What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2014, 06:08:10 AM »
Search this thing called "Red Bull Stratos".

Can you find a Red Bull Stratos image that does not use a fish eye lens?
One thing at a time. The videos are real right?

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« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2014, 06:09:12 AM »
Search this thing called "Red Bull Stratos".

Can you find a Red Bull Stratos image that does not use a fish eye lens?

But why focus on these types of non-orbital or very low orbit photos when we have images from much higher altitude that are able to capture the entire earth in one photo, making the use of any fish eye lenses irrelevant.
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« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2014, 06:13:52 AM »
Search this thing called "Red Bull Stratos".

Can you find a Red Bull Stratos image that does not use a fish eye lens?

But why focus on these types of non-orbital or very low orbit photos when we have images from much higher altitude that are able to capture the entire earth in one photo, making the use of any fish eye lenses irrelevant.

Jroa would rather take the conversation back down to his comfort zone where he can just use arguments from incredulity and ignorance.

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« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2014, 06:31:54 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But why is it that you don't find these images convincing? As I said before, images like these have been captured decades before computers were powerful enough to simulate such images. Why doubt the authenticity of these photos when the only other possibility is that a multinational conspiracy involving at least tens of thousands of people is responsible for constructing fraudulent images of earth to perpetuate the idea that earth is not flat, keeping  in mind that no whistle power has ever come forward about being in volvox int he conspiracy, particularly one as large as this one.
Earthrise from the moon looks even more fake than what they put out today.

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« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2014, 06:34:31 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But why is it that you don't find these images convincing? As I said before, images like these have been captured decades before computers were powerful enough to simulate such images. Why doubt the authenticity of these photos when the only other possibility is that a multinational conspiracy involving at least tens of thousands of people is responsible for constructing fraudulent images of earth to perpetuate the idea that earth is not flat, keeping  in mind that no whistle power has ever come forward about being in volvox int he conspiracy, particularly one as large as this one.
Earthrise from the moon looks even more fake than what they put out today.
What is they put out today?

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« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2014, 06:49:36 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But why is it that you don't find these images convincing? As I said before, images like these have been captured decades before computers were powerful enough to simulate such images. Why doubt the authenticity of these photos when the only other possibility is that a multinational conspiracy involving at least tens of thousands of people is responsible for constructing fraudulent images of earth to perpetuate the idea that earth is not flat, keeping  in mind that no whistle power has ever come forward about being in volvox int he conspiracy, particularly one as large as this one.
Earthrise from the moon looks even more fake than what they put out today.

EarthIsASpaceship: But what is it about these images do you think look fraudulent? Could you give me an example of a lunar earth-rise image or image of earth from high orbit that has been demonstrably shown to be a fake?
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
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« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2014, 06:54:19 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But why is it that you don't find these images convincing? As I said before, images like these have been captured decades before computers were powerful enough to simulate such images. Why doubt the authenticity of these photos when the only other possibility is that a multinational conspiracy involving at least tens of thousands of people is responsible for constructing fraudulent images of earth to perpetuate the idea that earth is not flat, keeping  in mind that no whistle power has ever come forward about being in volvox int he conspiracy, particularly one as large as this one.
Earthrise from the moon looks even more fake than what they put out today.

Because you've been to the moon soooooo many times to know it's fake, right?  ::)

The earth's angular size from the moon is ~1.895 degrees on average. That means that you would see the earth from the moon as big as you would see a disk with a diameter of 3.3077m at a distance of 100m.
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« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2014, 07:11:01 AM »
Earthrise from the moon looks even more fake than what they put out today.
What is they put out today?
The Earth from the ISS

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« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2014, 07:14:11 AM »
So you believe there's no ISS either? xD

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« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2014, 07:15:27 AM »
Earthrise from the moon looks even more fake than what they put out today.
What is they put out today?
The Earth from the ISS
Why are the latest pictures fake?

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« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2014, 07:20:18 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But what is it about these images do you think look fraudulent? Could you give me an example of a lunar earth-rise image or image of earth from high orbit that has been demonstrably shown to be a fake?
The moon surface for one.  I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.

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« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2014, 07:24:59 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But what is it about these images do you think look fraudulent? Could you give me an example of a lunar earth-rise image or image of earth from high orbit that has been demonstrably shown to be a fake?
The moon surface for one.  I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.
What reason would there be for the cost and effort of producing fake images?

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2014, 07:26:42 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But what is it about these images do you think look fraudulent? Could you give me an example of a lunar earth-rise image or image of earth from high orbit that has been demonstrably shown to be a fake?
The moon surface for one.  I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.
You can only see so much of the moon even with the best telescope. The picture was taken from the moon. Of course you will see more details.

