What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #120 on: April 17, 2014, 11:58:36 AM »
Uh, yes, that's how science works... Somebody presents something and if you claim it to be a fake or a fraud, YOU'RE the one that has to prove that it's a fake or a fraud...

You're pretty new to this whole science thing, aren't you?  ::)

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« Reply #121 on: April 17, 2014, 11:58:52 AM »
Donkey and HeeHaw (How appropriate),
Those photos are taken from NASAs high tech telescopes HERE ON EARTH....in Antarctica because of the colder atmosphere. They can bullshit you all they want by saying the LRO orbited the moon.  They can say anything they want because no one can prove otherwise.  They control the industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

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« Reply #122 on: April 17, 2014, 12:12:00 PM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)

Wow, that is a terrible refutation.

First, yes, if you claim that the video and photographic evidence is doctored, you have to prove that. Those making the claim that they are genuine have already met the burden of proof.

-Five decades of rapid conspiracy theorist have not been able to show any evidence of doctoring (and any such claims have usually been made out of ignorance, such as "No stars!" "Too many shadows!" etc.)

-Photographs and video from organizations not associated with NASA observe similar things.

-Amateurs can perform experiments that confirm many lunar claims, even if they cannot get video/photographic evidence themselves.

So, to make your claim, you need to counteract those things.

With hard evidence mind you, and not baseless, unbacked incredulous statements.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #123 on: April 17, 2014, 12:22:44 PM »
Donkey and HeeHaw (How appropriate),
Those photos are taken from NASAs high tech telescopes HERE ON EARTH....in Antarctica because of the colder atmosphere. They can bullshit you all they want by saying the LRO orbited the moon.  They can say anything they want because no one can prove otherwise.  They control the industry.
Now you FE guys are going to get together and make sure your theories are consistence. Here are your words: " HERE ON EARTH....in Antarctica" Is it me but isn't Antarctica void of air and is -273 degrees and no one can go there or they will die.

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« Reply #124 on: April 17, 2014, 12:52:37 PM »
Uh, yes, that's how science works... Somebody presents something and if you claim it to be a fake or a fraud, YOU'RE the one that has to prove that it's a fake or a fraud...

You're pretty new to this whole science thing, aren't you?  ::)
No, you're wrong.  If that were the case, magic tricks would be real because no one has shown how they are REALLY done.  That's being naïve and that's what you are.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #125 on: April 17, 2014, 12:54:25 PM »
Uh, yes, that's how science works... Somebody presents something and if you claim it to be a fake or a fraud, YOU'RE the one that has to prove that it's a fake or a fraud...

You're pretty new to this whole science thing, aren't you?  ::)
No, you're wrong.  If that were the case, magic tricks would be real because no one has shown how they are REALLY done.  That's being naïve and that's what you are.

Um...magic isn't presented as real.

And people DO show how illusions are done. So, once again, you fail.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2014, 12:55:55 PM »
Uh, yes, that's how science works... Somebody presents something and if you claim it to be a fake or a fraud, YOU'RE the one that has to prove that it's a fake or a fraud...

You're pretty new to this whole science thing, aren't you?  ::)
No, you're wrong.  If that were the case, magic tricks would be real because no one has shown how they are REALLY done.  That's being naïve and that's what you are.

No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.

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« Reply #127 on: April 17, 2014, 12:57:03 PM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)

Wow, that is a terrible refutation.

First, yes, if you claim that the video and photographic evidence is doctored, you have to prove that. Those making the claim that they are genuine have already met the burden of proof.

-Five decades of rapid conspiracy theorist have not been able to show any evidence of doctoring (and any such claims have usually been made out of ignorance, such as "No stars!" "Too many shadows!" etc.)

-Photographs and video from organizations not associated with NASA observe similar things.

-Amateurs can perform experiments that confirm many lunar claims, even if they cannot get video/photographic evidence themselves.

So, to make your claim, you need to counteract those things.

With hard evidence mind you, and not baseless, unbacked incredulous statements.
Explain to me how the astronauts on the moon can have their solar shield up on their helmet.  I need hard evidence.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #128 on: April 17, 2014, 12:58:17 PM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)

Wow, that is a terrible refutation.

