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BJ1234

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2014, 02:56:05 PM »
The whole point of the video was that the sun is 4000 miles below your feet.

I have shown you that is not the case.

How is that not relevant to the discusion?
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jhenningkelloggia

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2014, 03:03:04 PM »
I need to make a video that demonstrates actual size is irrelevant to apparent size...
I understand that this was never taught in school...
thank you for this conversation...
I am looking for ways to help explain the true reality of the world around us and you have been very helpful...
again, thank you
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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2014, 03:18:19 PM »
Quote from: jhenningkelloggia on January 02, 2014, 03:03:04 PM
I need to make a video that demonstrates actual size is irrelevant to apparent size...
I understand that this was never taught in school...
thank you for this conversation...
I am looking for ways to help explain the true reality of the world around us and you have been very helpful...
again, thank you
Things look smaller if they are further away.
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EarthIsASpaceship

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2014, 03:41:05 PM »
You are brainwashed to think you are looking DOWN at the horizon.  When you lay down on your living room floor and only see the top part of a tennis ball on the floor at the other end of the room, where did the bottom go?  Trust me, it doesn't go beneath the floor! This happens because from your low perspective, you simply cannot see the bottom of the ball.  The farther away from it you get, the more it will disappear.  At some point EVERYTHING intersects at an angle that makes objects disappear because your perspective is TOO LOW TO THE GROUND.  If you get some height, you are getting closer to objects above you, changing the angle so they become visible.
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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2014, 03:47:48 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on January 02, 2014, 03:41:05 PM
Quote from: inquisitive on January 02, 2014, 11:57:14 AM
Where did the 4000 miles thing come from?  The horizon line is not 90deg from the vertical. It's below if viewed above ground level.  You look down at the horizion.
You are brainwashed to think you are looking DOWN at the horizon.  When you lay down on your living room floor and only see the top part of a tennis ball on the floor at the other end of the room, where did the bottom go?  Trust me, it doesn't go beneath the floor! This happens because from your low perspective, you simply cannot see the bottom of the ball.  The farther away from it you get, the more it will disappear.  At some point EVERYTHING intersects at an angle that makes objects disappear because your perspective is TOO LOW TO THE GROUND.  If you get some height, you are getting closer to objects above you, changing the angle so they become visible.
If anyone has even one ounce of sense in their own mind, they should take heed of this post, above.
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EarthIsASpaceship

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2014, 04:38:08 PM »
Quote from: Caballero on December 31, 2013, 10:55:23 AM
Quote from: Moosedrool on December 31, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
No one get's past me. As I am the Ice wall protector, Passing me and my wrath is impossible.

Not for jokes the question is serious. If something is false then there must be evidence to prove it false. if you do not have the proof then you become a liar.

I have an open mind. but to believe. need to prove the truth you've read is false.

If there is no evidence. So I can not contradict truth.

I can believe that the earth is flat, but I will not without evidence. convincing and irrefutable.
You cannot prove a negative.  We need to prove the Earth is what we think it is or prove that others have lied.  If you consider a video or photo is evidence, then that means all I have to do is make a fake flat earth video that looks realistic enough to be believable.  Because essentially that is all RE has that "proves" the Earth is a sphere.
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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2014, 05:15:10 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on January 02, 2014, 03:41:05 PM
You are brainwashed to think you are looking DOWN at the horizon.  When you lay down on your living room floor and only see the top part of a tennis ball on the floor at the other end of the room, where did the bottom go?  Trust me, it doesn't go beneath the floor! This happens because from your low perspective, you simply cannot see the bottom of the ball.  The farther away from it you get, the more it will disappear.  At some point EVERYTHING intersects at an angle that makes objects disappear because your perspective is TOO LOW TO THE GROUND.  If you get some height, you are getting closer to objects above you, changing the angle so they become visible.
Living room?  Perhaps you or Scepti could show a diagram of how that works.  A simple living room shouldn't be too hard to draw to scale.
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BJ1234

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2014, 05:22:35 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on January 02, 2014, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: Caballero on December 31, 2013, 10:55:23 AM
Quote from: Moosedrool on December 31, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
No one get's past me. As I am the Ice wall protector, Passing me and my wrath is impossible.

Not for jokes the question is serious. If something is false then there must be evidence to prove it false. if you do not have the proof then you become a liar.

I have an open mind. but to believe. need to prove the truth you've read is false.

If there is no evidence. So I can not contradict truth.

I can believe that the earth is flat, but I will not without evidence. convincing and irrefutable.
You cannot prove a negative.  We need to prove the Earth is what we think it is or prove that others have lied.  If you consider a video or photo is evidence, then that means all I have to do is make a fake flat earth video that looks realistic enough to be believable.  Because essentially that is all RE has that "proves" the Earth is a sphere.

Why can't you prove a negative?
http://grammar.about.com/od/c/g/claimterm.htm

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Claims of fact assert that something is true or not true.

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In rational arguments, all three types of claims must be supported by facts.

For example, my wife claims I did not do the dishes. 
She then sends me a picture of our sink full of dishes.
She just proved a negative.
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PizzaPlanet

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2014, 06:10:59 PM »
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BJ1234

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2014, 06:16:26 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on January 02, 2014, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: BJ1234 on January 02, 2014, 05:22:35 PM
Why can't you prove a negative?
http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=979.0

And we still haven't figured out if you have a handkerchief in your pocket or not.
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EarthIsASpaceship

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2014, 06:37:14 PM »
Quote from: BJ1234 on January 02, 2014, 05:22:35 PM
Why can't you prove a negative?
http://grammar.about.com/od/c/g/claimterm.htm

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Claims of fact assert that something is true or not true.

