What about a telescope aimed at the horizon?

Post you quoted. Choice of bolded yours:

Quote from: Jairo on March 06, 2014, 05:38:52 PM

If the ship is already blocked from naked eye, it will still be blocked when magnified. A telescope just makes the image bigger; it doesn't make one see around corners.

And there is no curvature or corners, so I clearly don't understand your non sequitur, no.

So when something is visibly sinking beyond the horizon/waterline when compared to a view from closer and/or higher, then no amount of magnification will restore, or uncompress, it's height.  Is that what you're saying? 

If so, I guess that finally answers my question about whether or not the height of the bridge and hillside would 'restore' as magnification was increased from 1x.

Because, I have a professional career.  As you can understand, not everyone at my job believes the same way I do.  I don't want to be labeled as a nut at my work place, but here, I really don't care.  I would only answer a PM if I thought there was very little chance that the person sending it would be tied to my organization.  However, I don't know who any of these hundreds of Guests are that read these boards everyday.

Fair enough.

You know ausGeoff ,I find some of my female clients extremely attractive & arousing. That doesn't  mean I have to let that be known to them. they may not feel the same way. imposing ones feelings & views on anther in that frame work is inappropriate . Now if they were on a chat site it might be different in expressing ones views & feelings.

You sound creepy.

Quote from: jroa on March 08, 2014, 10:53:05 AM

Really?  I suppose you know more, desk jockey?

Is "desk jockey" and insult?

What do you do for a living now?

Before I retired, I used to work in civil/structural engineering and quantity surveying.

(PS:  In Australia "desk jockey" is definitely regarded as an insult.  It makes the assumption that one has no real experience in the subject of the conversation.  Obviously like soldiers sitting in a cosy office somewhere sipping a brew while the grunts are out doing the fighting.)
 

Quote from: Ski on March 07, 2014, 04:31:38 PM

Post you quoted. Choice of bolded yours:

Quote from: Jairo on March 06, 2014, 05:38:52 PM

If the ship is already blocked from naked eye, it will still be blocked when magnified. A telescope just makes the image bigger; it doesn't make one see around corners.

And there is no curvature or corners, so I clearly don't understand your non sequitur, no.

So when something is visibly sinking beyond the horizon/waterline when compared to a view from closer and/or higher, then no amount of magnification will restore, or uncompress, it's height.  Is that what you're saying? 

If so, I guess that finally answers my question about whether or not the height of the bridge and hillside would 'restore' as magnification was increased from 1x.

If there is a hill of water between you and the object, no amount of magnification will restore the "lost" portion of the ship (for example) behind that hill of water. However, some restoration of the parts visible would naturally occur due to the nature of perspective.

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 10, 2014, 10:45:02 AM

Quote from: Ski on March 07, 2014, 04:31:38 PM

Post you quoted. Choice of bolded yours:

Quote from: Jairo on March 06, 2014, 05:38:52 PM

If the ship is already blocked from naked eye, it will still be blocked when magnified. A telescope just makes the image bigger; it doesn't make one see around corners.

And there is no curvature or corners, so I clearly don't understand your non sequitur, no.

So when something is visibly sinking beyond the horizon/waterline when compared to a view from closer and/or higher, then no amount of magnification will restore, or uncompress, it's height.  Is that what you're saying? 

If so, I guess that finally answers my question about whether or not the height of the bridge and hillside would 'restore' as magnification was increased from 1x.

If there is a hill of water between you and the object, no amount of magnification will restore the "lost" portion of the ship (for example) behind that hill of water. However, some restoration of the parts visible would naturally occur due to the nature of perspective.

describe me "the nature of perspective".

Read ENaG

Read ENaG

and ENaG is what?

Earth Not a Globe, by Samuel Rowbatham. 

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/

He has a whole chapter about this stuff. 

If there is a hill of water between you and the object, no amount of magnification will restore the "lost" portion of the ship (for example) behind that hill of water. However, some restoration of the parts visible would naturally occur due to the nature of perspective.

So would increased magnification result in;

A.  the 'compressed' or 'flattened' object's detail increasing, and vertical height being restored (elimination of the distinct distortion seen in the buildings and bridge)?
or
B.  the 'compressed' or 'flattened' object's detail increasing, but vertical height remaining compressed (distortion unchanged).

The problem is no Flat Easrthe rhas any evidence at all! NONE! But if you want to have evidence, then why not go out and do it? You can;t talk all you want but if you can't show anything hard, 99.999% of the world will not believe you.