First, yes, if you claim that the video and photographic evidence is doctored, you have to prove that. Those making the claim that they are genuine have already met the burden of proof.

-Five decades of rapid conspiracy theorist have not been able to show any evidence of doctoring (and any such claims have usually been made out of ignorance, such as "No stars!" "Too many shadows!" etc.)

-Photographs and video from organizations not associated with NASA observe similar things.

-Amateurs can perform experiments that confirm many lunar claims, even if they cannot get video/photographic evidence themselves.

So, to make your claim, you need to counteract those things.

With hard evidence mind you, and not baseless, unbacked incredulous statements.
Explain to me how the astronauts on the moon can have their solar shield up on their helmet.  I need hard evidence.

Didn't you already have this explained to you?

And way to dodge my points.
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« Reply #129 on: April 17, 2014, 01:01:46 PM »
No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.
That's my point though.  How can I prove those pictures on the moon aren't real when only a few people have supposedly been there to see it?

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« Reply #130 on: April 17, 2014, 01:02:53 PM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)

Wow, that is a terrible refutation.

First, yes, if you claim that the video and photographic evidence is doctored, you have to prove that. Those making the claim that they are genuine have already met the burden of proof.

-Five decades of rapid conspiracy theorist have not been able to show any evidence of doctoring (and any such claims have usually been made out of ignorance, such as "No stars!" "Too many shadows!" etc.)

-Photographs and video from organizations not associated with NASA observe similar things.

-Amateurs can perform experiments that confirm many lunar claims, even if they cannot get video/photographic evidence themselves.

So, to make your claim, you need to counteract those things.

With hard evidence mind you, and not baseless, unbacked incredulous statements.
Explain to me how the astronauts on the moon can have their solar shield up on their helmet.  I need hard evidence.

Didn't you already have this explained to you?

And way to dodge my points.
No.  It was dodged by you all.

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« Reply #131 on: April 17, 2014, 01:06:32 PM »
No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.
That's my point though.  How can I prove those pictures on the moon aren't real when only a few people have supposedly been there to see it?

Well I admit it would be difficult to disprove. Especially when it all really did happen.

It's not impossible though. You can disprove that an individual committed a crime with good evidence. You can prove that the pictures were doctored.

Did you read the wikipedia post about third party evidence? Have you tried to do any of the things that can be done to prove that we actually have landed on the moon?

Here's the big question though. Since, you kind of just did admit that there is no hard evidence that we haven't been to the moon. Then why are you on a mission to disprove we have? Surely, you would need evidence to be so sure... and since you have none, what are you doing?

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« Reply #132 on: April 17, 2014, 01:07:21 PM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)

Wow, that is a terrible refutation.

First, yes, if you claim that the video and photographic evidence is doctored, you have to prove that. Those making the claim that they are genuine have already met the burden of proof.

-Five decades of rapid conspiracy theorist have not been able to show any evidence of doctoring (and any such claims have usually been made out of ignorance, such as "No stars!" "Too many shadows!" etc.)

-Photographs and video from organizations not associated with NASA observe similar things.

-Amateurs can perform experiments that confirm many lunar claims, even if they cannot get video/photographic evidence themselves.

So, to make your claim, you need to counteract those things.

With hard evidence mind you, and not baseless, unbacked incredulous statements.
Explain to me how the astronauts on the moon can have their solar shield up on their helmet.  I need hard evidence.

Didn't you already have this explained to you?

And way to dodge my points.
No.  It was dodged by you all.

I find that hard to believe, given that FE'ers never accept evidence.

And you continue to dance away from my points.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #133 on: April 17, 2014, 01:13:13 PM »
Uh, yes, that's how science works... Somebody presents something and if you claim it to be a fake or a fraud, YOU'RE the one that has to prove that it's a fake or a fraud...

You're pretty new to this whole science thing, aren't you?  ::)
No, you're wrong.  If that were the case, magic tricks would be real because no one has shown how they are REALLY done.  That's being naïve and that's what you are.

You have absolutely no freaking clue what you're talking about, do you? Nobody has shown how magic tricks are done? Really? You ever heard of Penn&Teller? You ever heard of James Randi? He offers 1m$ to anybody who can perform any sort of supernatural (magic) act in a controlled environment. So far nobody could.

