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« Reply #630 on: February 28, 2014, 10:57:48 PM »
I can remember 30 years ago saying to my mates "you wait and see BHP will be mining the shit out of that moon within 10 years from now" guess I was wrong. No one seems to want anything to do with that old dump up there. As far as I can tell  all its good for is leaving rubbish behind. Maybe even bombing the shit out of it too. Didn't somebody do that a couple of years ago looking for water?

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« Reply #631 on: March 01, 2014, 02:21:59 AM »
I'm not interested in what N.A.S.A says they landed on, I'm interested in what people would see of the moon from Earth as these cretins were supposedly on it.

Based on the dates of the moon landings, it would have looked like this:
Apollo 11 and 17: Apollo 12 and 14:

Apollo 15: Apollo 16:

And a quick check on landing sites shows that each one was either in or very close to the poorly lit strip between the light and dark portions of the moon. The following image shows the Apollo landing sites as green triangles:



I'm not expecting you to take any of this seriously, that's entirely up to you, but it would be appreciated if you gave it as much consideration as you ask us to give each image and video you put up. Approach it with an open mind, and just pretend for a moment that it may have been possible, if you can.
Oh I am taking it all seriously. I wouldn't bother going into it all if I wasn't.
I'm well aware that everything has an explanation. It's obvious that an explanation needs to be given for every piece of evidence picked out against it all.  It's down to how each person wants to go with that evidence, as in, look at it all and decide it's either riddled to death with holes that have since been rectified or that it's all legitimate and the explanations are spot on.
I've spent a long time looking over all this and still do to this day, obviously.  I can be told as many times as needed that I'm not a space scientist and that I know nothing of what the moon is about, yet the very people that tell me this, also know nothing, other than what they are told from the source, which is the whole point of what I'm debating against.


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« Reply #632 on: March 01, 2014, 02:24:36 AM »
This is a very interesting video. Have a good look at it and tell me what you think.

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Here is a photo of the of Gene Cernan just after he spoke on the carrier.

there appears to have been some bleeding under the nail on the little finger and, possibly, near the base of the middle finger
 
Listen carefully to the tape of them and the descriptions they give of what's happening to their hands. And you say he's got a bit of a dodgy little finger. Are you being serious?

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« Reply #633 on: March 01, 2014, 02:28:14 AM »
Remember this photo was taken 3 days after the moon walk.
Which people, apart from super heroes, do you know anyone who can heal up in a couple of days from blistered hands and skinned knuckles. There's something not right and it cannot be denied.

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« Reply #634 on: March 01, 2014, 02:31:55 AM »
Some videos are proven to be faked, yet, the rest are absolutely real.  RE logic.

As far as I know, there have been no NASA moon program videos that have been proved unequivocally to be fake.  I know a lot of people have posted lots of these videos on YouTube, and provided their detailed descriptions of the allegedly phony bits and pieces, but none of them are all that convincing.

And as each allegedly bogus video is posted, another video is posted rebutting the first and proving it's not a phony.

I'm actually surprised that even after more than 40 years, there's conspiracy theorists out there still desperately trying to prove all the Apollo missions were filmed in an aircraft hanger in Area 51.

Why would you bother?
I don't think you're that naive as to why they would bother to do something like this. I can think of three very good reasons as to why and so can you.

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« Reply #635 on: March 01, 2014, 02:43:20 AM »
Some videos are proven to be faked, yet, the rest are absolutely real.  RE logic.

As far as I know, there have been no NASA moon program videos that have been proved unequivocally to be fake.  I know a lot of people have posted lots of these videos on YouTube, and provided their detailed descriptions of the allegedly phony bits and pieces, but none of them are all that convincing.

And as each allegedly bogus video is posted, another video is posted rebutting the first and proving it's not a phony.

I'm actually surprised that even after more than 40 years, there's conspiracy theorists out there still desperately trying to prove all the Apollo missions were filmed in an aircraft hanger in Area 51.

