What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2014, 03:01:44 AM »
The tail fin is half drowned out by the haze. Plus, what is the streak of light to the right of the model shuttle?

No it's not. Because it's white, it appears that way. If you look closely, you'll see that the "haze" is at the back of the fin. It doesn't have anything in front.

And the light, as I told earlier, is what happens when photos are made in a stronger light. Thus, I posted the sun picture, where you can see lines of light stretching from the sun.
You need to get a grip on your space and so does NASA and all the rest. If they're going to put out stupid pictures of models in darkness on Earth, at least try to do it in such a fashion as to actually make people think it is in space.
Look at how well lit up the model cargo by is. Go in someones unconverted loft space and shine your light in there and see what a mess it is and that's in an atmosphere. Space has none of that, as we re told and yet look at that bay all lit up.
The whole set up is a crock of tish.
By rights, only drugged people should ever be made to believe that this is a shuttle in space for crying out loud.

There's a huge light bulb there, in case you missed it...

And light can travel through space just about the same as through air, you know...
Yes, of course it can.  ::)
A big light bulb, for crying out loud. There's simply no hope for some people. No hope at all.

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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2014, 03:02:59 AM »
Yes, of course it can.  ::)
A big light bulb, for crying out loud. There's simply no hope for some people. No hope at all.

So you're saying that light can't travel through space?

Yes, true. Some people are truly hopeless...

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2014, 04:16:49 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2014, 05:02:14 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I said that, if you wanted  an answer to your question, to put it in AR. You knew this and you failed to do it, so don't bother coming back to me on this in any other part of the forum.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2014, 05:08:01 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I said that, if you wanted  an answer to your question, to put it in AR. You knew this and you failed to do it, so don't bother coming back to me on this in any other part of the forum.
It is not an AR topic. It has to do with creditability with pictures and video of FE.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2014, 05:12:17 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I said that, if you wanted  an answer to your question, to put it in AR. You knew this and you failed to do it, so don't bother coming back to me on this in any other part of the forum.
It is not an AR topic. It has to do with creditability with pictures and video of FE.
Believe me, when I answer you, it will be an AR topic, which is the very reason I asked you to put it in there.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2014, 05:15:04 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I said that, if you wanted  an answer to your question, to put it in AR. You knew this and you failed to do it, so don't bother coming back to me on this in any other part of the forum.
It is not an AR topic. It has to do with creditability with pictures and video of FE.
Believe me, when I answer you, it will be an AR topic, which is the very reason I asked you to put it in there.
What seem to be the problem with the question and why to the AR section? Does your opinion change in different sections?

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2014, 05:20:03 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I said that, if you wanted  an answer to your question, to put it in AR. You knew this and you failed to do it, so don't bother coming back to me on this in any other part of the forum.
It is not an AR topic. It has to do with creditability with pictures and video of FE.
Believe me, when I answer you, it will be an AR topic, which is the very reason I asked you to put it in there.
What seem to be the problem with the question and why to the AR section? Does your opinion change in different sections?
I'll tell you all about it in AR. As for answering on it in any other place, it's not happening. Consider this my last words on it. From this point on I will ignore any post where you ask this question, except in AR. Take heed. No need to respond to this.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2014, 05:22:47 AM »
We are slightly off subject. Scepti you mentioned to me if I started a topic you would answer my question: "did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I said that, if you wanted  an answer to your question, to put it in AR. You knew this and you failed to do it, so don't bother coming back to me on this in any other part of the forum.
It is not an AR topic. It has to do with creditability with pictures and video of FE.
Believe me, when I answer you, it will be an AR topic, which is the very reason I asked you to put it in there.
What seem to be the problem with the question and why to the AR section? Does your opinion change in different sections?
I'll tell you all about it in AR. As for answering on it in any other place, it's not happening. Consider this my last words on it. From this point on I will ignore any post where you ask this question, except in AR. Take heed. No need to respond to this.
Well i have nothing to loose. I will post it there.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2014, 06:27:42 AM »
It's more than apparent—judging by sceptimatic's confused attempts at debunking the NASA photographic images, that he has very little understanding of the technicalities of digital photography (or in some cases film photography).  He also fails to comprehend the ongoing issues caused by lens flare, ghosting, and aberration.