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« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2014, 07:34:29 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: But what is it about these images do you think look fraudulent? Could you give me an example of a lunar earth-rise image or image of earth from high orbit that has been demonstrably shown to be a fake?
The moon surface for one.  I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.

EarthIsASpaceship: I'm not sure what you mean by "I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth" - from earth, even with the most powerful telescopes available to an amateur astronomer, you wouldn't be able to discern any of the small dunes and creators on the moon's surface (as seen in the JAXA pictures I posted).

While the moon's surface may seem unrealistic to you (having only ever seen earth landscapes up close), the geology of the moon and its surface appearance are consistent with the predicted properties of the moon, predictions made well before we sent any probes to the moon. The regolith that makes up much of the moon's surface is unlike any soil or sandy material that naturally forms on earth, so that might be giving you the feeling that the surface seems too monotone and regular.
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
Claude Bernard, 1865

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #74 on: April 17, 2014, 07:53:13 AM »
Starman,
The moon surface for one. I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.

Theo,
Look at those Earthrise photos and videos....the moon looks like a sea of gray....no detail.
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« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2014, 07:57:54 AM »
Starman,
The moon surface for one. I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.

And that, my friends, is what a lie looks like.

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« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2014, 08:01:52 AM »
Starman,
The moon surface for one. I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.

Theo,
Look at those Earthrise photos and videos....the moon looks like a sea of gray....no detail.
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?


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« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2014, 08:05:28 AM »
Yeah, ok Donkey. 
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Great video but that is straight on. Was it all grey like you did not expect?

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2014, 08:08:29 AM »
Did you notice the moon is always drifting to the left? Do you know why?

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« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2014, 08:11:32 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!

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« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2014, 08:13:38 AM »
Starman,
The moon surface for one. I see more detail looking at it from here on Earth.  Basically, the unrealistic nature of the entire imagery.

Theo,
Look at those Earthrise photos and videos....the moon looks like a sea of gray....no detail.

EarthIsASpaceship: Yes, the surface of the moon in the pictures I posted does look like a sea of gray of great regularity. However, this image is taken from low lunar orbit, the moon is several orders of magnitude closer to the JAXA satilite than you or I are here on earth. Just like looking at a grassy pasture close up you'll see it as a sea of green, but if you were viewing from far away, like flying over the pasture in an plane at 30,000 feet, you'll see a great deal more than just that one green pasture, you'll be able to see the great diversity of the region around it, rivers, lake beds, hills, forests, etc. Would you agree with this analogy for why the moon would look like a sea do grey up close?
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Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
Claude Bernard, 1865

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« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2014, 08:13:59 AM »
Did you notice the moon is always drifting to the left? Do you know why?
Yes, I do.  It drifts to the right in the Southern hemi.  Do you know why?  I mean left in the S, right in the N.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2014, 08:14:59 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!

No. We don't. We see a larger view of the entire moon, but not more detail of the surface.

Either you are using a different word than you intended, or you are intentionally lying.
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« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2014, 08:15:46 AM »
Because the moon does not have a blue sky, water, trees, swamps and all sort of things like that. What do you expect to see?
I expect to see detail!  Sharp imagery.  I'm telling you, we see sharper imagery of the moon FROM HERE ON EARTH than a lunar orbiter!
There are lots of images from the lunar orbiter do you want some? Do you know why the video of the moon is moving to the left? I thought you did not believe the lunar orbiter exist?

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« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2014, 08:18:03 AM »
Did you notice the moon is always drifting to the left? Do you know why?
Yes, I do.  It drifts to the right in the Southern hemi.  Do you know why?

Because the earth is round!

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« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2014, 08:21:17 AM »
EarthIsASpaceship: Yes, the surface of the moon in the pictures I posted does look like a sea of gray of great regularity. However, this image is taken from low lunar orbit, the moon is several orders of magnitude closer to the JAXA satilite than you or I are here on earth. Just like looking at a grassy pasture close up you'll see it as a sea of green, but if you were viewing from far away, like flying over the pasture in an plane at 30,000 feet, you'll see a great deal more than just that one green pasture, you'll be able to see the great diversity of the region around it, rivers, lake beds, hills, forests, etc. Would you agree with this analogy for why the moon would look like a sea do grey up close?
No.  I expect to see something like this:
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2014, 08:22:39 AM »
Yeah, ok Donkey. 
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And you call that more detail than images from the satellites or NASA telescopes?

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« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2014, 08:25:49 AM »
Donkey, stick with the topic!  Telescopes on EARTH vs. THE LUNAR ORBITER.

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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2014, 08:27:28 AM »
Did you notice the moon is always drifting to the left? Do you know why?
Yes, I do.  It drifts to the right in the Southern hemi.  Do you know why?
The telescope does not have computer control to correct for the earth rotation. You just have proved the earth is round.