You're REALLY new to this whole science thing, aren't you?

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« Reply #134 on: April 17, 2014, 01:15:19 PM »
No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.
That's my point though.  How can I prove those pictures on the moon aren't real when only a few people have supposedly been there to see it?

Well I admit it would be difficult to disprove. Especially when it all really did happen.

It's not impossible though. You can disprove that an individual committed a crime with good evidence. You can prove that the pictures were doctored.

Did you read the wikipedia post about third party evidence? Have you tried to do any of the things that can be done to prove that we actually have landed on the moon?

Here's the big question though. Since, you kind of just did admit that there is no hard evidence that we haven't been to the moon. Then why are you on a mission to disprove we have? Surely, you would need evidence to be so sure... and since you have none, what are you doing?
I have openly admitted to not having evidence.  Honestly, if I did have evidence, unfortunately, I would save it till my dying day and I think you know why.

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« Reply #135 on: April 17, 2014, 01:16:49 PM »
I find that hard to believe, given that FE'ers never accept evidence.

And you continue to dance away from my points.
Oh so you can dance but I can't?

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« Reply #136 on: April 17, 2014, 01:19:59 PM »
No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.
That's my point though.  How can I prove those pictures on the moon aren't real when only a few people have supposedly been there to see it?

Well I admit it would be difficult to disprove. Especially when it all really did happen.

It's not impossible though. You can disprove that an individual committed a crime with good evidence. You can prove that the pictures were doctored.

Did you read the wikipedia post about third party evidence? Have you tried to do any of the things that can be done to prove that we actually have landed on the moon?

Here's the big question though. Since, you kind of just did admit that there is no hard evidence that we haven't been to the moon. Then why are you on a mission to disprove we have? Surely, you would need evidence to be so sure... and since you have none, what are you doing?
I have openly admitted to not having evidence.  Honestly, if I did have evidence, unfortunately, I would save it till my dying day and I think you know why.

Something something Men in Black NASA goons something something

Please. If you had legit evidence, you show it ASAP. Evidence, if it a demonstrable, objective thing, cannot be ignored.

I have said it before, and I will say it again.

If there was one shred of an iota of evidence to suggest that there might be a different shape to the Earth than all of the other evidence that I have examined to confirm its shape, I would be the first person to investigate the aforementioned evidence, and if it led to the conclusion that the world was flat, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT.

And so would everyone else.

But no such evidence exists.
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« Reply #137 on: April 17, 2014, 01:20:44 PM »
No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.
That's my point though.  How can I prove those pictures on the moon aren't real when only a few people have supposedly been there to see it?

Well I admit it would be difficult to disprove. Especially when it all really did happen.

It's not impossible though. You can disprove that an individual committed a crime with good evidence. You can prove that the pictures were doctored.

Did you read the wikipedia post about third party evidence? Have you tried to do any of the things that can be done to prove that we actually have landed on the moon?

Here's the big question though. Since, you kind of just did admit that there is no hard evidence that we haven't been to the moon. Then why are you on a mission to disprove we have? Surely, you would need evidence to be so sure... and since you have none, what are you doing?
I have openly admitted to not having evidence.  Honestly, if I did have evidence, unfortunately, I would save it till my dying day and I think you know why.

Okay, but the point of my question is that since you don't have evidence, why do you think we haven't landed on the moon? Is it just too amazing for you to fathom? Is it too incredible? As far as I can tell, that's what your problem is.

And you know what, it is amazing. It is incredible. Mankind has done some amazing things.

Same with the earths shape. Is it too amazing, that something so large could be spinning through space? Is it too amazing that some force like gravity could hold everything on earth to it?

Just because something is amazing and hard to conceptualize, that doesn't make it fake. It is not mankind's job to judge and say, that can't be real. We just classify things to be real because for all intents and purposes, they appear to be.
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« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2014, 01:21:52 PM »
I find that hard to believe, given that FE'ers never accept evidence.

And you continue to dance away from my points.
Oh so you can dance but I can't?

Sure I can. But I'm not. I simply remember that this same conversation has happened before, WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP IN MY RESPONSE TO YOU. That is the opposite of dancing away.

