At sceptimatic's request...

The internet really needed this thread.

Carry on.

Yours

A Frenzied Debunker.

Given the wheels are basically chicken wire, that may also screw with the shadows.. (maybe?)

Still, I don't think there's anything out of the ordinary.

Really, and you know this how?

The dust on the moon's surface in certain locales could be likened to talcum powder.  It's also subject to electrostatic levitation due to its tiny particulate size of less than 10 microns (10 millionths of a metre).

Both the US and Russia have returned samples to earth.

A typical grain of beach sand measures around 900 microns, or 90 times that of a particle on the moon's surface.

Because it very well could be a model.

As you seem to be getting almost paranoid about "proving" that this image is bogus, maybe you could tell us what this has—specifically—to do with proving that the earth is flat.

And please don't just say all this moon stuff—and including the round earth—is NASA disinformation.  That's an all too easy cop-out. 

Two further photos from the sequence may suggest the wheel was sat on a ridge.

Excellent images, and irrefutable evidence that the rover's wheel is in fact sitting on a narrow localised ridge.
 

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 02:47:12 AM

Two further photos from the sequence may suggest the wheel was sat on a ridge.

Excellent images, and irrefutable evidence that the rover's wheel is in fact sitting on a narrow localised ridge.

The reality is always so mundane!  oh well.. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:50:28 AM

Because it very well could be a model.

As you seem to be getting almost paranoid about "proving" that this image is bogus, maybe you could tell us what this has—specifically—to do with proving that the earth is flat.

And please don't just say all this moon stuff—and including the round earth—is NASA disinformation.  That's an all too easy cop-out.

To be fair geoff this thread wasn't supposed to be about the shape of the earth, more a contained debate purely on the "nasa hoax".

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

To be fair geoff this thread wasn't supposed to be about the shape of the earth, more a contained debate purely on the "nasa hoax".

Point taken.   

But then has this FE forum ever pretended to include the concept of fair play LOL.

I guess I see the repeated attempts by the FEs to discredit the NASA moon programs as being bogus as simply a ploy to further enhance their claims that the NASA images taken from the various space platforms showing a spherical earth are also—by conflation—also bogus.
 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 01:50:28 AM

Because it very well could be a model.

As you seem to be getting almost paranoid about "proving" that this image is bogus, maybe you could tell us what this has—specifically—to do with proving that the earth is flat.

And please don't just say all this moon stuff—and including the round earth—is NASA disinformation.  That's an all too easy cop-out.

You seem very defensive. Geoff. Are you wearing your , I LOVE N.A.S.A  T'shirt or something?

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

You lot aren't being open to discussion. You have all went into debunk mode, immediately. It's ok. I mean, I didn't expect anything else...but let me explain myself.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing. Will the N.A.S.A lovers accept it? No, they won't, EVER.
Do I know this? Of course I know this.
Do I care? Of course not.

What's my point then?
My main point is to show those who are looking in, two things.

1. To show them that it's all fake in a way that even they can see.

2. To show them that there will always be frenzied debunking by those that are in love with N.A.S.A.

Those that say someone is in love with an organisation have run out of reasons to put forward for their belief.

Two further photos from the sequence may suggest the wheel was sat on a ridge:

No rebuttal? No suprise there.. Great let's move on to your next damning piece of evidence.

Those that say someone is in love with an organisation have run out of reasons to put forward for their belief.

Well if that's the case, take a nice rest and consider yourself content that your mission is complete. Did you actually add anything to this topic, other than this? I can't be bothered to look back. 

You seem very defensive. Geoff. Are you wearing your , I LOVE N.A.S.A  T'shirt or something?

I certainly give you kudos for repeatedly avoiding answering any questions LOL.  Well done!

Can I ask you why you doggedly regard NASA with such suspicion, and rebut all their research results out of hand?  You've yet to provide any viable evidence proving unequivocally that NASA is carrying on fraudulent activities using US taxpayer funding.  You've voiced lots of personal doubts about their legitimacy, but so far haven't provided us with one single reference that proves anything to the contrary.

