REs Please Explain

I've noticed there is no standard of which direction the Earth tilts in diagrams I've seen.  They always show the sun in the middle but sometimes the Earth tilts to the right and sometimes to the left.  This undoubtedly would effect how the sun is seen throughout the seasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

It wouldn't make any sense to say it tilts in a specific direction. It changes for everyone depending on the time of day and the time of year.

Always pointing at the north star and yet the southern pole goes on a year long wibble wobble around the sun. 

I've noticed there is no standard of which direction the Earth tilts in diagrams I've seen.  They always show the sun in the middle but sometimes the Earth tilts to the right and sometimes to the left.  This undoubtedly would effect how the sun is seen throughout the seasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

Where's the fun in always looking at things from the same angle? Here's a quote from the Wikipedia page you linked: "The axis of a planet remains oriented in the same direction with reference to the background stars regardless of where it is in its orbit.", which is why Polaris appears to stay in the one place all year round for those in the Northern Hemisphere, as does Sigma Octantis in the Southern hemisphere. Different diagrams show tilt in different directions (but always the same amount) because they can. It's just like looking at a car from different angles: left side; right side; front; rear; quartering views.

Always pointing at the north star and yet the southern pole goes on a year long wibble wobble around the sun. 

See above re Sigma Octantis. Once again scepti, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've noticed there is no standard of which direction the Earth tilts in diagrams I've seen.  They always show the sun in the middle but sometimes the Earth tilts to the right and sometimes to the left.  This undoubtedly would effect how the sun is seen throughout the seasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

Yes, the direction of the earth's tilt, relative to the sun, pretty much defines the seasons.  Good to see that you're finally starting to understand.

Really, what is wrong with it?

It is showing the north tilt facing the sun in June and tilting away in December.

It is like looking at a car so the front is to the left, then walking around and looking at the same car so the front is now on the right.

Not sure why you are having a hard time with this.

Always pointing at the north star and yet the southern pole goes on a year long wibble wobble around the sun. 

Please stop with your nonsense. No one has said the north pole points directly at the north star. In fact it cannot. Why?

Because Polaris is not a single star. "It is a multiple star, consisting of the main star α UMi Aa, two smaller companions, α UMi B and α UMi Ab, and two distant components α UMi C and α UMi D".

The north pole appears to always point to Polaris because it lies in a nearly direct line with Earth's north pole and is about 434 light years away.

I don't think you guys understand.  I mean THE POLE TILT
Please look:
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/f0yp.jpg/

I was also referring to the pole tilt. Picture the earth's orbit as a compass rose, with the December solstice at the Northern point, and the September equinox at the Eastern point. Got that picture in your mind? Okay, assuming you have, the North pole always tilts to the North, all year 'round. This gives us the seasons, longer and shorter days depending on the time of year, the change in location of sunrise and sunset over the year, etc (note, these differences are less pronounced the closer you get to the equator, for reasons that may not be obvious to yourself; get yourself a good globe and a desk lamp, and study the effects of changing the direction in which the globe tilts relative to the lamp). In your first image, the diagram represents the view as it would be from the Western side of the earth's orbit, and in your second image, the view is from the Eastern side (with respect to my arbitrary naming of the points in the earth's orbit).

Hope that helped!

Sorry, that didn't help at all.

If it helps this is how it's suppose to look but I'm pretty sure this is wrong.

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  And I still don't think anyone understands my question. 

You're questioning why it's tilted one in some diagrams, and the opposite way in others, correct?

Excellent video, thanks.  But you're right, it's not the real Earth.  And I still don't think anyone understands my question. 

Well they say it wobbles to achieve the effect of the Sun moving on one hand yet they say it remains stable in relation to the background stars. So it's basically a Paradigm of Relativity where anything can mean anything and nothing is able to be tested in a verifiable way.

Or in the Oxford Standard Dictionary it means Science (Falsely So Called) is:

The absence of standards of absolute and universal application.

Please see my response about the car.

Say you are looking at a car and the front is pointing to the left.

You then walk around to the other side of the car and look at it.

OMG!!!!  The car is now pointing to the right.

Take an orange and a basketball.

Stick a toothpick in the orange and set it so the toothpick is tilting towards the basketball so that the basketball is to the left of the orange.  The toothpick is tilted left correct?

The basketball represents the sun and the orange represents the earth.

Walk around the setup to the other side so that the basketball is now on the right.

OMG!!!!! The orange is tilted to the right now!!!!!

NOt sure how you can't understand that which way the tilt is is dependant on which way you are looking at the system.

This is because left and right are dependant on the viewer and not the system.  Left and right change based on how YOU are looking at it.

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  And I still don't think anyone understands my question. 