And you STILL haven't countered any of my points.
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« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2014, 01:28:17 PM »
You have absolutely no freaking clue what you're talking about, do you? Nobody has shown how magic tricks are done? Really? You ever heard of Penn&Teller? You ever heard of James Randi? He offers 1m$ to anybody who can perform any sort of supernatural (magic) act in a controlled environment. So far nobody could.
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.

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« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2014, 01:34:17 PM »
You have absolutely no freaking clue what you're talking about, do you? Nobody has shown how magic tricks are done? Really? You ever heard of Penn&Teller? You ever heard of James Randi? He offers 1m$ to anybody who can perform any sort of supernatural (magic) act in a controlled environment. So far nobody could.
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.
No pictures of the Loch Ness Monster have been shown to be true.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #141 on: April 17, 2014, 01:41:37 PM »
You have absolutely no freaking clue what you're talking about, do you? Nobody has shown how magic tricks are done? Really? You ever heard of Penn&Teller? You ever heard of James Randi? He offers 1m$ to anybody who can perform any sort of supernatural (magic) act in a controlled environment. So far nobody could.
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.

Key word here.

Your knowledge doesn't reach too far, does it?

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« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2014, 01:44:52 PM »
Okay, but the point of my question is that since you don't have evidence, why do you think we haven't landed on the moon? Is it just too amazing for you to fathom? Is it too incredible? As far as I can tell, that's what your problem is.

And you know what, it is amazing. It is incredible. Mankind has done some amazing things.

Same with the earths shape. Is it too amazing, that something so large could be spinning through space? Is it too amazing that some force like gravity could hold everything on earth to it?

Just because something is amazing and hard to conceptualize, that doesn't make it fake. It is not mankind's job to judge and say, that can't be real. We just classify things to be real because for all intents and purposes, they appear to be.
Oh I definitely know humans are capable of amazing things.  I see it all the time with my own eyes.  And I see amazing things in nature.  But I have only seen a human on the moon through a tv or computer screen.  Just not enough to prove to me it's real.  That is all.

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« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2014, 02:02:30 PM »
You have absolutely no freaking clue what you're talking about, do you? Nobody has shown how magic tricks are done? Really? You ever heard of Penn&Teller? You ever heard of James Randi? He offers 1m$ to anybody who can perform any sort of supernatural (magic) act in a controlled environment. So far nobody could.
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.

And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.

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« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2014, 02:10:40 PM »
No because the thing that science presents is the evidence. Science makes a claim, supplied with evidence. You make a claim saying the evidence is fraudulent so now you have to back it up.
That's my point though.  How can I prove those pictures on the moon aren't real when only a few people have supposedly been there to see it?
You can't prove they are not real. Just because you say so is not proof.

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« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2014, 02:14:02 PM »
Donkey,
What you fail to understand is that they are the ones presenting the images to begin with.  Yet I am the one who has to prove they are fake?  You believe they are real even though you have never been there to verify it, none of your family have, none of your friends have.....only a group of people within a huge money making organization have.  That's logical alright.   ::)

Wow, that is a terrible refutation.

First, yes, if you claim that the video and photographic evidence is doctored, you have to prove that. Those making the claim that they are genuine have already met the burden of proof.

-Five decades of rapid conspiracy theorist have not been able to show any evidence of doctoring (and any such claims have usually been made out of ignorance, such as "No stars!" "Too many shadows!" etc.)

-Photographs and video from organizations not associated with NASA observe similar things.

-Amateurs can perform experiments that confirm many lunar claims, even if they cannot get video/photographic evidence themselves.

So, to make your claim, you need to counteract those things.

With hard evidence mind you, and not baseless, unbacked incredulous statements.
Explain to me how the astronauts on the moon can have their solar shield up on their helmet.  I need hard evidence.
I don't remember seeing any picture of an astronaut with the solar shied up. Show me a picture.

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« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2014, 02:24:38 PM »
Okay, but the point of my question is that since you don't have evidence, why do you think we haven't landed on the moon? Is it just too amazing for you to fathom? Is it too incredible? As far as I can tell, that's what your problem is.

And you know what, it is amazing. It is incredible. Mankind has done some amazing things.

Same with the earths shape. Is it too amazing, that something so large could be spinning through space? Is it too amazing that some force like gravity could hold everything on earth to it?