Why is this?  Do you not have any evidence that could stand up to assessment and debate here?
 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:19:52 AM

You seem very defensive. Geoff. Are you wearing your , I LOVE N.A.S.A  T'shirt or something?

I certainly give you kudos for repeatedly avoiding answering any questions LOL.  Well done!

Can I ask you why you doggedly regard NASA with such suspicion, and rebut all their research results out of hand?  You've yet to provide any viable evidence proving unequivocally that NASA is carrying on fraudulent activities using US taxpayer funding.  You've voiced lots of personal doubts about their legitimacy, but so far haven't provided us with one single reference that proves anything to the contrary.

Why is this?  Do you not have any evidence that could stand up to assessment and debate here?

Huge amounts! Will they be looked at and accepted by you and your friends? Nope! Not a chance.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing.

You do realise that you're leaving yourself wide open by saying this don't you?

What single "fact" do you possess that millions of scientists the world over are not party too that proves the moon landings were fake?

And what do you mean by you "can prove it", and you're "doing" so?  Please explain, as I've not seen anything you've posted here supporting this assertion.
 

 
 

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:48:00 AM

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

You lot aren't being open to discussion. You have all went into debunk mode, immediately. It's ok. I mean, I didn't expect anything else...but let me explain myself.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing. Will the N.A.S.A lovers accept it? No, they won't, EVER.
Do I know this? Of course I know this.
Do I care? Of course not.

What's my point then?
My main point is to show those who are looking in, two things.

1. To show them that it's all fake in a way that even they can see.

2. To show them that there will always be frenzied debunking by those that are in love with N.A.S.A.

You know for a fact?

If that's the case, why waste your time posting on here, you surely must be way to important for us mere mortals..

You say you can prove it.. well.. prove it then...

Otherwise we may think that you're just a twerp who thinks way too highly of himself.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:27:01 AM

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing.

You do realise that you're leaving yourself wide open by saying this don't you?

What single "fact" do you possess that millions of scientists the world over are not party too that proves the moon landings were fake?

And what do you mean by you "can prove it", and you're "doing" so?  Please explain, as I've not seen anything you've posted here supporting this assertion.

Geoff! I'm well aware that I cannot prove it to you and your forum mates. I'm not naive enough to ever believe that any of you will critically look at any evidence, except to critically look for a debunk.

If I put a (for instance) a taped interview of Neil Armstrong admitting that it was all faked, from his owm mouth, you would say it was doctored footage. lol
It doesn't take long to learn how you people work, Geoff.

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 25, 2014, 04:56:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:27:01 AM

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing.

You do realise that you're leaving yourself wide open by saying this don't you?

What single "fact" do you possess that millions of scientists the world over are not party too that proves the moon landings were fake?

And what do you mean by you "can prove it", and you're "doing" so?  Please explain, as I've not seen anything you've posted here supporting this assertion.

Geoff! I'm well aware that I cannot prove it to you and your forum mates. I'm not naive enough to ever believe that any of you will critically look at any evidence, except to critically look for a debunk.

If I put a (for instance) a taped interview of Neil Armstrong admitting that it was all faked, from his owm mouth, you would say it was doctored footage. lol
It doesn't take long to learn how you people work, Geoff.

 

There's so much irony there that I literally don't know where to begin! lol 

Gold!

I certainly give you kudos for repeatedly avoiding answering any questions LOL.  Well done!

Can I ask you why you doggedly regard NASA with such suspicion, and rebut all their research results out of hand?  You've yet to provide any viable evidence proving unequivocally that NASA is carrying on fraudulent activities using US taxpayer funding.  You've voiced lots of personal doubts about their legitimacy, but so far haven't provided us with one single reference that proves anything to the contrary.

Why is this?  Do you not have any evidence that could stand up to assessment and debate here?

Huge amounts! Will they be looked at and accepted by you and your friends? Nope! Not a chance.

I'd be pleased to see (at least some of) that evidence, and I can assure you that I won't dismiss it out of hand.  And I'll be more than happy to give you my considered and detailed opinion about its likelihood and/or veracity, and without resorting to put-downs or ridicule.  I don't work that way.