You're questioning why it's tilted one in some diagrams, and the opposite way in others, correct?

Yes.

Ok that's easy.

If you view the US flag with the stars to the right, and the stripes to the left, is it backwards, or are you simply viewing it from the other side?

Or, plant a stick in the ground at an angle and pointed at something stationary.  View it so it's angled to the right.  Now walk around and view it from the other side.  Now it's angled to your left.

Just depends on where the point of view is coming from.

The Flag is Two-Faced meaning it will always have the stars closest to the Pole.

I understand the perspective thing.

I would hope so, what with your comments about whether or not others have taken geometry.

  But if you look at the continent of America on those links I posted, isn't it obvious that the U.S. tilts upward when the pole is to the left and it tilts downward when the pole is to the right? This would change how the sun is seen.  The left tilt jives with the Winter sun being in a Southern Arc but the right tilt would mean we'd see a Northern Arc in the Summer but we NEVER do.  The sun is always due East at sunrise and due West at sunset in the summer.

So I guess my new question is, do the continents tilt upward or downward?

It would change whether it's day or night, and what season, is being depicted for each position.

Also, when you upload images to imageshack, click on the 'direct link', copy, click on the picture tag icon above the smilies, paste the direct link between the image brackets, and this will all be much easier.

I don't think you guys understand.  I mean THE POLE TILT
Please look:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/n7z.gif/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/f0yp.jpg/

The first one is not supposed to represent looking down on the earth circling the sun below us but across so the top and bottom earths are front and back but then the earth itself is pictured from the view of looking flat on so that if it were a real photo the front earth would be obscuring the sun which would be obscuring the rear earth.

Earth is a Spaceship look at this and see if it answers your question.

http://www.wildheretic.com/heliocentric-theory-is-wrong-pt1/

Oh yes, I am quite familiar with that site.  Lots of good info.  It would do the REs (SEs ((Spherical Earthers)) as I call them) some good to read all the topics there. 

I understand now why it doesn't matter which direction the Earth's tilt faces.  But I just think it's nonsense that a sphere can be spinning around and moving through the vacuum of space and yet have a gas atmosphere that stays in tact with Earth.  Have we EVER seen that in a lab?  Not that I'm aware of.  On top of that most gasses are invisible.  I really do think the Earth and planets like Jupiter have transparent crystal or ice outer shells.  It's the only logical explanation.

  But I just think it's nonsense that a sphere can be spinning around and moving through the vacuum of space and yet have a gas atmosphere that stays in tact with Earth.  Have we EVER seen that in a lab?  Not t

Nobody has ever built a solar system in a lab, no.  We sort of don't need to - we live in one.

Oh yes, I am quite familiar with that site.  Lots of good info.  It would do the REs (SEs ((Spherical Earthers)) as I call them) some good to read all the topics there. 

I understand now why it doesn't matter which direction the Earth's tilt faces.  But I just think it's nonsense that a sphere can be spinning around and moving through the vacuum of space and yet have a gas atmosphere that stays in tact with Earth.  Have we EVER seen that in a lab?  Not that I'm aware of.  On top of that most gasses are invisible.  I really do think the Earth and planets like Jupiter have transparent crystal or ice outer shells.  It's the only logical explanation.

The Earth only makes logical sense if you figure that we are actually inside the Earth and that the Earth is not spinning but the Inner space (Called Outer Space due to misunderstanding by Scientist) is moving around in a circular orbit. There are 4 Pieces to the Earth which is our Universe and those four pieces are, 1. The Outer Earth, That is the Earth on the Other Side of Our Feet called the Garden of Eden, the Northern Inner Earth, that is the Earth we in the Northern Part of Earth and the Northern Inner Earth is bigger then the Southern Inner Earth because Earth is shaped like an egg with the top bigger then the bottom we are on the inside of this egg and we are held in place by the rotation of the Heavens pushing air down upon us so that we don't float off into space. Gravity doesn't exist as Earth doesn't turn or rotate because Earth is Concave it actually appears to be Flat and it could actually said to be flat but flat is actually slanted up at a 45 degree angle and there is 8 parts to complete the circuit. Understanding what flat means means that a Flat Earth is actually in harmony with Inner-Concave Earth theory as we live inside the Earth. If Earth were truly convex and spinning it would only have a very dense liquid gas atmosphere like The Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus or it would have almost no Atmosphere like Mars or the Moon. Fourth Part of Earth is called the Inner-Space or Outer Space which is also called the Heavens in this way Earth completes itself.

As the ball would not have sufficient mass to attract the gas, this would not be a sufficient experiment.

However, the multitude of pictures taken from space show that, in fact, the atmosphere does travel with the earth.

