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Re: GPS
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2013, 07:23:13 AM »
In your home you have a so called satellite dish pointed in various directions, mostly horizontal facing in many cases, but that's one thing.

South south east in England, it points at the astra satellite over Africa.

The dish is needed because a TV signal is a hell of a lot more complicated than a GPS one, plus it needs to maintain integrity, any missed data results in problems with your  TV signal.
In between time, your so called sat nav picks up mobile speed camera's.....How?
different system entirely. the mobile speed cameras aren't located by the GPS part.

Anyone who says they only lose signals in certain built up areas and not in country side, etc, is a full blown 100% liar.
As soon as you get out of range of towers, your sat nav goes to hell until it can pick up the next signal from the next tower.

That must make me a liar in your eyes. I often drive through areas of the countryside with no mobile signal showing but still using my phones GPS to navigate. Here for instance:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=northington&hl=en&sll=51.090632,-1.161219&sspn=0.015445,0.038581&t=h&gl=uk&hnear=Northington,+Hampshire,+United+Kingdom&z=16

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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2013, 07:33:56 AM »
In your home you have a so called satellite dish pointed in various directions, mostly horizontal facing in many cases, but that's one thing.
How many cars do you see with so called satellite dishes on them?
You have a gadget on your dashboard, you tap in your postcode and the post code of your final destination and off you go.
In between time, your so called sat nav picks up mobile speed camera's.....How?

The reason is simple. It's because your sat nav is simply just a part of cells.
It's programmed as a map and it's programmed to receive marker signals which will be scrambled for that specific purpose.
Anyone who says they only lose signals in certain built up areas and not in country side, etc, is a full blown 100% liar.
As soon as you get out of range of towers, your sat nav goes to hell until it can pick up the next signal from the next tower.
The technology is getting better and better because they are building towers into the countryside for the very purpose of keeping a full map of the whole country.

The satnav system does not need a dish due to the power of the transmitter and design of the receiver.

Home TV satellite dishes are not horizontal, they point at an angle to receive from a satellite over the equator.

Where is the documentation about scrambling satnav signals? What is the format of the marker signals? 

There 3 or 4 GPS systems now, US, Europe and Russia, all work in a similar way.  Agree?

Satnavs work in the air and in the oceans far from any cellphone or other towers.  The map is in the unit, upgrades are available.

As said before the satnav shows the orbiting satellites travelling over.
Stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

Picks up mobile speed cameras - please explain.

Satnavs do not need a dish due to the power of the transmitter and the design of the receiver.

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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2013, 07:47:53 AM »
In your home you have a so called satellite dish pointed in various directions, mostly horizontal facing in many cases, but that's one thing.

South south east in England, it points at the astra satellite over Africa.

The dish is needed because a TV signal is a hell of a lot more complicated than a GPS one, plus it needs to maintain integrity, any missed data results in problems with your  TV signal.
In between time, your so called sat nav picks up mobile speed camera's.....How?
different system entirely. the mobile speed cameras aren't located by the GPS part.

Anyone who says they only lose signals in certain built up areas and not in country side, etc, is a full blown 100% liar.
As soon as you get out of range of towers, your sat nav goes to hell until it can pick up the next signal from the next tower.

That must make me a liar in your eyes. I often drive through areas of the countryside with no mobile signal showing but still using my phones GPS to navigate. Here for instance:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=northington&hl=en&sll=51.090632,-1.161219&sspn=0.015445,0.038581&t=h&gl=uk&hnear=Northington,+Hampshire,+United+Kingdom&z=16
You may drive through certain areas that have communication of which, lately there are more and more towers getting erected.

Why don't you have a look at when sat nav first came out and see how many areas didn't have the signal then.
If you haven't experienced so called sat nav loss in open areas, then you are either a local area traveler of which you are fortunate enough to have the towers scattered around.
If you travel and still tell me that you lose signal or the sat nav takes you all over the place, then you are a LIAR.

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2013, 07:49:21 AM »
In your home you have a so called satellite dish pointed in various directions, mostly horizontal facing in many cases, but that's one thing.
How many cars do you see with so called satellite dishes on them?
You have a gadget on your dashboard, you tap in your postcode and the post code of your final destination and off you go.
In between time, your so called sat nav picks up mobile speed camera's.....How?