Why don't all 300 of you form a plan to get a telescope with a camera and show that the boat reappears? Do it on the beach and do it on a very flat road like Kansas. Why can't 1 of you just do something? As of now, 100% of what you claim are reasons for a Flat Earth are only beliefs, nothing hard. It is all based on a belief system. Can't the few hundred of you find a way to get one basic telescope that can capture what you claim?

Read ENaG

Sorry, but it's totally pointless reading a book (ENaG) that was written 150 years ago by a guy who was not a scientist of any sort, but who nonetheless proclaimed to have "proved" the earth was flat.  (Its only interest value could be as a quaint historical but long outdated artifact.)  Samuel Birley Rowbotham managed to expand a 16-page pamphlet written in 1849 into a 430 page book when he realised the potential profit margins of doing so.  If nothing else, Rowbotham was the consummate 19th century travelling snake-oil salesman!  He also charged scientifically ill-educated dupes sixpence (5 cents) a time to listen to him "preach" from hired halls and tents across the country.

Both astrophysics and geophysics have made massive, immeasurable advances in that ensuing 150 year period, and it'd be the height of ignorance to ignore those advances in favour of the poor understanding by a lay person, at the time, of the earth sciences.  Whether or not one accepts Rowbotham's writings is really immaterial;  if you were diagnosed with a life-threatening illness, would you refer to a medical textbook written in 1914 or one written in 2014?

It's also become increasingly obvious on this forum—simply by the number of times it's cited—that ENaG is the one and only document that the flat earthers can call upon to support their case.  Note too that the round earthers can readily cite a multitude of documentary evidence to support the round earth model, some of it produced merely months ago.  Why is it that the flat earthers cannot provide any supporting documentary evidence for a flat earth model?  Would any rational thinker accept 150-year-old scientific documents as representative in any way of contemporary scientific opinion?  Of course not.

And regardless, at the end of the day, the pseudo-scientific "research" and "evidence" and "conclusions" reported by Rowbotham were thoroughly debunked by individuals such as (legitimate) scientist Alfred Russel Wallace at the time, and more recently by physics professor Donald E. Simanek Ph.D of the Pennsylvania State University.

And for anybody interested, you can read Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe [1881] HERE
 
 

The problem is no Flat Easrthe rhas any evidence at all! NONE! But if you want to have evidence, then why not go out and do it? You can;t talk all you want but if you can't show anything hard, 99.999% of the world will not believe you.

Why don't all 300 of you form a plan to get a telescope with a camera and show that the boat reappears? Do it on the beach and do it on a very flat road like Kansas. Why can't 1 of you just do something? As of now, 100% of what you claim are reasons for a Flat Earth are only beliefs, nothing hard. It is all based on a belief system. Can't the few hundred of you find a way to get one basic telescope that can capture what you claim?

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

Can and have. I even posted the method and results on this forum for all to see. Where's your method and results that prove the earth is flat? I've heard a lot of claims,but not seen any proof yet.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 03:36:36 AM

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

Can and have. I even posted the method and results on this forum for all to see. Where's your method and results that prove the earth is flat? I've heard a lot of claims,but not seen any proof yet.

What did you do to prove anything?

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 01, 2014, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 03:36:36 AM

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

Can and have. I even posted the method and results on this forum for all to see. Where's your method and results that prove the earth is flat? I've heard a lot of claims,but not seen any proof yet.

What did you do to prove anything?

There you go answering a question with another question.

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 01, 2014, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 03:36:36 AM

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

Can and have. I even posted the method and results on this forum for all to see. Where's your method and results that prove the earth is flat? I've heard a lot of claims,but not seen any proof yet.

What did you do to prove anything?

More than you, apparently.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 04:09:03 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 01, 2014, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 03:36:36 AM

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

Can and have. I even posted the method and results on this forum for all to see. Where's your method and results that prove the earth is flat? I've heard a lot of claims,but not seen any proof yet.

What did you do to prove anything?

More than you, apparently.

So tell me what you physically did to prove anything?

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 01, 2014, 04:58:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 04:09:03 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 01, 2014, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 03:36:36 AM

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

Can and have. I even posted the method and results on this forum for all to see. Where's your method and results that prove the earth is flat? I've heard a lot of claims,but not seen any proof yet.

What did you do to prove anything?