As an example, when a lens is directed at a strong light source, a whitish flare is produced.  When non-incident light reflects off the lens surfaces (especially internal elements) and the mirror frame, ghosting often occurs. Additionally, the lens' spherical front surface causes some degree of image distortion and contains irregularities that cause problems such as chromatic aberration, or color bleeding.

Also, when a lens is directed at a strong source point of light (like the sun in space), unneeded rays of light reflected from the lens surface, the aperture blades, or the camera mirror's frame can have a "blanketing" effect on the lens, and which causes  all or part of the image to turn whitish, and sharpness is lost.  This is exactly what's happening with the apparent white haze appearing to spill over the opposite side of the shuttle's tail.

Another effect is known as coma, which is a refractive problem that occurs in off-axis point light sources causing image aberrations.  Due to the difference in refraction near the edges of a spherical lens element, or at the edge of the aperture blades, off-axis point sources of light may appear stretched and "haloed" at the focal plane. This results in improper convergence of light rather than convergence into a single focal point.  Coma is generally a combination of both spherical aberration of a point light source and chromatic aberration to produce an effect that looks like a comet.  It's also a problem that largely affects astrophotography, as isolated point light sources are most common in those scenarios.

Modern high-end technical lenses usually include an aspherical lens element which cause less refraction at the edges and more in the centre, resulting in proper convergence over a given focal length.

Possibly the most commonly caused aberration is lens flare, which is severe in the posted image of the sun.  Flare occurs when non-incident light enters the lens and reflects off of the various internal lens elements or diaphragm. The effect, when strong enough, can create bright spots and streaks, and may also have a detrimental effect on contrast where it occurs.  Flare is can also be caused by a very bright near off-scene light source, such as the sun, or a bright rearwards light illuminating the overall scene.

Without understanding the complexities of all these shortcomings in photography, it's very difficult to simply dismiss NASA images posted here as bogus or Photoshopped.  It would also seem logical that if NASA were manipulating their images, they'd be taking a lot more care to delete any all-too-obvious giveaways.

And the flat earthers still haven't posted any of their images for the round earthers to examine.  Again, why is this?  Why are they so coy about showing us even just a couple of images?  Shouldn't be all that difficult if—according to them—the earth is truly flat.

C'mon flat earthers.  Put your money (or your images) where your mouths are!
 


Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2014, 06:01:57 AM »
This topic's been dead for a few weeks and I'd like to revive it and bring it back to the OP.

While there might be a plethora of images demonstrating the spherical nature of earth, it seems that most of these images do not meet certain criteria for many FE supporters or are seen as fraudulent and hoaxes. In most cases, a small perceived aberration in a photo is enough to dismiss the photo as fraudulent (see the earlier discussion regarding the haziness artifact in the 2002 shuttle photo). But there should still exist at least a small group of pictures that exhibit no apparent aberrations that should be very convincing for FE supporters (except for those that believe in a multinational RE conspiracy).

>>>So, for those FE that don't subscribe to the idea of a global RE conspiracy, are there any pictures of earth from earth or lunar orbit that you see as 100% credible? If so, I'd like to know what you think of these pictures and how they impact your beliefs in FE.

>>>For RE supporters, I'd love to see your idea of pictures of earth that you think should meet the criteria of FE supporters as credible evidence of a spherical earth (meaning no apparent aberrations, perfect images of earth).

I recently posted some photos of earth from JAXA's Kaguya lunar satellite on another thread (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=61250.280), and I'd like to get some feedback on these.