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In rational arguments, all three types of claims must be supported by facts.

For example, my wife claims I did not do the dishes.  
She then sends me a picture of our sink full of dishes.
She just proved a negative.
First of all, YOU would know if you did the dishes or not, she should not have to prove it to you.  LOL  Anyway, maybe you did do the dishes but the kids left more in the sink.
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BJ1234

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2014, 06:45:24 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on January 02, 2014, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: BJ1234 on January 02, 2014, 05:22:35 PM
Why can't you prove a negative?
http://grammar.about.com/od/c/g/claimterm.htm

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Claims of fact assert that something is true or not true.

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In rational arguments, all three types of claims must be supported by facts.

For example, my wife claims I did not do the dishes.  
She then sends me a picture of our sink full of dishes.
She just proved a negative.
First of all, YOU would know if you did the dishes or not, she should not have to prove it to you.  LOL  Anyway, maybe you did do the dishes but the kids left more in the sink.

She proved to herself that I didn't do the dishes.  She even has evidence that I didn't do the dishes.

The point is that proving a negative can be done. Through proof of impossibility, or evidence of absence. 

Proof of impossibility is what my wife used to prove that I didn't do the dishes.
It is impossible to do the dishes yet there be piles of dishes still in the sink.
Therefore, I didn't do the dishes.

Evidence of absence is looking for evidence where it would be most likely to be if it existed.
Wife asks me if the mail came.
I check the mailbox, it is not there.
I just proved that the mail did not arrive.

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Caballero

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2014, 10:30:30 PM »
theflatearthsociety believed to exist. the international space station?
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Caballero

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2014, 10:35:57 PM »
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Caballero

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2014, 10:37:43 PM »
if something is a lie. can be refuted and explained this falsehood.  is my point.
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Son of Orospu

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2014, 10:39:18 PM »
It is amazing how convincing video special effects can be.  However, if I see superman flying through the air in a video, I don't run around saying that people can definitely fly.

Also, a picture of a full sink of dishes does not prove that the dishes had not been caught up.
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Caballero

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2014, 10:58:08 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 02, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
It is amazing how convincing video special effects can be.  However, if I see superman flying through the air in a video, I don't run around saying that people can definitely fly.

Also, a picture of a full sink of dishes does not prove that the dishes had not been caught up.

ok, then it does not exist. for you the space station. Nor satellites?
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Caballero

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2014, 10:59:43 PM »
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neutral22

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2014, 11:00:18 PM »
At least a hollywood movie is set in a real setting with real surroundings and sometimes in real crowds of people, etc. Nasa movies are totally fake, starting with the moon landings directed and written by Stanley Kubrick. ;D
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Caballero

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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2014, 11:05:09 PM »
I'm honest. I distrust the images without stars. But if the earth is flat there must be visual proof.
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Son of Orospu

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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2014, 11:16:43 PM »
There is visual proof.  Look at the Earth with your eyes.  It looks very flat. 
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Caballero

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2014, 11:18:54 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 02, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
There is visual proof.  Look at the Earth with your eyes.  It looks very flat.

satellites are real? for you?
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neutral22

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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2014, 11:21:27 PM »
Quote from: Caballero on January 02, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 02, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
There is visual proof.  Look at the Earth with your eyes.  It looks very flat.

satellites are real? for you?

yes, but Satellites could be floating in outer space even if the earth was flat?

parralax' Bedford Level Experiment is the cu de gras of the flat earth argument. that is the main experiment for flat earth. If you go to a long canal and use telescope, please post results here :D
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neutral22

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2014, 11:46:21 PM »
but as a caveat, it's said that light bends with gravity or is refracted, thus negating zetetic observations. There are many photos of seeing distances of thousands of miles, and this too is negated by light refraction. So, even if earth is round, it would appear to be flat to us still...
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Caballero

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2014, 11:57:47 PM »
Quote from: neutral22 on January 02, 2014, 11:46:21 PM
but as a caveat, it's said that light bends with gravity or is refracted, thus negating zetetic observations. There are many photos of seeing distances of thousands of miles, and this too is negated by light refraction. So, even if earth is round, it would appear to be flat to us still...

if the earth is flat this is another farce over the Rothchild.
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neutral22

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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2014, 12:10:31 AM »
well I am in same boat, not sure about this. Why I am wasting my time here, it seems pointless...
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Caballero

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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2014, 12:11:00 AM »
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Re: I need a hard evidence.
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2014, 02:35:35 AM »
Quote from: jroa on January 02, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
There is visual proof.  Look at the Earth with your eyes.  It looks very flat.

What?

Tell me what is the Geometrical shape of this smooth surface's object created in max?



Hint: This simulated camera is at an elevation of 15000m, higher than any mountain or commercial jet airliner fly.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 08:22:49 AM
I'm not trying to disprove gravity. I've succeeded in disproving it. It's called denpressure.
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Son of Orospu

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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2014, 03:09:11 AM »
What is that supposed to prove?  I can draw a similar cube that would also look flat.  I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. 
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« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2014, 03:15:50 AM »
Quote from: jroa on January 03, 2014, 03:09:11 AM
What is that supposed to prove?  I can draw a similar cube that would also look flat.  I think you are just grasping at straws at this point.

So why are you backing up your claim with how you perceive the horizon then?
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Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 08:22:49 AM
I'm not trying to disprove gravity. I've succeeded in disproving it. It's called denpressure.
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