Just because something is amazing and hard to conceptualize, that doesn't make it fake. It is not mankind's job to judge and say, that can't be real. We just classify things to be real because for all intents and purposes, they appear to be.
Oh I definitely know humans are capable of amazing things.  I see it all the time with my own eyes.  And I see amazing things in nature.  But I have only seen a human on the moon through a tv or computer screen.  Just not enough to prove to me it's real.  That is all.
Would it be fair to say you only believe what you see. All the things that has happened never happened because you were not there. Did the second world II happen. You were not there. You sure live in a small world flat or not.

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« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2014, 03:11:18 PM »
Would it be fair to say you only believe what you see. All the things that has happened never happened because you were not there. Did the second world II happen. You were not there. You sure live in a small world flat or not.
I'm not talking about JUST myself. Many others have seen most things that people claim to see.  No one outside of those few men have seen/been ON THE MOON.  So the percentage is drastically different.

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« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2014, 03:17:49 PM »
Would it be fair to say you only believe what you see. All the things that has happened never happened because you were not there. Did the second world II happen. You were not there. You sure live in a small world flat or not.
I'm not talking about JUST myself. Many others have seen most things that people claim to see.  No one outside of those few men have seen/been ON THE MOON.  So the percentage is drastically different.
The many responsible for them getting there know they have been.

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« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2014, 03:28:27 PM »
Really, this line of discussion isn't helping anything; we're not here to debate the the veracity of the Apollo moon missions or FE hypothesis in general, we're here to talk about photographic evidence that demonstrates the spherical nature of earth and to get FE supporters' opinions about why they see these photos as credible or not.

EarthIsASpaceship: I'd really like to hear your thoughts on my previous post addressed to you. I'd also like to hear the thoughts of any other FE supporter.
Thank you Theo.  It's refreshing to actually engage in a discussion without personal attacks and other people piping in with off topic comments.  As far as the terrain in the moon images from the LRO compared to the terrain of Earth, you were correct with your first assessment of what I meant.  I do not mean the trees, rivers, contrast, etc.  I meant the images of craters and shadows that we normally see on the moon from Earth.

EarthIsASpaceship: Agreed, personal attacks don't serve anyone's interests when it comes to having a real discussion!

When it comes to moon terrain, I hope you didn't think I was accusing you of expecting to see trees and rivers etc. on the moon. I was trying to illustrate why the moon terrain might seen unnatural to you, we are all used to seeing earth terrain with its highly varied and robust landscapes that are mostly the result of living things here on earth, but the moon doesn't have anything like that since it is lifeless, so it seems alien to us, you might not expect such an unusual looking landscape.
...but, since that wasting the issue, I guess I'll leave it at that.  :)

Back to your original point: why don't we see more detail of the moon's terrain in the pictures I posted from JAXA's lunar satellite? The answer to this is all about perception.

Just so I know we are on the same page here, you and I both acknowledge that the moon is a very large object that has a diameter of several thousand km, right? Even if you don't accept that the moon is that large, it's clear that the lunar satellite that took these pictures had to be at least a thousand times closer to the moon than us on earth since at the distance the photos were taken you can hardly make out the curvature of the moon's horizon at all.

So, given that the lunar satellite is so much closer to the surface of the the moon than we are, it would mean that any major features of the moon that you can see from earth (large creators, maria beds) would be so large from the perspective of the satellite that you wouldn't be able to see even a fraction of these objects - those creators that you can see from earth would look like mountains from the satellite's perspective.

A good analogy is this: if you were flying over the Appalachian mountains on the east coast of the US, you would see many rolling mountains with long valleys in between and plenty of other major features, but if you were climbing up those mountains on foot, you wouldn't be able to see these large scale features, you can only see the fine details like the trees and the rocks.

Another example of this same perspective issue: if you look at your hand, say one of your knuckles, you'll see a lot of features, cracks and wrinkles, maybe some patchy skin color, and so on. But if you magnified that same area of skin by a factor of 1000 (it doesn't matter if the focus is on one of the wrinkles or cracks or other major features), what you will see is only part of a single calcified cell of your epidermis, there would be very little detail and you wouldn't even come close to being able to discern a crack or wrinkle in your skin.
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
Claude Bernard, 1865