Do not worry about others, just provude your proof.

More than you, apparently.

So tell me what you physically did to prove anything?

Do not worry about others, just provide your proof.

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

And once again, a flat earther effectively ignores a legitimate question, and simply asks another one in order to avoid providing a credible response.  Your non-answer is what's called "rhetoric" sceptimatic, and is a favourite diversionary tactic practiced by most politicians.  It's intended to unfairly shift the onus on to the questioner, and obviate the need for any sensible response from the person so questioned.  It's a pathetic tactic, but one that's all too often employed by flat earthers.

So... why is it sceptimatic that you and your fellow flat earth proponents don't do some sort of real experiment in an effort to prove your claims?  Even if it takes time and money?  Are you fearful of disproving your own flat earth theory maybe?

Or was your own, bogus, laser/ice sheet "experiment" and non-existent "research" intended to do just that?  Well, until we proved the whole thing to be totally fake, and nothing more than a figment of your imagination that is LOL.

You talk the talk sceptimatic, but it's really time that you started to walk the walk.  Your empty claims mean nothing; science demands empirical evidence—and you simply don't have any.

End of story.

But we don;t have to prove what 99.9999% of the world believes and knows as fact. You have the alternative opinion so you need to prove it. But we all post tons of evidence here that you all dismiss. We have videos, photos, experiments, satellites, GPS, rockets, pendulums, etc. and the basic common things people can view daily such as a sunset. You claim they are all fake but you guys have nothing. In order to disprove all of that is fake, then you need to have your own evidence. You are too busy proving things are fake instead of proving the Earth is Flat and the Sun rotates above.

But the bottom line is you have the alternative theory so you need to prove it to us. A book is not evidence. His book there is no proof he did any of those studies or if they even worked. Anyone can write anything.

If you want to be taken seriously you need some hard evidence. Now don't rebuttal like a parrot saying "You show us your proof."

But in all honestly, I hope you don't do all of these experiments because it will be a huge waste of your time since the Flat Earth Theory is not real. You are better off spending your time doing something productive. But if you intend to prove it to the world, you have something hard to present.

Still as logical as what I just wrote, people will continue to argue with me.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 03:36:36 AM

How about you globulites go out and prove your claims. Don't just tell us that it's all there in books and pictures. Go out and prove it.
What's that? What do you mean, you can't?

And once again, a flat earther effectively ignores a legitimate question, and simply asks another one in order to avoid providing a credible response.  Your non-answer is what's called "rhetoric" sceptimatic, and is a favourite diversionary tactic practiced by most politicians.  It's intended to unfairly shift the onus on to the questioner, and obviate the need for any sensible response from the person so questioned.  It's a pathetic tactic, but one that's all too often employed by flat earthers.

So... why is it sceptimatic that you and your fellow flat earth proponents don't do some sort of real experiment in an effort to prove your claims?  Even if it takes time and money?  Are you fearful of disproving your own flat earth theory maybe?

Or was your own, bogus, laser/ice sheet "experiment" and non-existent "research" intended to do just that?  Well, until we proved the whole thing to be totally fake, and nothing more than a figment of your imagination that is LOL.

You talk the talk sceptimatic, but it's really time that you started to walk the walk.  Your empty claims mean nothing; science demands empirical evidence—and you simply don't have any.

End of story.

You appear to revere Hawking. What experiments has he done to gain this? I've done lots of experiments and all are videoed, what has your best mate Hawking done?
You are gutted that you didn't get to see my experiment...but you were offered and you refused, so I can't take any blame for that.

But we don;t have to prove what 99.9999% of the world believes and knows as fact. You have the alternative opinion so you need to prove it. But we all post tons of evidence here that you all dismiss. We have videos, photos, experiments, satellites, GPS, rockets, pendulums, etc. and the basic common things people can view daily such as a sunset. You claim they are all fake but you guys have nothing. In order to disprove all of that is fake, then you need to have your own evidence. You are too busy proving things are fake instead of proving the Earth is Flat and the Sun rotates above.

But the bottom line is you have the alternative theory so you need to prove it to us. A book is not evidence. His book there is no proof he did any of those studies or if they even worked. Anyone can write anything.

If you want to be taken seriously you need some hard evidence. Now don't rebuttal like a parrot saying "You show us your proof."

But in all honestly, I hope you don't do all of these experiments because it will be a huge waste of your time since the Flat Earth Theory is not real. You are better off spending your time doing something productive. But if you intend to prove it to the world, you have something hard to present.

