An RE'r threw this argument at me... What do I say?

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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2014, 03:10:01 PM »
lol, I answered a question and you try to say I am derailing.  Then, you ask something that is off topic.  Do you not see the hypocrisy? 

Anyway, sense you asked, here is a link to a list of dozens of theories about gravity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Theories_of_gravitation

Uh... how exactly do you figure I asked an off-topic question when it was YOU who first mentioned "gravity" by saying "some say that Gravity is a particle.  Some say it is an energy.  Some say it is bendy space-time"?  You really need to read back over your earlier posts mate before making a bit more of a fool of yourself eh?

And how is it that most flat earthers refuse to accept Wikipedia as a credible reference whenever it's cited by a round earther, but now, suddenly, it seems a perfectly legitimate source to be citing by a flat earther?  Which is it gonna be in future jroa?  Wikipedia is an acceptable reference for round earthers to cite, or it's not?  Please let us know—and maybe also tell your other flat earth pals of this decision also, as they're obviously confused.

At any rate jroa, I'm not gonna accept your Wiki reference as it is anyway, as you don't/can't even understand 99% of those scientific terms yourself LOL.  I wanted you to do some actual... um... research of your own on the subject.  And not give me link I first read years ago duh.
 

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« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2014, 03:19:23 PM »
I mentioned gravity as an example where your scientists do not agree with each other, which was totally in the context of the discussion. 

Who claimed that you can not learn something from Wikipedia? 

Also, what is it that I do not understand about science?  I would like to know. 

Re: An RE'r threw this argument at me... What do I say?
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2014, 03:21:15 PM »
I mentioned gravity as an example where your scientists do not agree with each other, which was totally in the context of the discussion. 

Who claimed that you can not learn something from Wikipedia? 

Also, what is it that I do not understand about science?  I would like to know.
Who is this 'your', why do you use the word?  Are there some that belong to you, if so, please name them.

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« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2014, 03:24:23 PM »
If they belonged to me, I would have said mine, not your.  Don't you know how words work? 

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« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2014, 03:32:31 PM »
If they belonged to me, I would have said mine, not your.  Don't you know how words work?
Why not just 'scientists', what are you implying?

ps who are yours, belonging to you.

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« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2014, 03:45:17 PM »
Who is this 'your', why do you use the word?  Are there some that belong to you, if so, please name them.


jroa likes to use these sorts of pejorative terms in an attempt to denigrate contemporary scientists.  You'll notice that a lot of flat earthers also refer to round earthers as "you people" for similar reasons.  It's quite funny actually because it's so obvious.

And if you seriously expect jroa to name a few of "their" scientists, you'll be growing a long grey beard waiting for an answer.  I've asked numerous times for jroa, or any other flat earther, to name half a dozen living, academically accredited scientists who accept the flat earth model, and thus far it just ain't happened LOL.  And it never will because there are none.
 

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« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2014, 03:51:03 PM »
First you asked us to name one FE scientist.  Then, when we gave you that, you changed it to some flat Earth scientists.  Now, you have raised it to a half dozen.  You seem like you are hanging on by your last straw. 

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« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2014, 04:06:56 PM »
First you asked us to name one FE scientist.  Then, when we gave you that, you changed it to some flat Earth scientists.  Now, you have raised it to a half dozen.  You seem like you are hanging on by your last straw.

Uh... do you seriously believe that by naming one, single scientist who you allege accepts the flat earth model—out of a pool of 6,000,000—that it proves the earth is flat?  Really?

If that's the case, I have a nice, freshly painted bridge I can sell you jroa.   ;D

BTW: Please refresh my memory.  I can't find the post with his/her name in it.

(And I'm also assuming from your response that you can't name half a dozen "flat earth scientists"?  Would that be a correct assumption?)
 

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« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2014, 04:12:06 PM »
His name is George Vanderduur.  Is your Google broken? 

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« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2014, 04:21:33 PM »
His name is George Vanderduur.  Is your Google broken?

Wrong on both counts jroa.  Sorry mate.

His name is George Vanderkuur, and he most definitely accepts that the earth IS an oblate spheroid.  He has a B.Sc. in Physics and would laugh you out the door with your flat earth theories.

So where are your other five scientists who allegedly accept the flat earth model?
 
 

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« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2014, 04:24:41 PM »
Yes, I made a typo.  I am man enough to admit it.  Can you provide any evidence that he in fact believes the Earth is round?

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« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2014, 04:58:49 PM »
Can you provide any evidence that he in fact believes the Earth is round?

Nope.  I have no need to.  You're the person proposing that the earth is flat, therefore it's your task to prove that George Vanderkuur believes that the earth is flat.  He's effectively your expert witness to (hopefully) prove your case, therefore the onus of proof lies with you.

But at any rate, he's definitely a round earther.  Check out the teacher's notes for that spoof video HERE.

You'll see that they say in part "George Vanderkuur, Scientist (“one of many scientists” supporting a flat earth)
Using plumb bob to build tall buildings, opposite sides point to center of Earth would be further apart at
top than at bottom.
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Note the quotes around "one of many scientists".  This was part of the spoof, as it's a fabrication meant to mislead the kids.
 

Re: An RE'r threw this argument at me... What do I say?
« Reply #72 on: April 05, 2014, 05:06:41 PM »
If they belonged to me, I would have said mine, not your.  Don't you know how words work?
I wasn't aware I owned any scientists.  When did this happen?
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« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2014, 05:07:19 PM »
Can you provide any evidence that he in fact believes the Earth is round?

Nope.  I have no need to.  You're the person proposing that the earth is flat, therefore it's your task to prove that George Vanderkuur believes that the earth is flat.  He's effectively your expert witness to (hopefully) prove your case, therefore the onus of proof lies with you.

