How did Columbia get so high before is broke up?

They believe that they are building something that will float around in space.  That does not mean they are, though. 

They believe that they are building something that will float around in space.  That does not mean they are, though.

So they design and build a GPS system in Russia that does not work?

If anyone can use their own common sense, I'm sure they can see that this wonderous bolt not only looks pathetic for holding this shuttle to the tank top but it's a classic urine extract of the public.
Look closely at how it simply POPS out. Look at the size of the bolt...one bolt that is on a spring and just pops away. To be honest, it would have to explode away but we see none of that. Now tell me, all you brave souls on this forum...which one of you would like to fly into space in this thing, knowing your life hinged on this silly bolt?

What the hell could this bolt be made of that could allow it to withstand the immense forces of not only holding the shuttle on to the tank but also the thousands of miles per hour vertical force that's being exterted onto the shuttle as it supposedly lifts into the higher atmosphere.
I'm sure many of you have seen what a tile looks like that is affixed to the underbelly of the shuttle, right? Pretty thick aren't they?...Now did you notice how far that bolt popped out? What the hell was it attached to? The tiles?

If the bolt popped out, then it's fair to say that it's left a hole through the tiles, right? If that's the case, it's then left  a massive problem for re-entry, unless the tiles are self repairing as soon as the bolt is released.
Does this seem reasonable to you lot? Seriously?

Amid all of that...let's look at the struts that actually hold up the huge shuttle and also the huge external throwaway massive centre tank. Think of the weight of the shuttle and this massive central tank and guess what is holding those two up?

Have a look at the picture below, then ask yourself again, is this really possible? I know it's magical N.A.S.A and they can magically invent super stuff, apparently...but seriously? I mean, frigging seriously?
What the hell is this stuff made from?

Have a look yourselves and see if you can tell me that everything is perfect and above board, without laughing.

So they design and build a GPS system in Russia that does not work?

If they did not have people who believed that they were making them, how would they convince everyone else that they were making them? 

Quote from: inquisitive on March 06, 2014, 04:42:09 AM

So they design and build a GPS system in Russia that does not work?

If they did not have people who believed that they were making them, how would they convince everyone else that they were making them?

So how can I be receiving 6 Russian satelites on my GPS app that tells me where I am?

I don't have your GPS.  How am I supposed to show you anything on it?  I do have my phone handy and it tells me where I am with the GPS turned off, though. 

I don't have your GPS.  How am I supposed to show you anything on it?  I do have my phone handy and it tells me where I am with the GPS turned off, though.

That is not GPS.  Does not work where I am.  Please explain how GPS works in centre of oceans, with documented evidence.

Do you have a sheet of paper with 5 questions on it that you are going to repeat over and over?  You ask me this at least twice per week.  Do you not remember the answer that I gave you last time? 

Quote from: inquisitive on March 06, 2014, 04:42:09 AM

So they design and build a GPS system in Russia that does not work?

If they did not have people who believed that they were making them, how would they convince everyone else that they were making them?

Who, exactly, is this "they" you keep referring to?  Have you told your doctor about how "they" control your reality?  I would if I were you.

Quote from: jroa on March 06, 2014, 04:44:52 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 06, 2014, 04:42:09 AM

So they design and build a GPS system in Russia that does not work?

If they did not have people who believed that they were making them, how would they convince everyone else that they were making them?

Who, exactly, is this "they" you keep referring to?  Have you told your doctor about how "they" control your reality?  I would if I were you.

The first and third "they" is the Russian space agency, the second "they" are the people who make the space objects.  Sorry, the statement was confusing when I re-read it too. 

So we can buy GPS systems that work anywhere in the world and there are people who say that they cannot work in the way they clearly do, but can give no evidence of how they think they work.

So the Russian, US, Chinese and European GPS industries are all in a conspiracy about building a GPS system, along with thousands of scientists and engineers, plus all the GPS receiver and application designers.  Plus people like me who use it and know there are no land based transmitters because I do not have line of sight access to land in the south, but do have to where some of the satellites are located.

Having a device that tells you where you are in no way implies that the signal must be coming from out space.  You often make this fallacy.

Do you honestly believe that governments never conspire and lie to their citizens?  And, you "know" that there are no land based transmitters?  How exactly do you know this?  FM radio works with line of sight, but I can still use it around hills.  You keep ignoring this. 

Having a device that tells you where you are in no way implies that the signal must be coming from out space.  You often make this fallacy.

Do you honestly believe that governments never conspire and lie to their citizens?  And, you "know" that there are no land based transmitters?  How exactly do you know this?  FM radio works with line of sight, but I can still use it around hills.  You keep ignoring this.

FM - 100MHz, GPS - 1575MHz, different characteristics.

Just tell me where one land based GPS transmitter is.  So you don't exclude satellite based ones?

How does GPS work in war zones, for directing missiles etc.

Higher frequencies actually travel through air easier than lower frequencies.  So a GPS signal sent from a transmitter can travel farther with less power.  This seems to not look so good for the satellites, now does it? 

Higher frequencies actually travel through air easier than lower frequencies.  So a GPS signal sent from a transmitter can travel farther with less power.  This seems to not look so good for the satellites, now does it?

More directional. hence line of sight.  There are only 24 US ones covering the earth, how many land based ones would be needed so that 10 were in view anywhere?  Millions.