The reason is simple. It's because your sat nav is simply just a part of cells.
It's programmed as a map and it's programmed to receive marker signals which will be scrambled for that specific purpose.
Anyone who says they only lose signals in certain built up areas and not in country side, etc, is a full blown 100% liar.
As soon as you get out of range of towers, your sat nav goes to hell until it can pick up the next signal from the next tower.
The technology is getting better and better because they are building towers into the countryside for the very purpose of keeping a full map of the whole country.

The satnav system does not need a dish due to the power of the transmitter and design of the receiver.

Home TV satellite dishes are not horizontal, they point at an angle to receive from a satellite over the equator.

Where is the documentation about scrambling satnav signals? What is the format of the marker signals? 

There 3 or 4 GPS systems now, US, Europe and Russia, all work in a similar way.  Agree?

Satnavs work in the air and in the oceans far from any cellphone or other towers.  The map is in the unit, upgrades are available.

As said before the satnav shows the orbiting satellites travelling over.
Stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

Picks up mobile speed cameras - please explain.

Satnavs do not need a dish due to the power of the transmitter and the design of the receiver.
So why don't we simply have one of those on top of our TV or whatever if they're that good at picking up so called satellite.
Stop being so naive.

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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2013, 08:56:04 AM »
You may drive through certain areas that have communication of which, lately there are more and more towers getting erected.

Why don't you have a look at when sat nav first came out and see how many areas didn't have the signal then.
If you haven't experienced so called sat nav loss in open areas, then you are either a local area traveler of which you are fortunate enough to have the towers scattered around.
If you travel and still tell me that you lose signal or the sat nav takes you all over the place, then you are a LIAR.

I'm English, and I live in England, which that google map link might have told you.

There aren't that many new masts going up round here although there have been a few, the fact still remains that there are a LOT of communications dead spots round here where I don't get mobile signal but DO get GPS signal. I could take a photo of my phone next time I'm in one if it would help.

As for losing sat nav connection, I don't think I've ever lost it once it's locked, unless I go into a building or tunnel of some sort, it then drops independently of mobile communications. I don't travel to London much but I'm sure I'll go at some point next year so may also be able to get a photo of me with mobile signal but no sat nav. I can only confirm for the UK of course, I don't turn my phone on abroad.

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2013, 09:53:42 AM »
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Why don't you have a look at when sat nav first came out and see how many areas didn't have the signal then.
If you haven't experienced so called sat nav loss in open areas, then you are either a local area traveler of which you are fortunate enough to have the towers scattered around.
If you travel and still tell me that you lose signal or the sat nav takes you all over the place, then you are a LIAR.

Please tell where I can find where GPS was not available and details of the rollout.

Please explain how a stationary satnav displays the moving satellites.

So if you are right then all the countries of the world, including Russia and China are part of this dis-information about how satnavs work.  How does my satellite TV work?

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2013, 10:23:54 AM »
You may drive through certain areas that have communication of which, lately there are more and more towers getting erected.

Why don't you have a look at when sat nav first came out and see how many areas didn't have the signal then.
If you haven't experienced so called sat nav loss in open areas, then you are either a local area traveler of which you are fortunate enough to have the towers scattered around.
If you travel and still tell me that you lose signal or the sat nav takes you all over the place, then you are a LIAR.

I'm English, and I live in England, which that google map link might have told you.

There aren't that many new masts going up round here although there have been a few, the fact still remains that there are a LOT of communications dead spots round here where I don't get mobile signal but DO get GPS signal. I could take a photo of my phone next time I'm in one if it would help.

As for losing sat nav connection, I don't think I've ever lost it once it's locked, unless I go into a building or tunnel of some sort, it then drops independently of mobile communications. I don't travel to London much but I'm sure I'll go at some point next year so may also be able to get a photo of me with mobile signal but no sat nav. I can only confirm for the UK of course, I don't turn my phone on abroad.
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2013, 10:29:03 AM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2013, 10:31:18 AM »
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Why don't you have a look at when sat nav first came out and see how many areas didn't have the signal then.
If you haven't experienced so called sat nav loss in open areas, then you are either a local area traveler of which you are fortunate enough to have the towers scattered around.
If you travel and still tell me that you lose signal or the sat nav takes you all over the place, then you are a LIAR.

Please tell where I can find where GPS was not available and details of the rollout.

Please explain how a stationary satnav displays the moving satellites.