Why would you bother?
It gives the conspiracy theorist lots of attention. They love attention. It is their way to make themselves believe that are smart.
Maybe some do like it. I'd prefer to not question anything in this form. I'd love to be able to sit there and say, " wow, what an achievement, how clever are humans and how clever are a select bunch of people who think this stuff up and then make it happen. I'd love that.
It's just a shame that it stands out as so ridiculously faked that it's not even funny.
I remember watching Frankenstein movies when I was a kid. I loved them and they scared me, because I believed it to be sort of real in a sense, as people do with films. I never once thought, "my god, look at that make up", etc.

I watched re-runs years later and laughed my head off at how silly it all looked. It's a bit like the moon landings, so it's no wonder that people were took in, in those days, because that was their reality, except NOW, many (who bother to look) have realised just how silly it all was.
There's a hell of a lot more think it's faked that people like to believe.
Any rational person should know that shills will be employed to make sure that those that question it, will be ridiculed at every available attempt. There's also those that do not want to believe it was faked and hang on to it as all real, because to believe it to be fake means they know that most of what they think they know about space could be also faked.

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« Reply #636 on: March 01, 2014, 02:44:05 AM »
I can remember 30 years ago saying to my mates "you wait and see BHP will be mining the shit out of that moon within 10 years from now" guess I was wrong. No one seems to want anything to do with that old dump up there. As far as I can tell  all its good for is leaving rubbish behind. Maybe even bombing the shit out of it too. Didn't somebody do that a couple of years ago looking for water?
I think the first mission was mainly about a show of strength, to show that it could be done and the US were the ones who could do it. There have been well over 100 lunar missions and there are even hopes for a manned private mission in next 7 years. I think it boils down to the phenomenal cost of a manned mission precluding NASA from persuing any other objectives
such as the asteroid redirect mission. Also, with regards to mining - even if there was something there to mine, the ridiculous cost of getting the equipment needed to the moon, and then transporting the mined material back to earth would far outweigh any benefit.
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« Reply #637 on: March 01, 2014, 02:53:33 AM »
I think the first mission was mainly about a show of strength, to show that it could be done and the US were the ones who could do it. There have been well over 100 lunar missions and there are even hopes for a manned private mission in next 7 years. I think it boils down to the phenomenal cost of a manned mission precluding NASA from persuing any other objectives such as the asteroid redirect mission.
A show of strength to who? Russia?
The Russians were supposedly way ahead of the US and yet they obviously messed up somewhere and the US sneaked in and went straight to the moon, all within the decade Kennedy predicted.

How about a mutual game play between those nations. The US had the means to fake the moon missions, hollywood style (for those days) and the perfect man to implement it all in Kubrick.
If you look deeper into it all it will all make sense. Or you don't have to, you can simply accept what's told.

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« Reply #638 on: March 01, 2014, 02:58:48 AM »
Please, please for your own sake don't bring the kubrick / shining hidden messages into this. I don't want you to embarrass yourself any more than is necessary. Please don't do it to yourself.
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« Reply #639 on: March 01, 2014, 03:06:27 AM »
Please, please for your own sake don't bring the kubrick / shining hidden messages into this. I don't want you to embarrass yourself any more than is necessary. Please don't do it to yourself.
I don't need to bring the shining into any of it. Just take a look at what Kubrick was up to in those days, that should give you a clue. I say "should" , I'm fairly sure you've looked into this but if  not, then maybe it might give you a little bit of food for thought.