Any land locations yet???

You say that there are only 24 satellites.  You really have no idea.  It could be 24 stratellites for all you know. 

Also, what makes you think that, if the government was lying to you about satellites, they would tell me the locations of their ground based transmitters?  Is this really your level of mentality? 

Next, you'll be asking me for proof and the exact location of Santa's workshop.

You say that there are only 24 satellites.  You really have no idea.  It could be 24 stratellites for all you know. 

Also, what makes you think that, if the government was lying to you about satellites, they would tell me the locations of their ground based transmitters?  Is this really your level of mentality? 

Next, you'll be asking me for proof and the exact location of Santa's workshop.

You would obviously see the ground transmitters, cause there would be so many of them.

But still, you can get GPS signal in the Sahara desert, but there are no transmitters there.

You've never seen a ground based transmitter?  Are you claiming that they don't exist?

Having a device that tells you where you are in no way implies that the signal must be coming from out space.  You often make this fallacy.

Do you honestly believe that governments never conspire and lie to their citizens?  And, you "know" that there are no land based transmitters?  How exactly do you know this?  FM radio works with line of sight, but I can still use it around hills.  You keep ignoring this.

We already established the need for satellites to accurately calculate altitude. Your land based fantasy model does not work. Bringing this up again in other threads is a poor tactical move on your part. It has been smashed already.

When did we establish this fact?  How did people find their altitude before GPS systems were invented?  Maybe we did not know our altitude until the magical flying trash cans were shot into space?  Or, maybe, it is just BS that you can not know your altitude unless satellites are real? 

When did we establish this fact?  How did people find their altitude before GPS systems were invented?  Maybe we did not know our altitude until the magical flying trash cans were shot into space?  Or, maybe, it is just BS that you can not know your altitude unless satellites are real?

Lame  Your constant deflection is so transparent. Me: "Toasters exist, I used one this morning." You:"I can toast bread on my fire. How does that prove toasters exist." .....

 So back on track, how is your evidence coming on for land based transmitters being able to accurately calculate altitude? You went quiet after trying to call me out with your LORAN claim. And what deflection are you going to use next?

And once again I would like to mention the fact you came here as a round earther and have since been converted. Looking at your early posts you opened up your stay here arguing in favour of satellites, so you should have all the evidence at your disposal to indicate your change of views. Or were you simply indoctrinated? A great mind such as yours is surely not so easily swayed that your only argument now is - satellites do not exist, those that think they do are brainwashed fools, and those that make them are "mistaken".

Having a device that tells you where you are in no way implies that the signal must be coming from out space.  You often make this fallacy.

Do you honestly believe that governments never conspire and lie to their citizens?  And, you "know" that there are no land based transmitters?  How exactly do you know this?  FM radio works with line of sight, but I can still use it around hills.  You keep ignoring this.

Yes around hills to a limit bit not for a 1000 miles. GPS works everywhere, in any ocean in the world, north and south poles, deserts, under developed countries. How to you think airlines find their way over the oceans and polar routes. Don't say compass. It goes nuts at the poles. Ground transmitter could not possibly be built to do that.

You've never seen a ground based transmitter?  Are you claiming that they don't exist?

Pretty stupid question. They don't exits. You show us that do.

When did we establish this fact?  How did people find their altitude before GPS systems were invented?  Maybe we did not know our altitude until the magical flying trash cans were shot into space?  Or, maybe, it is just BS that you can not know your altitude unless satellites are real?

Airlines use altimeters, some ground radar and now GPS.

You went quiet after trying to call me out with your LORAN claim. And what deflection are you going to use next?

What?  I did not show you articles and pictures?  Are you just ignoring evidence, or are you actually ignoring everything in your mind and convincing yourself that the evidence is not true? 

And once again I would like to mention the fact you came here as a round earther and have since been converted. Looking at your early posts you opened up your stay here arguing in favour of satellites, so you should have all the evidence at your disposal to indicate your change of views. Or were you simply indoctrinated? A great mind such as yours is surely not so easily swayed that your only argument now is - satellites do not exist, those that think they do are brainwashed fools, and those that make them are "mistaken".

People can not change their minds when presented with overwhelming evidence? 

Don't say compass. It goes nuts at the poles. Ground transmitter could not possibly be built to do that.

Why do you think airlines do not fly over the poles? 

Quote from: jroa on March 06, 2014, 07:02:46 AM

When did we establish this fact?  How did people find their altitude before GPS systems were invented?  Maybe we did not know our altitude until the magical flying trash cans were shot into space?  Or, maybe, it is just BS that you can not know your altitude unless satellites are real?

Airlines use altimeters, some ground radar and now GPS.

So, then, it is possible to know your altitude without satellites?  Good thing we are getting this straightened out. 

Quote from: Starman on March 06, 2014, 07:42:41 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 06, 2014, 07:02:46 AM

When did we establish this fact?  How did people find their altitude before GPS systems were invented?  Maybe we did not know our altitude until the magical flying trash cans were shot into space?  Or, maybe, it is just BS that you can not know your altitude unless satellites are real?

Airlines use altimeters, some ground radar and now GPS.

So, then, it is possible to know your altitude without satellites?  Good thing we are getting this straightened out.

So are you saying your phone uses an altimeter or radar to determine your location?