So if you are right then all the countries of the world, including Russia and China are part of this dis-information about how satnavs work.  How does my satellite TV work?
Try traveling through countryside and see where your sat nav takes you. It has you all over. It sends you in all directions because it loses signal from one tower and fails to pick up the next, so you end up driving blind until it hits the signal and then you get re-directed.
This has happened to me on countless occasions in clear blue unobstructed skies.

You want me to explain how a stationary sat nav displays moving satellites???
Are you seriously telling me that a few silly little characters on a screen guarantees you of these satellites?
Come on man, lol, stop it.

TV satellite dishes are just coded signals from transmitters, nothing more.

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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2013, 10:37:03 AM »
TV satellite dishes are just coded signals from transmitters, nothing more.
Transmitters where?

Satellite dishes on the south coast of Cornwall (and indeed Ireland) Point south south east.

Now assuming the transmitters land based that puts it pretty damn high up somewhere. Especially the Irish ones since the next land to the south is Spain.

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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2013, 10:42:37 AM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.
Of course there will be a signal in places for your phone so called gps and no mobile signal.

Wake up for crying out loud, why do you think you have so many networks for phones and why some work much better than others.
It's all a scam from networks to networks.

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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2013, 11:22:21 AM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.
Of course there will be a signal in places for your phone so called gps and no mobile signal.

Wake up for crying out loud, why do you think you have so many networks for phones and why some work much better than others.
It's all a scam from networks to networks.
There is no link with the mobile phone network, hence why GPS works in the middle of oceans.  OK?

There are very few 'towers' being built in the UK as mobile networks share sites.

So all the governments and all the professional scientists and engineers in the world are part of this scam?  What does Wikileaks say about GPS?

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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2013, 11:27:33 AM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.
Of course there will be a signal in places for your phone so called gps and no mobile signal.

Wake up for crying out loud, why do you think you have so many networks for phones and why some work much better than others.
It's all a scam from networks to networks.

I'm awake, In a couple of those places there are NO networks that give service, there are NO towers that are close enough, I know this because I put the phone lines in when they build a tower.




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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2013, 01:32:37 PM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.
Of course there will be a signal in places for your phone so called gps and no mobile signal.

Wake up for crying out loud, why do you think you have so many networks for phones and why some work much better than others.
It's all a scam from networks to networks.
There is no link with the mobile phone network, hence why GPS works in the middle of oceans.  OK?

There are very few 'towers' being built in the UK as mobile networks share sites.

So all the governments and all the professional scientists and engineers in the world are part of this scam?  What does Wikileaks say about GPS?

All the governments, scientists, engineers, astronomers and goodness only knows how many else are all part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy" according to FE.
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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2013, 01:46:18 PM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.
Of course there will be a signal in places for your phone so called gps and no mobile signal.

Wake up for crying out loud, why do you think you have so many networks for phones and why some work much better than others.
It's all a scam from networks to networks.
There is no link with the mobile phone network, hence why GPS works in the middle of oceans.  OK?

There are very few 'towers' being built in the UK as mobile networks share sites.

So all the governments and all the professional scientists and engineers in the world are part of this scam?  What does Wikileaks say about GPS?

All the governments, scientists, engineers, astronomers and goodness only knows how many else are all part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy" according to FE.

Probably all 33400 telephone engineers too.

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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2013, 01:42:33 AM »
I live in England too and you are a LIAR.

Been to Northington have you?

Or perhaps Ovington?

or one of thousands of other villages in valleys, how about 90% of wales?
 Ever been to any of that?
And I live in the south, the busy bit.

Quite a lot of that doesn't get mobile signal at least on O2 or Vodaphone, can't conclusively prove all the others but I can be pretty damn sure, yet I can navigate around using my satnav.

As I said, I'm sure I'll be out there within the week or so and I can take a photo of my phone with no signal icon but there being a GPS lock showing where I am.
Of course there will be a signal in places for your phone so called gps and no mobile signal.

Wake up for crying out loud, why do you think you have so many networks for phones and why some work much better than others.
It's all a scam from networks to networks.
There is no link with the mobile phone network, hence why GPS works in the middle of oceans.  OK?

There are very few 'towers' being built in the UK as mobile networks share sites.

So all the governments and all the professional scientists and engineers in the world are part of this scam?  What does Wikileaks say about GPS?

All the governments, scientists, engineers, astronomers and goodness only knows how many else are all part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy" according to FE.