Still as logical as what I just wrote, people will continue to argue with me.

Denpressure proves your globe wrong. You are just to scared to accept it, because you know that what I explained is logical and true.

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 01, 2014, 05:13:29 AM

But we don;t have to prove what 99.9999% of the world believes and knows as fact. You have the alternative opinion so you need to prove it. But we all post tons of evidence here that you all dismiss. We have videos, photos, experiments, satellites, GPS, rockets, pendulums, etc. and the basic common things people can view daily such as a sunset. You claim they are all fake but you guys have nothing. In order to disprove all of that is fake, then you need to have your own evidence. You are too busy proving things are fake instead of proving the Earth is Flat and the Sun rotates above.

But the bottom line is you have the alternative theory so you need to prove it to us. A book is not evidence. His book there is no proof he did any of those studies or if they even worked. Anyone can write anything.

If you want to be taken seriously you need some hard evidence. Now don't rebuttal like a parrot saying "You show us your proof."

But in all honestly, I hope you don't do all of these experiments because it will be a huge waste of your time since the Flat Earth Theory is not real. You are better off spending your time doing something productive. But if you intend to prove it to the world, you have something hard to present.

Still as logical as what I just wrote, people will continue to argue with me.

Denpressure proves your globe wrong. You are just to scared to accept it, because you know that what I explained is logical and true.

Where are the videos?

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 01, 2014, 05:13:29 AM

But we don;t have to prove what 99.9999% of the world believes and knows as fact. You have the alternative opinion so you need to prove it. But we all post tons of evidence here that you all dismiss. We have videos, photos, experiments, satellites, GPS, rockets, pendulums, etc. and the basic common things people can view daily such as a sunset. You claim they are all fake but you guys have nothing. In order to disprove all of that is fake, then you need to have your own evidence. You are too busy proving things are fake instead of proving the Earth is Flat and the Sun rotates above.

But the bottom line is you have the alternative theory so you need to prove it to us. A book is not evidence. His book there is no proof he did any of those studies or if they even worked. Anyone can write anything.

If you want to be taken seriously you need some hard evidence. Now don't rebuttal like a parrot saying "You show us your proof."

But in all honestly, I hope you don't do all of these experiments because it will be a huge waste of your time since the Flat Earth Theory is not real. You are better off spending your time doing something productive. But if you intend to prove it to the world, you have something hard to present.

Still as logical as what I just wrote, people will continue to argue with me.

Denpressure proves your globe wrong. You are just to scared to accept it, because you know that what I explained is logical and true.

Are you talking about the "Mow Joe Goo force" you claimed before?

Still they found a way to argue my post.

Scepti- start a thread that is HARD EVIDENCE OF FLAT EARTH- and that thread should be used to ONLY post hard evidence. Not some stupid theory or ideas or quotes out of a book. If you got it, then show it. Post the videos, photos, videos of a guy doing the field experiment, debunking the Faucault Pendulum, whatever you got, post it already! Until then, all you guys are are people with vivid imaginations.

Still they found a way to argue my post.

Scepti- start a thread that is HARD EVIDENCE OF FLAT EARTH- and that thread should be used to ONLY post hard evidence. Not some stupid theory or ideas or quotes out of a book. If you got it, then show it. Post the videos, photos, videos of a guy doing the field experiment, debunking the Faucault Pendulum, whatever you got, post it already! Until then, all you guys are are people with vivid imaginations.

It's irrelevant what you think, to me. I know what I know. If you believe it or don't, it doesn't change my thinking.
You know fine well that there is no topic that can be put up to prove anything directly. You lot can't even do it and you lot are armed with a world full of scientific fallacies put out in books, videos and spewed nonsense by men and women in suits of various colours who like to call themselves experts on THEORIES that the scientific world pushes out as a truth, until someone comes along to say, " hold on a moment, this doesn't work out." Only then do they come up with another theory to gazump the questioner, which is then carried on as a THEORY but told as truth. It goes on like this, time and time again.
Weirdly, the theories all work and experiments are carried out with these same theories. They just work. Gravity is not known but it just happens to work in space and Earth.
It's not us that have the vivid imaginations, it's those who saturated your brains with nonsense that had/have the vivid imaginations.

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 01, 2014, 05:29:01 AM

Still they found a way to argue my post.