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« Reply #640 on: March 01, 2014, 05:04:49 AM »
Please, please for your own sake don't bring the kubrick / shining hidden messages into this. I don't want you to embarrass yourself any more than is necessary. Please don't do it to yourself.
I don't need to bring the shining into any of it. Just take a look at what Kubrick was up to in those days, that should give you a clue. I say "should" , I'm fairly sure you've looked into this but if  not, then maybe it might give you a little bit of food for thought.
The Shining conspiracy theorists really need to decide on which secret message the film was a vehicle for. So far as it suits them, they pick CIA mind control, the apollo missions, american killings of the indians, the illuminati, satanism and the holocaust.
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« Reply #641 on: March 01, 2014, 06:01:24 AM »
Please, please for your own sake don't bring the kubrick / shining hidden messages into this. I don't want you to embarrass yourself any more than is necessary. Please don't do it to yourself.
I don't need to bring the shining into any of it. Just take a look at what Kubrick was up to in those days, that should give you a clue. I say "should" , I'm fairly sure you've looked into this but if  not, then maybe it might give you a little bit of food for thought.
The Shining conspiracy theorists really need to decide on which secret message the film was a vehicle for. So far as it suits them, they pick CIA mind control, the apollo missions, american killings of the indians, the illuminati, satanism and the holocaust.
I'm not really too bothered about the shining, although if you watch it, it weirdly gives out clues.
Call it many coincidences if you want to, that's your prerogative.
Detectives do not solve crimes by looking through evidence and deciding that hundreds of coincidences are simply just that and the criminal is allowed to go due to lack of evidence, do they?
They keep digging.

If we all had to go by your thinking, then no crime would ever be solved, because it would go like this.

Me: Well, glokta, the man had the gun and was at the apartment where the shot mans body was. The dead man had one bullet hole in his head caused by a magnum, which the man at the scene was caught in possession of; with only one bullet used from the chamber that matches the bullet that killed the man.

You: Yes, but that doesn't mean that the man is guilty, I mean, someone could have shot the other man and then pushed the gun into the arrested mans hands, then ran off.

Me: Well, yes, I suppose...but the only finger prints on the gun, are the arrested mans.

You: Yes, but the other man that ran away could have ben wearing gloves.

Me:, Well, I suppose, but the arrested man has blood splattering on his clothes and it is the blood of the dead man.

You: Maybe;  but the man could have been walking past as the gunman shot the man and both were hit by blood splatter, only the innocent man has unfortunately had the gun placed in his hand and was left at the scene when police arrived.

Me: Possibly, except that the arrested man also had the dead mans wallet in his coat, so his possible intentions were to rob the man.

You: Yes but the real murderer could have shoved the wallet into the arrested mans pocket as he pushed the gun into his hand, knowing that the  arrested man would be framed.

Me: Highly unlikely, as the arrested man has gun residue on his own coat and hands from the firing of the bullet.

You: As I said, he could have just been walking past as the bullet was fired.

This is what happens when conspiracies are questioned. Even though a conspiracy theory looks solid, it's counteracted with similar stuff to the scenario I just gave.

Let me put this another way.
If  N.A.S.A was North Korea and they were the only country that was putting men into space and onto the moon, mars and everywhere else, then gave out video and pictures like we see of N.A.S.A..... I'd lay any money you wanted  on people like you saying, " my god, it's an absolute fake, I mean look at the state of that...they can't even do this or that right."
You'll deny this of course but I'm telling you, you would be like this, because it would suit and you would follow the masses who said it was fake.
That's how the brainwashing system works and that's how propaganda works.
 Fakery can be so in your face (not you personally) that it becomes embarrassingly ridiculous...but if it's officially recognised as being real by so called trusted scientists, then the ridiculous can be accepted by the masses.
From that point on; any random person who sees it for what it is, is immediately ridiculed or simply dismissed as a nut job and told to go away, or worse for those of higher rank who see it and decide to speak out.

That's how it works and that's how it's always worked.

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« Reply #642 on: March 01, 2014, 11:41:39 AM »
I don't think you're that naive as to why they would bother to do something like this. I can think of three very good reasons as to why and so can you.

I've already said I can't think of any reasons to keep up the Apollo moon missions conspiracy for so long.

Can you give me your "three very good reasons"?
 
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« Reply #643 on: March 01, 2014, 12:11:20 PM »

It's just a shame that it stands out as so ridiculously faked that it's not even funny.
Other than referring repeatedly to YouTube videos of doubtful provenance, you've done absolutely nothing to convince people here as to exactly why you think the moon landings were faked.  It doesn't matter how many times you claim they were faked or funny or ridiculous—saying it a thousand times does not make it so.  You need empirical evidence.  And thus far you have none.