Below are 1080p HD images of an "earth-rise" from lunar orbit as captured by Kaguya's HDTV camera:
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/image/communication/img_071114_02.jpg



http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/img/20080411_kaguya_01l.jpg


TIME LAPSE & CROPPED TO FIT 1080p
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/10/img/20081009_kaguya_02l.jpg
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2014, 06:46:12 AM »
Here's your proof of a flat Earth. Have a panoramic view of it all and even scroll the horizon to the top and see it's straight. Here's your proof, now stop saying no evidence has been given.

http://www.360cities.net/image/view-from-castello-castelsardo-sardinia#78.73,-19.03,110.0

And how do you think you'll see the 20cm/km curvature on a panorama view from very close to the ground? Of course it appears flat.

And it's a panorama view. The sides are stretched.

The only way to properly see Earth's curvature is from a very high altitude, not from sea level.

Like in this photo:


Taken from the Space Shuttle Endeavour in 2002. They were on the dark side of Earth. You can even see the moon in the distance.

I dunno, he has a point...I'm pretty sure that this 1 panoramic photo disproves scientific evidence, knowledge and fact...

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2014, 06:58:52 AM »
Here's your proof of a flat Earth. Have a panoramic view of it all and even scroll the horizon to the top and see it's straight. Here's your proof, now stop saying no evidence has been given.

http://www.360cities.net/image/view-from-castello-castelsardo-sardinia#78.73,-19.03,110.0

And how do you think you'll see the 20cm/km curvature on a panorama view from very close to the ground? Of course it appears flat.

And it's a panorama view. The sides are stretched.

The only way to properly see Earth's curvature is from a very high altitude, not from sea level.

Like in this photo:


Taken from the Space Shuttle Endeavour in 2002. They were on the dark side of Earth. You can even see the moon in the distance.

I dunno, he has a point...I'm pretty sure that this 1 panoramic photo disproves scientific evidence, knowledge and fact...

The panorama posted by sceptimatic wouldn't qualify here, it's simply a panoramic photo of a city and not a picture of earth from orbit or lunar orbit. I know sceptimatic asserts that the panorama is proof of a FE, but this is outlandish and I suspect sceptimatic is a troll, so his post really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Anyone else have thoughts on the pictures I posted or have responses to the questions I posted above?
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2014, 02:15:57 PM »

The panorama posted by sceptimatic wouldn't qualify here, it's simply a panoramic photo of a city and not a picture of earth from orbit or lunar orbit. I know sceptimatic asserts that the panorama is proof of a FE, but this is outlandish and I suspect sceptimatic is a troll, so his post really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Whether or not sceptimatic is a troll is now considered immaterial by most folks on this forum.  His unscientific, irrational and/or frivolous responses are those of a troll, and ignored by the great majority of members—both round earthers and flat earthers.  Try searching "denpressure" as an example of what I mean LOL.

And although (as a round earther) I accept the veracity of your posted images, you'll inevitably encounter a hard-core set of flat earth disbelievers who'll simply dismiss them out of hand—but for no demonstrable reason(s).

You'll also notice that there is not one single image posted in support of the flat earth theory.  The best the flat earthers can do is to snipe away repeatedly at the dozens of images the round earthers post here.  Which is quite pointless really.
 
Great images BTW.   :)

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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2014, 02:34:30 PM »

The panorama posted by sceptimatic wouldn't qualify here, it's simply a panoramic photo of a city and not a picture of earth from orbit or lunar orbit. I know sceptimatic asserts that the panorama is proof of a FE, but this is outlandish and I suspect sceptimatic is a troll, so his post really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Whether or not sceptimatic is a troll is now considered immaterial by most folks on this forum.  His unscientific, irrational and/or frivolous responses are those of a troll, and ignored by the great majority of members—both round earthers and flat earthers.  Try searching "denpressure" as an example of what I mean LOL.

And although (as a round earther) I accept the veracity of your posted images, you'll inevitably encounter a hard-core set of flat earth disbelievers who'll simply dismiss them out of hand—but for no demonstrable reason(s).