The ball is now in your court my friend. 
 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:27:01 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:48:00 AM

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

You lot aren't being open to discussion. You have all went into debunk mode, immediately. It's ok. I mean, I didn't expect anything else...but let me explain myself.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing. Will the N.A.S.A lovers accept it? No, they won't, EVER.
Do I know this? Of course I know this.
Do I care? Of course not.

What's my point then?
My main point is to show those who are looking in, two things.

1. To show them that it's all fake in a way that even they can see.

2. To show them that there will always be frenzied debunking by those that are in love with N.A.S.A.

You know for a fact?

If that's the case, why waste your time posting on here, you surely must be way to important for us mere mortals..

You say you can prove it.. well.. prove it then...

Otherwise we may think that you're just a twerp who thinks way too highly of himself.

I don't care what you think of me , Spanky. You can type out a million word story on what you think I am and I'll just come right back and smile at you. 
All you're doing by doing this, is getting yourself over excited and then frustrated. Soon you will be telling me I'm on ignore, then still responding. Then you'll start crying. Then you'll ask how to complain about me. Then you'll be told to ask for a ban on me by putting it into suggestions and concerns, or directly pmmming an admin or mod.....won't he Geoff? Tell him, Geoff.

Geoff! I'm well aware that I cannot prove it to you and your forum mates.

Thank you.  Finally.

I rest my case m'lud.   
 

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I certainly give you kudos for repeatedly avoiding answering any questions LOL.  Well done!

Can I ask you why you doggedly regard NASA with such suspicion, and rebut all their research results out of hand?  You've yet to provide any viable evidence proving unequivocally that NASA is carrying on fraudulent activities using US taxpayer funding.  You've voiced lots of personal doubts about their legitimacy, but so far haven't provided us with one single reference that proves anything to the contrary.

Why is this?  Do you not have any evidence that could stand up to assessment and debate here?

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Huge amounts! Will they be looked at and accepted by you and your friends? Nope! Not a chance.

I'd be pleased to see (at least some of) that evidence, and I can assure you that I won't dismiss it out of hand.  And I'll be more than happy to give you my considered and detailed opinion about its likelihood and/or veracity, and without resorting to put-downs or ridicule.  I don't work that way.

The ball is now in your court my friend.

Don't worry, Geoff, I'll still be putting it all in. Not for your benefit as such...but for the benefit of those who view with an open mind or those who suspect it was all a big money making con job.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:01:40 AM

Geoff! I'm well aware that I cannot prove it to you and your forum mates.

Thank you.  Finally.

I rest my case m'lud.   

Proving it to you and your mates is a no hoper. Rest your case, there's no need for you to take any further part with me, your job is done, Geoff. 

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 04:58:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:27:01 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:48:00 AM

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

You lot aren't being open to discussion. You have all went into debunk mode, immediately. It's ok. I mean, I didn't expect anything else...but let me explain myself.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing. Will the N.A.S.A lovers accept it? No, they won't, EVER.
Do I know this? Of course I know this.
Do I care? Of course not.

What's my point then?
My main point is to show those who are looking in, two things.

1. To show them that it's all fake in a way that even they can see.

2. To show them that there will always be frenzied debunking by those that are in love with N.A.S.A.

You know for a fact?

If that's the case, why waste your time posting on here, you surely must be way to important for us mere mortals..

You say you can prove it.. well.. prove it then...

Otherwise we may think that you're just a twerp who thinks way too highly of himself.

I don't care what you think of me , Spanky. You can type out a million word story on what you think I am and I'll just come right back and smile at you. 
All you're doing by doing this, is getting yourself over excited and then frustrated. Soon you will be telling me I'm on ignore, then still responding. Then you'll start crying. Then you'll ask how to complain about me. Then you'll be told to ask for a ban on me by putting it into suggestions and concerns, or directly pmmming an admin or mod.....won't he Geoff? Tell him, Geoff.