Oh yes, I am quite familiar with that site.  Lots of good info.  It would do the REs (SEs ((Spherical Earthers)) as I call them) some good to read all the topics there. 

I understand now why it doesn't matter which direction the Earth's tilt faces.  But I just think it's nonsense that a sphere can be spinning around and moving through the vacuum of space and yet have a gas atmosphere that stays in tact with Earth.  Have we EVER seen that in a lab?  Not that I'm aware of.  On top of that most gasses are invisible.  I really do think the Earth and planets like Jupiter have transparent crystal or ice outer shells.  It's the only logical explanation.

what is there OUTSIDE the atmosphere to STOP it spinning?

Laws of motion.

Jimmy,
You are missing the point.  A ball spinning with a colored gas, inside a vacuum will do just fine.

In a lab (outside the ISS anyway) the ball would be within a gravity field that woudl override any weak gravity it could produce and even out in space a small ball wouldn't have the gravitational pull to hold gas in any great quantity.

Ok... I've seen enough interesting ideas on this thread... So, a question to the FEers: how do seasons work in a flat Earth?

Oh yes, I am quite familiar with that site.  Lots of good info.  It would do the REs (SEs ((Spherical Earthers)) as I call them) some good to read all the topics there.

That particular site contains a wealth of scientific misinformation, errors of fact, misrepresentation, distortions, falsifications,  and just straight out lies.  I spent some time reading through it, and couldn't stop chuckling most of the time.

But I just think it's nonsense that a sphere can be spinning around and moving through the vacuum of space and yet have a gas atmosphere that stays intact with Earth.

 
This disbelief is because you don't fully understand the theory of gravity, and why our atmosphere "sticks" to the planet, rather than "sliding" over it (and producing massive wind fronts).

Have we EVER seen that in a lab?  Not that I'm aware of.

Not in a laboratory, no.  But we have seen it in a little kid's bedroom where he's playing with a spinning top, and which is leaning slightly one way or the other.  And yes;  there is a layer of air molecules travelling at the same speed as the skin of the top, (although due more to its surface coefficient of friction rather than the top's gravity field).
 

A ball spinning with a colored gas, inside a vacuum will do just fine.

Good, we live on one.

We don't have the capability to create all sorts of things in labs, that doesn't mean they don't exist.  Nobody has ever created Australia in a lab - that's no reason to doubt it's existence.

We don't have the capability to create all sorts of things in labs, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

I'm repeatedly amused that most flat earthers demand that us round earthers duplicate our theories of space and geophysics, and time and motion in a laboratory setting, but never offer as proof of their own theories any sort of similar scenario.

Nobody has ever created Australia in a lab - that's no reason to doubt it's existence.

Excellent.  That's from where I'm typing this LOL.

Once again Jimmy, you are missing the point.  You can't use the Earth as an example when that is the very thing in question.  You people need to face it, you have no proof other than your make believe videos and photos of the Earth from the ISS and moon.

Oh dear.  It's "you people" now?

Anyway... can you provide us with some irrefutable evidence that the photographic images taken from space, and showing a spherical planet, are in actuality faked, or bogus?  Or is this opinion just part of your personal "conspiracy theory" mindset, and with no actual evidence for your claims of "make believe" videos and photos?

I await your evidence of fraud.
 

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Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on February 01, 2014, 11:21:10 AM

A ball spinning with a colored gas, inside a vacuum will do just fine.

Good, we live on one.

We don't have the capability to create all sorts of things in labs, that doesn't mean they don't exist.  Nobody has ever created Australia in a lab - that's no reason to doubt it's existence.

Once again Jimmy, you are missing the point.  You can't use the Earth as an example when that is the very thing in question.  You people need to face it, you have no proof other than your make believe videos and photos of the Earth from the ISS and moon.

how about every other planet in the solar system then?

Oh yes, I am quite familiar with that site.  Lots of good info.  It would do the REs (SEs ((Spherical Earthers)) as I call them) some good to read all the topics there.

Yes, it certainly does some good. You know that laughing is good for your health, don'tcha?

Oh yes, I am quite familiar with that site.  Lots of good info.  It would do the REs (SEs ((Spherical Earthers)) as I call them) some good to read all the topics there.

A is some misunderstanding. B and C is downright ridiculous for anybody with some grasp of elementary school physics. C, actually, has the additional and amusing fact that it refers to Baumgartner while this jump comes with a plethora of pictures showing the spherical Earth. Either you accept the jump to be real, not fake, then accept it entirely. Or dismiss everything in space and with photos but then dismiss it completely and don't use it in your argumentation. D and E show a blatant ignorance of the topic it speaks about, especially E where it interprets experiments that actually prove the rotation of the Earth as if they were doing the opposite.