How did Columbia get so high before is broke up?

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Interesting. What is a regular terrestrial aerial look like. Can you find me a picture?

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Interesting. What is a regular terrestrial aerial look like. Can you find me a picture?

If you saw my set up you would understand. If you pm me I'll be more than happy for you to come and visit me and see it in action.

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

Satellite signals are just radio signals.  You are claiming that either we can not pick up "satellite" signals with a terrestrial signal, or that radio signals must come form the direction you are pointing the directional antenna at.  Ha ha, I used a preposition at the end of a sentence. 

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

You say "only". That is not true. Satellite is "one" of the systems used to do the job. If CNN want to broadcast over north America it is done by land. If Europe want is they will get it from satellite

The only exceptions being Andorra, Italy and Sceptimaticland.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:59:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Interesting. What is a regular terrestrial aerial look like. Can you find me a picture?

If you saw my set up you would understand. If you pm me I'll be more than happy for you to come and visit me and see it in action.

Well visiting your may not be possible. You can come to my place. I would show to all my antennas and radio system to all but you must do the same. Now if you want to do that privately we can to that also. The only thing is it is hard to have a debate with others to understand your point of view. I know a lot about antennas. The word aerial is not a word used anymore. It is an old word that the British used in the WW2. In any case I design, build, and teach antennas. I use computer modelling software to design complex one. My biggest one is 93 ft long and 52 feet high between two towers. I have 11 antennas to cover most of the lower frequencies to talk to people all over the world. On VHF frequencies I can connect to other repeaters in any city in the world. The system is called IRLPhttp://www.irlp.net/. I also have made three contacts to the space station. If you want to play the antenna game I am ready.

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

Are you using a illegal transmitter?

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:02:20 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:59:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Interesting. What is a regular terrestrial aerial look like. Can you find me a picture?

If you saw my set up you would understand. If you pm me I'll be more than happy for you to come and visit me and see it in action.

Well visiting your may not be possible. You can come to my place. I would show to all my antennas and radio system to all but you must do the same. Now if you want to do that privately we can to that also. The only thing is it is hard to have a debate with others to understand your point of view. I know a lot about antennas. The word aerial is not a word used anymore. It is an old word that the British used in the WW2. In any case I design, build, and teach antennas. I use computer modelling software to design complex one. My biggest one is 93 ft long and 52 feet high between two towers. I have 11 antennas to cover most of the lower frequencies to talk to people all over the world. On VHF frequencies I can connect to other repeaters in any city in the world. The system is called IRLPhttp://www.irlp.net/. I also have made three contacts to the space station. If you want to play the antenna game I am ready.

Agreed. I didn't know who the antenna person was, whether it was you or glokta. Ok here's the deal, if you want. Are you ok for money? I'll ask this before I start so we can get this done and it will change your mind, I guarantee it.

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:19:30 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:02:20 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:59:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Interesting. What is a regular terrestrial aerial look like. Can you find me a picture?

If you saw my set up you would understand. If you pm me I'll be more than happy for you to come and visit me and see it in action.

Well visiting your may not be possible. You can come to my place. I would show to all my antennas and radio system to all but you must do the same. Now if you want to do that privately we can to that also. The only thing is it is hard to have a debate with others to understand your point of view. I know a lot about antennas. The word aerial is not a word used anymore. It is an old word that the British used in the WW2. In any case I design, build, and teach antennas. I use computer modelling software to design complex one. My biggest one is 93 ft long and 52 feet high between two towers. I have 11 antennas to cover most of the lower frequencies to talk to people all over the world. On VHF frequencies I can connect to other repeaters in any city in the world. The system is called IRLPhttp://www.irlp.net/. I also have made three contacts to the space station. If you want to play the antenna game I am ready.

Agreed. I didn't know who the antenna person was, whether it was you or glokta. Ok here's the deal, if you want. Are you ok for money? I'll ask this before I start so we can get this done and it will change your mind, I guarantee it.

Where do you live. I live in Canada.

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

You are barely tolerable online why would anyone want to meet you in person? A simple photo of your aerial and tv box with details would suffice. And regarding your creepy desire to meet up with people, doesn't it beg the question why you previously refused to share this information as you said it was "classified" (I think you meant confidential). Also it's a risky business associating with North Korean defectors...How's that going for you by the way? It must have a real impact on your day to day life.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

Are you using a illegal transmitter?