You'll also notice that there is not one single image posted in support of the flat earth theory.  The best the flat earthers can do is to snipe away repeatedly at the dozens of images the round earthers post here.  Which is quite pointless really.
 
Great images BTW.   :)

ausGeoff: I now exactly what you mean about sceptimatic, I've been reading though a lot of topics and his posts tend to be completely unhelpful - and if he isn't a troll, then he must certainly be suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and possibly paranoid delusions, in which case, I truly hope he gets help.

My general interest is directed towards non-sceptimatic-type FE supporters and their impressions of fully validated and aberration-free photographic evidence of a spherical earth like the images I posted.
Thanks about the pictures - they weren't hard to find so long as you have a least a general knowledge of current and recent lunar missions or access to Google.  :)
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2014, 02:54:43 PM »

My general interest is directed towards non-sceptimatic-type FE supporters and their impressions of fully validated and aberration-free photographic evidence of a spherical earth like the images I posted.

The main—and mind-numbingly repetitious—fall-back of the flat earthers is that every apparently unretouched image posted by the round earthers was taken with a super-wide angle lens.

Barrel distortion can of course curve the straight portions rectilinear images, but no flat earther has yet explained how it can be that the earth's horizon, viewed from a space vehicle's camera, still appears to be curved even when it's located at the horizontal optical axis of the lens (where zero barrel distortion occurs).

It seems that none of the flat earthers here have much experience with camera lenses and their peculiarities—or lack thereof.  I couldn't even get them to acknowledge—for example—that a full-frame (36mm x 24mm) sensor with a 55mm focal length lens approximated the vision characteristics of the human eye.  Or that if I posted an image taken with such a lens, it was an accurate representation of what I actually saw with my own eyes.  When confronted with facts such as that, most flat earthers will simply go into denial mode; either one is lying, or is delusional.

So I'm not holding out much hope for you getting any meaningful flat earth responses to the little task you've set them.   :(
 

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2014, 03:00:46 PM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2014, 03:52:49 PM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.

The problem with your assessment of the images is that it's a subjective assessment - what looks like a computer generated image to one person may look real to another, and the discussion ends there.

However, if your hypothesis is that these are indeed fraudulent computer generated images, then comprehensive analysis of the pictures' structure can be performed to search for polygonal artifacts in generating 3D images, identifying fractal artifacts that occur in CG natural landscapes, and analyzing the RAW-to-bitmap artifacts that occur when converting a captured image from a camera to a format that can be displayed on an LCD screen or printed on paper. Dismissing these photos, all of which come from a separate country's space program, as simply CGI frauds is doing a disservice to anyone truly trying to understand the nature of our universe.

Do you have any examples of investigation conducted in the past that used these rigorous analyses to show that a purported image of a spherical earth was indeed a CGI fraud?

Please keep in mind that we have been gathering photos such as the ones I posted for decades, long before computer imaging was capable of pulling off a convincing hoax.

UPDATE: Here's an example of the type of analysis that can be done on a photo that will detect artifacts of processing RAW images (the image data that comes directly from a camera's CCD or other imaging device like CMOS): http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/sony-craw-arw2-posterization-detection
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Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2014, 04:06:34 PM »

UPDATE: Here's an example of the type of analysis that can be done on a photo that will detect artifacts of processing RAW images (the image data that comes directly from a camera's CCD or other imaging device like CMOS): http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/sony-craw-arw2-posterization-detection
To my knowledge that has never been done on these images.  I would be interested in seeing the results.
"Please keep in mind that we have been gathering photos such as the ones I posted for decades, long before computer imaging was capable of pulling off a convincing hoax."

Precisely why I believe the Earth was not in any of the images of the astronauts on the moon....because that would've been too difficult to superimpose back then.

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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2014, 04:20:59 PM »

UPDATE: Here's an example of the type of analysis that can be done on a photo that will detect artifacts of processing RAW images (the image data that comes directly from a camera's CCD or other imaging device like CMOS): http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/sony-craw-arw2-posterization-detection
To my knowledge that has never been done on these images.  I would be interested in seeing the results.
"Please keep in mind that we have been gathering photos such as the ones I posted for decades, long before computer imaging was capable of pulling off a convincing hoax."