Scepti- start a thread that is HARD EVIDENCE OF FLAT EARTH- and that thread should be used to ONLY post hard evidence. Not some stupid theory or ideas or quotes out of a book. If you got it, then show it. Post the videos, photos, videos of a guy doing the field experiment, debunking the Faucault Pendulum, whatever you got, post it already! Until then, all you guys are are people with vivid imaginations.

It's irrelevant what you think, to me. I know what I know. If you believe it or don't, it doesn't change my thinking.
You know fine well that there is no topic that can be put up to prove anything directly. You lot can't even do it and you lot are armed with a world full of scientific fallacies put out in books, videos and spewed nonsense by men and women in suits of various colours who like to call themselves experts on THEORIES that the scientific world pushes out as a truth, until someone comes along to say, " hold on a moment, this doesn't work out." Only then do they come up with another theory to gazump the questioner, which is then carried on as a THEORY but told as truth. It goes on like this, time and time again.
Weirdly, the theories all work and experiments are carried out with these same theories. They just work. Gravity is not known but it just happens to work in space and Earth.
It's not us that have the vivid imaginations, it's those who saturated your brains with nonsense that had/have the vivid imaginations.

To make it simple you "refuse everything" and "deny everything" so how can you have knowledge about anything.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 05:44:26 AM

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 01, 2014, 05:29:01 AM

Still they found a way to argue my post.

Scepti- start a thread that is HARD EVIDENCE OF FLAT EARTH- and that thread should be used to ONLY post hard evidence. Not some stupid theory or ideas or quotes out of a book. If you got it, then show it. Post the videos, photos, videos of a guy doing the field experiment, debunking the Faucault Pendulum, whatever you got, post it already! Until then, all you guys are are people with vivid imaginations.

It's irrelevant what you think, to me. I know what I know. If you believe it or don't, it doesn't change my thinking.
You know fine well that there is no topic that can be put up to prove anything directly. You lot can't even do it and you lot are armed with a world full of scientific fallacies put out in books, videos and spewed nonsense by men and women in suits of various colours who like to call themselves experts on THEORIES that the scientific world pushes out as a truth, until someone comes along to say, " hold on a moment, this doesn't work out." Only then do they come up with another theory to gazump the questioner, which is then carried on as a THEORY but told as truth. It goes on like this, time and time again.
Weirdly, the theories all work and experiments are carried out with these same theories. They just work. Gravity is not known but it just happens to work in space and Earth.
It's not us that have the vivid imaginations, it's those who saturated your brains with nonsense that had/have the vivid imaginations.

To make it simple you "refuse everything" and "deny everything" so how can you have knowledge about anything.

I refuse to be brainwashed into nonsensical theories. I only dent the existence of stuff that I know logically is hogwash.

Quote from: Starman on April 01, 2014, 05:48:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 01, 2014, 05:44:26 AM

Quote from: Jer9999 on April 01, 2014, 05:29:01 AM

Still they found a way to argue my post.

Scepti- start a thread that is HARD EVIDENCE OF FLAT EARTH- and that thread should be used to ONLY post hard evidence. Not some stupid theory or ideas or quotes out of a book. If you got it, then show it. Post the videos, photos, videos of a guy doing the field experiment, debunking the Faucault Pendulum, whatever you got, post it already! Until then, all you guys are are people with vivid imaginations.

It's irrelevant what you think, to me. I know what I know. If you believe it or don't, it doesn't change my thinking.
You know fine well that there is no topic that can be put up to prove anything directly. You lot can't even do it and you lot are armed with a world full of scientific fallacies put out in books, videos and spewed nonsense by men and women in suits of various colours who like to call themselves experts on THEORIES that the scientific world pushes out as a truth, until someone comes along to say, " hold on a moment, this doesn't work out." Only then do they come up with another theory to gazump the questioner, which is then carried on as a THEORY but told as truth. It goes on like this, time and time again.
Weirdly, the theories all work and experiments are carried out with these same theories. They just work. Gravity is not known but it just happens to work in space and Earth.
It's not us that have the vivid imaginations, it's those who saturated your brains with nonsense that had/have the vivid imaginations.

To make it simple you "refuse everything" and "deny everything" so how can you have knowledge about anything.

I refuse to be brainwashed into nonsensical theories. I only dent the existence of stuff that I know logically is hogwash.

That bring me to my point: "you have knowledge of nothing because you refuse to learn anything."