Let's just say I can amaze you, or maybe not. Maybe you actually know. I suppose you will only divulge that on a meeting.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:24:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:19:30 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:02:20 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:59:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 07:43:39 AM

What? Round Earthers are the ones who claim that videos can only be sent by satellites.  They do it all the time.  I don't want to name names, but read over threads and you will see it for yourself.

Or rather we claim you can't pick up a satellite tv signal with a regular terrestrial aerial. Not that you deliberately twisted that at all 

It was me that said that.

Interesting. What is a regular terrestrial aerial look like. Can you find me a picture?

If you saw my set up you would understand. If you pm me I'll be more than happy for you to come and visit me and see it in action.

Well visiting your may not be possible. You can come to my place. I would show to all my antennas and radio system to all but you must do the same. Now if you want to do that privately we can to that also. The only thing is it is hard to have a debate with others to understand your point of view. I know a lot about antennas. The word aerial is not a word used anymore. It is an old word that the British used in the WW2. In any case I design, build, and teach antennas. I use computer modelling software to design complex one. My biggest one is 93 ft long and 52 feet high between two towers. I have 11 antennas to cover most of the lower frequencies to talk to people all over the world. On VHF frequencies I can connect to other repeaters in any city in the world. The system is called IRLPhttp://www.irlp.net/. I also have made three contacts to the space station. If you want to play the antenna game I am ready.

Agreed. I didn't know who the antenna person was, whether it was you or glokta. Ok here's the deal, if you want. Are you ok for money? I'll ask this before I start so we can get this done and it will change your mind, I guarantee it.

Where do you live. I live in Canada.

England...but that's not a problem.

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:22:08 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

Are you using a illegal transmitter?

Let's just say I can amaze you, or maybe not. Maybe you actually know. I suppose you will only divulge that on a meeting.

I dough i will amaze. Where do you live and what frequency are you transmitting? At least you must know that.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

You are barely tolerable online why would anyone want to meet you in person? A simple photo of your aerial and tv box with details would suffice. And regarding your creepy desire to meet up with people, doesn't it beg the question why you previously refused to share this information as you said it was "classified" (I think you meant confidential). Also it's a risky business associating with North Korean defectors...How's that going for you by the way? It must have a real impact on your day to day life.

Don't worry about it, I wanted someone in the know and I thought it was you but it's starman, so consider your little holiday OFF. 

Where do you live?

Where do you live?

Just as I expected he ran away! I will wait.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:28:20 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:22:08 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 07:10:12 AM

Who are you asking?

Seeing how you answered, I'll say, you.

Global Position Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Yeah, referred to as global positioning SYSTEM.
SKY TV, they rarely use  the word, satellite now. It makes you wonder why.

oh dear...

Quote

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all
weather conditions, anywhere on or
near the Earth where there is an
unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.

Can you find any references to a ground based global positioning system?

I could show you one if you are prepared to come to my place. I'll even share the cost of your travel, then I can show you my set up and I can show you the transmitter that is used and prove it. Which one was the so called satellite engineer, was it you?

Are you using a illegal transmitter?

Let's just say I can amaze you, or maybe not. Maybe you actually know. I suppose you will only divulge that on a meeting.

I dough i will amaze. Where do you live and what frequency are you transmitting? At least you must know that.

I know it all and I'll be more than happy to explain it all to you, even show you. I can even put you up in your own place for a week if you want.

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:32:55 AM

Where do you live?

Just as I expected he ran away! I will wait.

I've just told you where I live. England. Ran away? I'm offering you to come to me, how is that running away?

Quote from: Jairo on March 07, 2014, 07:15:35 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 07, 2014, 06:49:30 AM

Radio signals can be refracted by the atmoplane.  You can also reflect radio signals off the atmoplane.

I know atmosphere can refract and reflect. Some radio users even use this to actually communicate through larger distances.

The problem is that this real phenomenon doesn't look like with what you need here. It can't mimic movement, paralax and visual image of a satellite at the same time. Aditionally, this extreme distortion would be detectable by other means, like messing our view of the stars; yet the sky keeps looking like an undistorted background.

I understand what you are saying.  You are saying that I could not both see something and pick up radio signals from it, from the same direction unless the Earth is round?  Correct?

Not quite. I've even said that radio users manage to do this, in some restricted situations.

I'm saying that refraction and reflection alone are not enought to make a ground transmition look like a satellite in the sky, in the same way that they don't make a parked truck look like an airplane over your head.

Your attempted explanation raises questions. I've seen satellites by myself; if they are just refractions and reflections of something close to the ground, why don't we see cars and houses high and well defined in the sky too? And why does the sky look like a background without this heavy distortion?