But at any rate, he's definitely a round earther.  Check out the teacher's notes for that spoof video HERE.

You'll see that they say in part "George Vanderkuur, Scientist (“one of many scientists” supporting a flat earth)
Using plumb bob to build tall buildings, opposite sides point to center of Earth would be further apart at
top than at bottom.
"

Note the quotes around "one of many scientists".  This was part of the spoof, as it's a fabrication meant to mislead the kids.
 

So, you got nothing then, am I right?

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« Reply #74 on: April 05, 2014, 05:08:21 PM »
If they belonged to me, I would have said mine, not your.  Don't you know how words work?
I wasn't aware I owned any scientists.  When did this happen?

Stop owning free men, jerk. We are all created equal. 

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« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2014, 03:40:21 PM »
You can't hold the flat Earthers to any less standards than you do for your scientists.

We do because different theories in our scientific community come with at least some peer reviewed evidence or statistics. Your theories come with out of date text and things people on here have made up....
"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way." -  Stevie Wonder, 1972

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« Reply #76 on: April 06, 2014, 04:45:08 PM »
The easiest reply is to challenge him.

Say, "Well, have you done it?"

You cannot buy tickets from Amsterdam to Amsterdam so I think there's a conspiracy...
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« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2014, 04:57:03 PM »
The easiest reply is to challenge him.

Say, "Well, have you done it?"

You cannot buy tickets from Amsterdam to Amsterdam so I think there's a conspiracy...

Yes, because it'd be soooo wrong of a company to charge you money to stay in the city you're already in. What you could do, is continue to pick cities just east or west of where you're at. For instance, start in New York city. Fly to chicago, then fly to LA, then to say japan, then moscow, then london, and finally back to NYC

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« Reply #78 on: April 06, 2014, 05:20:31 PM »
You can't hold the flat Earthers to any less standards than you do for your scientists.

We do because different theories in our scientific community come with at least some peer reviewed evidence or statistics. Your theories come with out of date text and things people on here have made up....

Please show us some evidence of string theory.  Oh, what is that?  There is no evidence?  It is just a theory? 

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« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2014, 05:52:05 PM »
You can't hold the flat Earthers to any less standards than you do for your scientists.

We do because different theories in our scientific community come with at least some peer reviewed evidence or statistics. Your theories come with out of date text and things people on here have made up....

Please show us some evidence of string theory.  Oh, what is that?  There is no evidence?  It is just a theory?
What do know about string theory?

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« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2014, 05:57:51 PM »
It is a theory with no evidence. 

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« Reply #81 on: April 06, 2014, 06:07:07 PM »
It is a theory with no evidence.
No true. It is an excepted theory with excepted evidence. You probably don't understand what that means.

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« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2014, 06:13:29 PM »
I expect the Earth to be flat.  Checkmate. 

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« Reply #83 on: April 06, 2014, 06:16:15 PM »
I expect the Earth to be flat.  Checkmate.
What you are saying then there is no evidence the earth is flat. Checkmate!

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« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2014, 06:17:40 PM »
You are the one who brought up that the scientists expect something. 

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« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2014, 06:24:11 PM »
You are the one who brought up that the scientists expect something.
I said excepted not expected.

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« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2014, 06:28:27 PM »
Did you mean accepted? 

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« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2014, 03:57:35 AM »
It is a theory with no evidence.

Nope.  You're (as you usually do) confusing a "theory" with some sort of physically observable entity.  You simply refuse to acknowledge what "evidence" is in its simplest form.   This is why you're unable to comprehend the theory of gravity.  Scientific theories are commonly defined by the phenomena they produce—such as an apple falling to the ground due to gravitational forces.  An apple always falls to the ground anywhere on the planet, and has for millions of years.  This phenomena is infinitely replicable, and because of this proves that the current scientific definition of gravity is correct.  The physical phenomenon is all that's necessary to prove the theory of gravity.

Presumably, you happily accept the theories of magnetism, electricity and radioactivity?  Why then reject gravity?  Or string theory?

In simple layman's terms, string theory says that all the particles in the universe are really little "strings", rather than as the conventional "ball-shapes" they were normally thought of.  Unlike the balls (or more accurately, points) which are zero-dimensional, strings are one-dimensional. 

The four forces string theory conflates are the electromagnetic force, the strong and weak nuclear force and gravity. String theory is known for uniting both the physical laws of the large (Einstein's general relativity—stars, planets, and people) and the small (quantum mechanics—subatomic particles), which were previously incompatible.

Short for super sting theory, current M-theory is an extension of string theory, in which 11 dimensions of spacetime are identified as 7 higher-dimensions plus the four dimensions in Euclidean space.

But this is not the place to talk in depth about string theory.  You'll just have to accept that thousands of scientists the world over accept its premises, and are working on elaborating its agency. 

—Whereas round earthers are still citing Samuel Rowbotham's fairy stories LOL.

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« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2014, 05:03:00 AM »
You can't hold the flat Earthers to any less standards than you do for your scientists.

We do because different theories in our scientific community come with at least some peer reviewed evidence or statistics. Your theories come with out of date text and things people on here have made up....

Please show us some evidence of string theory.
Why?   What's that got to do anything?  Makes a change from your obession with dark matter, at least.

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  Oh, what is that?  There is no evidence?  It is just a theory?
Actually, many scientists don't think it makes it as scientific theory - as it does not make falisfiable predictions.  Someone even wrote a book about it called Not Even Wrong.  It could be called a mathematical framework, rather than a theory.

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« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2014, 06:23:12 AM »


Please show us some evidence of string theory.  Oh, what is that?  There is no evidence?  It is just a theory?
I posted this yesterday jroa, but you may have missed it:

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So where are your other five scientists who allegedly accept the flat earth model?

Have you found any more names yet?