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It's a bit like the moon landings, so it's no wonder that people were took in, in those days, because that was their reality, except NOW, many (who bother to look) have realised just how silly it all was.
You obviously weren't born when Apollo 11 landed men on the moon, so you have absolutely no idea of what our society was like, or its "reality", during that period.  It's only you who look silly if you pretend that you do.  Sorry.

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There's a hell of a lot more think it's faked that people like to believe.
Once again a very melodramatic statement, but one that's entirely hollow.  No facts; no evidence; personal opinion; nothing more.

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Any rational person should know that shills will be employed to make sure that those that question it, will be ridiculed at every available attempt.
Ah... the old "rational" person non-argument.  Well done sceptimatic.  I was wondering when you'd drag out that logical furphy LOL.  The funny thing is, you know (well, obviously you don't know hehe) is that it's the nay-sayers, the conspiracy theorists—such as yourself—that are being laughed at spontaneously by the vast majority who understand the science and the politics of the moon landing programs, without the any need whatsoever for your imagined "shills" selling the idea.

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There's also those that do not want to believe it was faked and hang on to it as all real, because to believe it to be fake means they know that most of what they think they know about space could be also faked.
I have to say that this is one of the most distorted pieces of "logic" I've read here today!  It's actually so nonsensical I don't think I can even formulate a response LOL.
 


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« Reply #644 on: March 01, 2014, 12:18:45 PM »

I don't think you're that naive as to why they would bother to do something like this. I can think of three very good reasons as to why and so can you.

I've already said I can't think of any reasons to keep up the Apollo moon missions conspiracy for so long.

Can you give me your "three very good reasons"?
[/quote]If you cannot think of any reasons then just accept it as that. I won't add anything to it, it would be absolutely pointless.

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« Reply #645 on: March 01, 2014, 12:20:33 PM »
The Russians were supposedly way ahead of the US and yet they obviously messed up somewhere and the US sneaked in and went straight to the moon, all within the decade Kennedy predicted.
The Americans only accelerated their space program because of Sputnik 1.  No other reason.  Well, other than the Cold war.

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The US had the means to fake the moon missions, Hollywood style (for those days) and the perfect man to implement it all in Kubrick.
I'm sorry, but you may have forgotten your medication today?  What next?  A secret stage set in a deserted WWII aircraft hangar in Area 51 where they hid the bodies from Roswell?

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« Reply #646 on: March 01, 2014, 12:22:29 PM »

It's just a shame that it stands out as so ridiculously faked that it's not even funny.
Other than referring repeatedly to YouTube videos of doubtful provenance, you've done absolutely nothing to convince people here as to exactly why you think the moon landings were faked.  It doesn't matter how many times you claim they were faked or funny or ridiculous—saying it a thousand times does not make it so.  You need empirical evidence.  And thus far you have none.

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It's a bit like the moon landings, so it's no wonder that people were took in, in those days, because that was their reality, except NOW, many (who bother to look) have realised just how silly it all was.
You obviously weren't born when Apollo 11 landed men on the moon, so you have absolutely no idea of what our society was like, or its "reality", during that period.  It's only you who look silly if you pretend that you do.  Sorry.

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There's a hell of a lot more think it's faked that people like to believe.
Once again a very melodramatic statement, but one that's entirely hollow.  No facts; no evidence; personal opinion; nothing more.

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Any rational person should know that shills will be employed to make sure that those that question it, will be ridiculed at every available attempt.
Ah... the old "rational" person non-argument.  Well done sceptimatic.  I was wondering when you'd drag out that logical furphy LOL.  The funny thing is, you know (well, obviously you don't know hehe) is that it's the nay-sayers, the conspiracy theorists—such as yourself—that are being laughed at spontaneously by the vast majority who understand the science and the politics of the moon landing programs, without the any need whatsoever for your imagined "shills" selling the idea.

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There's also those that do not want to believe it was faked and hang on to it as all real, because to believe it to be fake means they know that most of what they think they know about space could be also faked.
I have to say that this is one of the most distorted pieces of "logic" I've read here today!  It's actually so nonsensical I don't think I can even formulate a response LOL.
Ok, Geoff, if there is no evidence given in this 600 plus post topic, then just accept it for that, if that's how you feel. I'm easy with that thought.
I wasn't actually putting it up for your benefit. More the benefit of those looking in that don't feel under any pressure in their view of it, so can make up their own minds and maybe delve further to find out the truth. that's good enough for me.