Precisely why I believe the Earth was not in any of the images of the astronauts on the moon....because that would've been too difficult to superimpose back then.

I'm trying to dig up some old Photoshop extensions I used years ago to detect image fraud in bio-medical publications I was working on, they might be helpful in illustrating the various quantitative analyses that can performed on these images.

I'd also like to address your comment on earth pictures from the Apollo missions. I haven't taken a look yet for pictures of the astronauts with earth in the background, but there have been many published Apollo images of earth from the moon ("earth-rise" pictures like the ones I posted above from a recent moon mission), and the Apollo images were captured in an era where most computer-generated images were still vector-based and has no photo-realism whatsoever (think of the classic arcade game Asteroids as an example), and the Apollo era was at least 30 years away from hardware capable of running digital rendering software need to construct convincing fake photographs.
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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2014, 04:32:27 PM »

The panorama posted by sceptimatic wouldn't qualify here, it's simply a panoramic photo of a city and not a picture of earth from orbit or lunar orbit. I know sceptimatic asserts that the panorama is proof of a FE, but this is outlandish and I suspect sceptimatic is a troll, so his post really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Whether or not sceptimatic is a troll is now considered immaterial by most folks on this forum.  His unscientific, irrational and/or frivolous responses are those of a troll, and ignored by the great majority of members—both round earthers and flat earthers.  Try searching "denpressure" as an example of what I mean LOL.



And although (as a round earther) I accept the veracity of your posted images, you'll inevitably encounter a hard-core set of flat earth disbelievers who'll simply dismiss them out of hand—but for no demonstrable reason(s).

You'll also notice that there is not one single image posted in support of the flat earth theory.  The best the flat earthers can do is to snipe away repeatedly at the dozens of images the round earthers post here.  Which is quite pointless really.
 
Great images BTW.   :)


It's amazing that you have to call yourself a round earther. That's something that shouldn't even be brought into question...

Maybe they'd like to de-bunk other myths aswell. I hear this whole converting oxygen into carbon dioxide is a sham!

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2014, 05:09:17 PM »

The panorama posted by sceptimatic wouldn't qualify here, it's simply a panoramic photo of a city and not a picture of earth from orbit or lunar orbit. I know sceptimatic asserts that the panorama is proof of a FE, but this is outlandish and I suspect sceptimatic is a troll, so his post really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Whether or not sceptimatic is a troll is now considered immaterial by most folks on this forum.  His unscientific, irrational and/or frivolous responses are those of a troll, and ignored by the great majority of members—both round earthers and flat earthers.  Try searching "denpressure" as an example of what I mean LOL.



And although (as a round earther) I accept the veracity of your posted images, you'll inevitably encounter a hard-core set of flat earth disbelievers who'll simply dismiss them out of hand—but for no demonstrable reason(s).

You'll also notice that there is not one single image posted in support of the flat earth theory.  The best the flat earthers can do is to snipe away repeatedly at the dozens of images the round earthers post here.  Which is quite pointless really.
 
Great images BTW.   :)


It's amazing that you have to call yourself a round earther. That's something that shouldn't even be brought into question...

Maybe they'd like to de-bunk other myths aswell. I hear this whole converting oxygen into carbon dioxide is a sham!

You joke, but Scepti does question that...
"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing."

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2014, 05:31:42 PM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.
All photos look like CGI to you. Show us a real photo that is not CGI.




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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2014, 05:40:50 PM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.
All photos look like CGI to you. Show us a real photo that is not CGI.

Well they tried communism in Russia...Didn't work out unfortunately

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2014, 11:49:41 PM »
The tail fin is half drowned out by the haze. Plus, what is the streak of light to the right of the model shuttle?