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:37:26 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:32:55 AM

Where do you live?

Just as I expected he ran away! I will wait.

I've just told you where I live. England. Ran away? I'm offering you to come to me, how is that running away?

you want me to spend $2000 to see you?

It is amazing.  Jroa comes in here and helps the topic get derailed, instead of keeping it on track, once someone requests some numbers to back up a claim.  Then that request gets lost in the muck.  Well done Jroa!!!!

So please Scepti, can you show me some of those calculations that you have done to indicate that people on the ground should have died from falling debris?  Or is this another one of your baseless arguments?

Also, how do you know Starman isn't an assassin looking to take you out since you know so much?  I mean, you accused me of that and I didn't ask nearly as personal information as Starman is looking for.  I mean, I was just looking for a website of your company.  Starman is trying to find out where you live!!!!

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:39:01 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:37:26 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:32:55 AM

Where do you live?

Just as I expected he ran away! I will wait.

I've just told you where I live. England. Ran away? I'm offering you to come to me, how is that running away?

you want me to spend $2000 to see you?

I'll pay all your bills from start to finish, air fares, food, accommodation, beverages, everything. I can do is as quickly as the end of March. Are you up for it?

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:50:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:39:01 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:37:26 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:32:55 AM

Where do you live?

Just as I expected he ran away! I will wait.

I've just told you where I live. England. Ran away? I'm offering you to come to me, how is that running away?

you want me to spend $2000 to see you?

I'll pay all your bills from start to finish, air fares, food, accommodation, beverages, everything. I can do is as quickly as the end of March. Are you up for it?

Where, approx, are you in the UK?

So please Scepti, can you show me some of those calculations that you have done to indicate that people on the ground should have died from falling debris?  Or is this another one of your baseless arguments?

275,172 * 1944 (approx) debris over 34 sq mls= 24 ex+78 wo ca =102 ca total.

Also, how do you know Starman isn't an assassin looking to take you out since you know so much?  I mean, you accused me of that and I didn't ask nearly as personal information as Starman is looking for.  I mean, I was just looking for a website of your company.  Starman is trying to find out where you live!!!!

I have contingency plans for that.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 10:22:32 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:50:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 08:39:01 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:37:26 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 07, 2014, 08:32:55 AM

Where do you live?

Just as I expected he ran away! I will wait.

I've just told you where I live. England. Ran away? I'm offering you to come to me, how is that running away?

you want me to spend $2000 to see you?

I'll pay all your bills from start to finish, air fares, food, accommodation, beverages, everything. I can do is as quickly as the end of March. Are you up for it?

Where, approx, are you in the UK?

North East.

Quote from: BJ1234 on March 07, 2014, 09:06:38 AM

So please Scepti, can you show me some of those calculations that you have done to indicate that people on the ground should have died from falling debris?  Or is this another one of your baseless arguments?

275,172 * 1944 (approx) debris over 34 sq mls= 24 ex+78 wo ca =102 ca total.

OK good.  Now where did you get your numbers?
What is the 275,172? there are no units.
What is the 1944? there are no units.
So you are saying the debris field was 34 square miles? Considering that the debris field was over Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana, I believe your number is an the small side.  Where did you obtain this number?

Which number is your population density?  Without knowing that, you can't begin to figure out the number of casualties.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 07, 2014, 10:27:53 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on March 07, 2014, 09:06:38 AM

So please Scepti, can you show me some of those calculations that you have done to indicate that people on the ground should have died from falling debris?  Or is this another one of your baseless arguments?

275,172 * 1944 (approx) debris over 34 sq mls= 24 ex+78 wo ca =102 ca total.

OK good.  Now where did you get your numbers?
What is the 275,172? there are no units.
What is the 1944? there are no units.
So you are saying the debris field was 34 square miles? Considering that the debris field was over Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana, I believe your number is an the small side.  Where did you obtain this number?

Which number is your population density?  Without knowing that, you can't begin to figure out the number of casualties.

I don't know. You asked for some numbers so I gave you some. I haven't a clue what they represent.

The point is, you don't need numbers to know that a supposed shuttle breaking into pieces over a populated area is going to have casualties. I could understand nobody being hurt or killed if it was just 10 rocks falling but the debris field is too large by what they say for there to be none.

They probably thing they relaunched it 16 days later just to crash it.

This. They relaunched the shuttle the day it was supposed to "crash" and staged the whole thing. The NWO is tricky like that. I can see how you'd be easily fooled.