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« Reply #647 on: March 01, 2014, 12:23:49 PM »
The Russians were supposedly way ahead of the US and yet they obviously messed up somewhere and the US sneaked in and went straight to the moon, all within the decade Kennedy predicted.
The Americans only accelerated their space program because of Sputnik 1.  No other reason.  Well, other than the Cold war.

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The US had the means to fake the moon missions, Hollywood style (for those days) and the perfect man to implement it all in Kubrick.
I'm sorry, but you may have forgotten your medication today?  What next?  A secret stage set in a deserted WWII aircraft hangar in Area 51 where they hid the bodies from Roswell?

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If you look deeper into it all it will all make sense.
I seriously believe you should follow some of your own advice.
That's fine, Geoff, you're entitled to your opinion. I'll never share it but that doesn't mean you aren't entitled to it.

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« Reply #648 on: March 01, 2014, 12:28:12 PM »
If you cannot think of any reasons then just accept it as that. I won't add anything to it, it would be absolutely pointless.

I'm not going to let you get away with that feeble non-answer my friend.

You said previously (and I quote) "I can think of three very good reasons as to why..."

So, what exactly are those three reasons?

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« Reply #649 on: March 01, 2014, 12:31:05 PM »
If you cannot think of any reasons then just accept it as that. I won't add anything to it, it would be absolutely pointless.

I'm not going to let you get away with that feeble non-answer my friend.

You said previously (and I quote) "I can think of three very good reasons as to why..."

So, what exactly are those three reasons?
You don't need to know, because you cannot think of any reasons, so let's leave it at that. I won't waste my time giving you the reasons, for you to simply go into another frenzy. Sorry Geoff but you really need to learn how to play the game.

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« Reply #650 on: March 01, 2014, 12:33:06 PM »
If earth is a sphere, how come people on the bottom don't fall off? Can someone fucking explain that?

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« Reply #651 on: March 01, 2014, 12:34:36 PM »
If earth is a sphere, how come people on the bottom don't fall off? Can someone fucking explain that?
How would you like it explained?

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« Reply #652 on: March 01, 2014, 12:36:09 PM »
If earth is a sphere, how come people on the bottom don't fall off? Can someone fucking explain that?
Gravity!!! Look it up!!! Keep the language clean!

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« Reply #653 on: March 01, 2014, 12:39:24 PM »
If earth is a sphere, how come people on the bottom don't fall off? Can someone fucking explain that?
Just when I thought this train wreck couldn't get any worse..
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« Reply #654 on: March 01, 2014, 12:45:24 PM »
Ok, Geoff, if there is no evidence given in this 600 plus post topic, then just accept it for that, if that's how you feel. I'm easy with that thought.
I wasn't actually putting it up for your benefit. More the benefit of those looking in that don't feel under any pressure in their view of it, so can make up their own minds and maybe delve further to find out the truth. that's good enough for me.

I'm guessing by now that it's become more than obvious to most people here that your main (only?) defensive tactic when faced with insurmountable opposition is (amongst a truckload of other tripe) to write out some rambling, totally irrelevant fictional story (like your mystery gunman above) in a desperate effort to both obfuscate the thrust of the argument, but —more importantly—to avoid specifically answering direct questions.

Your responses are generally all lightweight flim-flam, with no actual meaningful content.  You repeatedly impugn other people's intelligence, and claim that we're all dupes that've been totally conned by somebody you can't name, and for some reasons you can't specify.

You like to blow your own trumpet continuously, and brag about how smart you are compared to other people who're unable to see the frauds and lies and misrepresentations.  You the make a big deal of writing them off as being mere robots in the system, whereas you have the intellect and insight to see the unadulterated truth.