No it's not. Because it's white, it appears that way. If you look closely, you'll see that the "haze" is at the back of the fin. It doesn't have anything in front.

And the light, as I told earlier, is what happens when photos are made in a stronger light. Thus, I posted the sun picture, where you can see lines of light stretching from the sun.
You need to get a grip on your space and so does NASA and all the rest. If they're going to put out stupid pictures of models in darkness on Earth, at least try to do it in such a fashion as to actually make people think it is in space.
Look at how well lit up the model cargo by is. Go in someones unconverted loft space and shine your light in there and see what a mess it is and that's in an atmosphere. Space has none of that, as we re told and yet look at that bay all lit up.
The whole set up is a crock of tish.
By rights, only drugged people should ever be made to believe that this is a shuttle in space for crying out loud.

The sheer idiocy of this post gave me cancer... again...

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« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2014, 02:23:32 AM »
The tail fin is half drowned out by the haze. Plus, what is the streak of light to the right of the model shuttle?

No it's not. Because it's white, it appears that way. If you look closely, you'll see that the "haze" is at the back of the fin. It doesn't have anything in front.

And the light, as I told earlier, is what happens when photos are made in a stronger light. Thus, I posted the sun picture, where you can see lines of light stretching from the sun.
You need to get a grip on your space and so does NASA and all the rest. If they're going to put out stupid pictures of models in darkness on Earth, at least try to do it in such a fashion as to actually make people think it is in space.
Look at how well lit up the model cargo by is. Go in someones unconverted loft space and shine your light in there and see what a mess it is and that's in an atmosphere. Space has none of that, as we re told and yet look at that bay all lit up.
The whole set up is a crock of tish.
By rights, only drugged people should ever be made to believe that this is a shuttle in space for crying out loud.

The sheer idiocy of this post gave me cancer... again...

Yes, that was a very unproductive thread; this type of trolling by sceptimatic is why I think his posts should be ignored in this discussion. For the non-sceptimatic type FE supporters, what do you think of the earth-rise pictures posted above?
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
Claude Bernard, 1865

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2014, 05:31:40 AM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.
All photos look like CGI to you. Show us a real photo that is not CGI.
I could show you many that I took, or my family and friends took and I know they are not CGI.  I could show you photos in a book or magazine that I know are not CGI because they're of things/places I've actually seen and know exist.  But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  And I don't find their photographic evidence convincing.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2014, 05:33:53 AM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.
All photos look like CGI to you. Show us a real photo that is not CGI.
I could show you many that I took, or my family and friends took and I know they are not CGI.  I could show you photos in a book or magazine that I know are not CGI because they're of things/places I've actually seen and know exist.  But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  And I don't find their photographic evidence convincing.

Search this thing called "Red Bull Stratos".

Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2014, 06:00:32 AM »
I'm not convinced.  Those photos look like CGI.  Some of us are just not as easily convinced as most.  It would be great if we lived a moneyless, equal and honest world but we don't.  That's reality.
All photos look like CGI to you. Show us a real photo that is not CGI.
I could show you many that I took, or my family and friends took and I know they are not CGI.  I could show you photos in a book or magazine that I know are not CGI because they're of things/places I've actually seen and know exist.  But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  And I don't find their photographic evidence convincing.

EarthIsASpaceship: But why is it that you don't find these images convincing? As I said before, images like these have been captured decades before computers were powerful enough to simulate such images. Why doubt the authenticity of these photos when the only other possibility is that a multinational conspiracy involving at least tens of thousands of people is responsible for constructing fraudulent images of earth to perpetuate the idea that earth is not flat, keeping  in mind that no whistle power has ever come forward about being in volvox int he conspiracy, particularly one as large as this one.
Those who have an excessive faith in their theories or in their ideas are not only poorly disposed to make discoveries, but they also make very poor observations.
Claude Bernard, 1865

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2014, 06:03:47 AM »
Search this thing called "Red Bull Stratos".

Can you find a Red Bull Stratos image that does not use a fish eye lens?