Wow... you are a unit aren't you.. lol 

Lets set the record straight.. My dog's name is Spanky. My name is Dave.  Or SirSpankalot to you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 04:58:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:27:01 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:48:00 AM

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

You lot aren't being open to discussion. You have all went into debunk mode, immediately. It's ok. I mean, I didn't expect anything else...but let me explain myself.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing. Will the N.A.S.A lovers accept it? No, they won't, EVER.
Do I know this? Of course I know this.
Do I care? Of course not.

What's my point then?
My main point is to show those who are looking in, two things.

1. To show them that it's all fake in a way that even they can see.

2. To show them that there will always be frenzied debunking by those that are in love with N.A.S.A.

You know for a fact?

If that's the case, why waste your time posting on here, you surely must be way to important for us mere mortals..

You say you can prove it.. well.. prove it then...

Otherwise we may think that you're just a twerp who thinks way too highly of himself.

I don't care what you think of me , Spanky. You can type out a million word story on what you think I am and I'll just come right back and smile at you. 
All you're doing by doing this, is getting yourself over excited and then frustrated. Soon you will be telling me I'm on ignore, then still responding. Then you'll start crying. Then you'll ask how to complain about me. Then you'll be told to ask for a ban on me by putting it into suggestions and concerns, or directly pmmming an admin or mod.....won't he Geoff? Tell him, Geoff.

Wow... you are a unit aren't you.. lol 

Lets set the record straight.. My dog's name is Spanky. My name is Dave.  Or SirSpankalot to you.

You're Spanky to me. Accept it or change your forum name. 

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 05:10:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 04:58:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 04:27:01 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:48:00 AM

Scepti, you are asking us to be open to discussion.  We are asking the same from you.  You seem to be automatically in hoax mode.  You don't appear to even consider anything but a hoax.  You bring a photo in and say look at this!!! We look at it and give reasons for it being that way.  You appear not even to give your point of view a second look.  You don't even give a counter to the reasons given, just that we are set in debunk mode.

You lot aren't being open to discussion. You have all went into debunk mode, immediately. It's ok. I mean, I didn't expect anything else...but let me explain myself.

I know for a fact that no man has landed on the moon. It's all fake. Can I prove it? Yes, I can and am doing. Will the N.A.S.A lovers accept it? No, they won't, EVER.
Do I know this? Of course I know this.
Do I care? Of course not.

What's my point then?
My main point is to show those who are looking in, two things.

1. To show them that it's all fake in a way that even they can see.

2. To show them that there will always be frenzied debunking by those that are in love with N.A.S.A.

You know for a fact?

If that's the case, why waste your time posting on here, you surely must be way to important for us mere mortals..

You say you can prove it.. well.. prove it then...

Otherwise we may think that you're just a twerp who thinks way too highly of himself.

I don't care what you think of me , Spanky. You can type out a million word story on what you think I am and I'll just come right back and smile at you. 
All you're doing by doing this, is getting yourself over excited and then frustrated. Soon you will be telling me I'm on ignore, then still responding. Then you'll start crying. Then you'll ask how to complain about me. Then you'll be told to ask for a ban on me by putting it into suggestions and concerns, or directly pmmming an admin or mod.....won't he Geoff? Tell him, Geoff.

Wow... you are a unit aren't you.. lol 

Lets set the record straight.. My dog's name is Spanky. My name is Dave.  Or SirSpankalot to you.

You're Spanky to me. Accept it or change your forum name. 

 

There's so much irony there that I literally don't know where to begin! lol 

Gold!

I can only share your amusement at the knots our friend sceptimatic has tied himself up in!

In one breath he claims to have irrefutable evidence that proves without any doubt that the NASA moon landings were all bogus.

Then in the next breath (when asked for a reference to that alleged evidence), he says there's no point in posting it as we'd simply laugh at it regardless.  So apparently he's gonna keep it secret for some bizarre reason, and thereby make it totally valueless as a debating tool that could advance his case.

Unbelievable.  Talk about shooting oneself in the foot LOL.
 

Any danger of getting back on track with discussing some evidence?