You're a sanctimonious, arrogant, patronising and ignorant loser in reality.  I'm also guessing that you actually believe all the bullshit you fill these forums with, and you probably also think you're smart enough to one day rule the world, and really show all us ignoramuses just how pitifully stupid we are.

I strongly suggest that  read up on the "Dunning-Kruger syndrome".  You appear to satisfy its diagnosis perfectly.

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« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2014, 01:00:48 PM »
If you cannot think of any reasons then just accept it as that. I won't add anything to it, it would be absolutely pointless.

I'm not going to let you get away with that feeble non-answer my friend.

You said previously (and I quote) "I can think of three very good reasons as to why..."

So, what exactly are those three reasons?
You don't need to know, because you cannot think of any reasons, so let's leave it at that. I won't waste my time giving you the reasons, for you to simply go into another frenzy. Sorry Geoff but you really need to learn how to play the game.

Ha, ha... this is so typical of sceptimatic's response when confronted with a question he can't answer.  He now claims that I "don't need to know" what those three reasons are, despite my telling him I knew not what they were.  So now his sheer arrogance has him deciding what I should know and what I don't need to know?  Does his conceit know no bounds?

He also regards answering my question as "wasting his time".  Oh dear; I'm so sorry your lordship.  I beg your pardon.  But what sort of pompous prat says this sort of thing in real life?  Only someone who's backed into a corner?  Or someone with the intellectual capacity of an earthworm?

He also loves accusing his opponents of "going into a frenzy" if he does give them the answers to their questions.  So to save that frenzy, in his wisdom, he chooses not to give any answer.  Golly gee whiz sceptimatic; thank you so much for considering my mental health; I really do appreciate your concern.  Nothing worse in this world than a "frenzy" is there?

Anyway... we've now ascertained that—yet againsceptimatic has avoided answering the simplest of questions.

One is left to assume, on this basis, that he cannot.  End of story.

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« Reply #656 on: March 01, 2014, 01:08:01 PM »
Scepti - since you stated on another thread that you lived in North Korea until you moved to the UK at 17, would it be fair to assume your hatred for the US organisation NASA stems from educational indoctrination? I mean we all know how much North Korea loves the yanks.
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« Reply #657 on: March 01, 2014, 03:30:31 PM »
Scepti - since you stated on another thread that you lived in North Korea until you moved to the UK at 17, would it be fair to assume your hatred for the US organisation NASA stems from educational indoctrination? I mean we all know how much North Korea loves the yanks.
If you would like to discuss my life can you put a topic in the lounge or angry rant section. I merely mention angry rant, because that's a better place to put it for when people do not like my answers and they can happily slaughter me without ruining the topics in the upper forums.

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« Reply #658 on: March 01, 2014, 03:37:46 PM »
Scepti - since you stated on another thread that you lived in North Korea until you moved to the UK at 17, would it be fair to assume your hatred for the US organisation NASA stems from educational indoctrination? I mean we all know how much North Korea loves the yanks.
If you would like to discuss my life can you put a topic in the lounge or angry rant section. I merely mention angry rant, because that's a better place to put it for when people do not like my answers and they can happily slaughter me without ruining the topics in the upper forums.
I lost count of the number of times you attack other people with assumptions of indoctrination, educational bias and being victims of brain washing yet I am not allowed to bring up the same things in a question directed at you?
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Re: At sceptimatic's request...
« Reply #659 on: March 01, 2014, 03:40:00 PM »
Scepti - since you stated on another thread that you lived in North Korea until you moved to the UK at 17, would it be fair to assume your hatred for the US organisation NASA stems from educational indoctrination? I mean we all know how much North Korea loves the yanks.
If you would like to discuss my life can you put a topic in the lounge or angry rant section. I merely mention angry rant, because that's a better place to put it for when people do not like my answers and they can happily slaughter me without ruining the topics in the upper forums.
I lost count of the number of times you attack other people with assumptions of indoctrination, educational bias and being victims of brain washing yet I am not allowed to bring up the same things in a question directed at you?
Of course you're allowed. I was just merely saying that if you want answers on this stuff then would you do it in the lounge or angry ranting, for the reasons stated earlier.