Probably all 33400 telephone engineers too.
Don't make me laugh. Telephone engineers. There's no specialized thing about 99% of telephone engineers, it's what I call semi skilled and I'm being generous.

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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2013, 02:08:07 AM »
Don't make me laugh. Telephone engineers. There's no specialized thing about 99% of telephone engineers, it's what I call semi skilled and I'm being generous.
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for about 75% of us you're being very generous (since it's clear you're only talking about the one's that put your lines in).

Pays well though.

But then you don't need skills to be part of the conspiracy do you, I mean we'd pretty much notice if distances didn't conform to a round earth map, because cable distances would measure wrong, and we're the ones cabling up the satellite uplink dishes and the mobile phone masts as well as testing them, you don't think we'd notice that we had to run a test for GPS signal?

Or you think these things are ultra reliable and always work swimmingly?

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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2013, 02:39:37 AM »


for about 75% of us you're being very generous (since it's clear you're only talking about the one's that put your lines in).

Pays well though.

But then you don't need skills to be part of the conspiracy do you, I mean we'd pretty much notice if distances didn't conform to a round earth map, because cable distances would measure wrong, and we're the ones cabling up the satellite uplink dishes and the mobile phone masts as well as testing them, you don't think we'd notice that we had to run a test for GPS signal?

Or you think these things are ultra reliable and always work swimmingly?
What do you mean, cabling up the satellite up link dishes?
What test could you possibly run that determines anything at all of where your signal goes to?

Don't start pretending you know this and that because I've seen this crap time and time and time again from people, when they can't prove something.
It's amazing how many turn into telecommunication engineers or satellite engineers.
I don't buy any of it, so don't use it.

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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2013, 02:57:54 AM »

What do you mean, cabling up the satellite up link dishes?
What test could you possibly run that determines anything at all of where your signal goes to?
the dishes have fibre links back to telephone exchanges and all mobile communications masts have copper phone lines doing the same (as well as fibre for most of them), the dishes are doing something.

With satellite dishes you wouldn't know where the signal goes to or comes from except by inference from the direction the dishes are pointing but guys working on mobile phone masts do test them on commissioning, and they might wonder why they were running a test for GPS positioning not just mobile signal.


Don't start pretending you know this and that because I've seen this crap time and time and time again from people, when they can't prove something.
It's amazing how many turn into telecommunication engineers or satellite engineers.
I don't buy any of it, so don't use it.


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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2013, 03:34:44 AM »
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about as regards where a signal is coming from or going to as far as space is concerned, because you don't. Don't dare say you do, because if you do, I'll call you a liar as many times as needed.

I've seen the sky installers and aerial digital installers who simply use a signal strength detector to align dishes or aerials.
They don't have a clue where it's coming from in terms of space but they may know where the transmitter is that sends the signal to the dish or aerial.

A few days training is all that's needed to start someone off putting stuff like this up and anyone with basic skills and common sense can do it.
It takes a bit more know how when dealing with frequencies and coding/scrambling and such but it still does not tell anything about satellites, so don't even attempt to tell me it does.

Your satellite is a transmitter, that's all it is. You can look at it as a cell tower, a transmitter aerial on a hill or in a field or whatever, but it's a transmitter on earth and they work fine as they have always done.
The reason why they appear more up to date now is simply because of the range and different variations of how the signals are sent but in reality it's no more different than the old CB radios of the time where changing a channel meant you talked to whoever.

It's no different to police radio or emergency services, only it's just varied frequencies that transmits TV signals.
Your sky box in your home is geared to a certain digital code, that's why they can shut you down in a heartbeat...not because they shut the satellite link, it's because they shut down the transmitted signal that's been assigned to your box.

Anyone who thinks that a satellite , sat in space and keeping a so called geosynchronous movement with earths rotation, in my view is stark raving mad or at worst, super naive, for those that simply just accept.

The ones I scratch my head over, is people who profess to know it all and go along with it. That puzzles me to hell.
It's fine giving it the old, " oh, I'm a chemist and I know this", or, " I'm an amateur astronomer so I know this", or, "I'm a major in this and that, so I know this and that."
The point is, you are a chemist and you basically memorize and mix things. Yeah it might be more complicated than that, but essentially that's what you do.
The astronomer looks at the sky at night, mostly and can tell anyone who cares to listen that those 3 stars in a line are such and such and, "look, there's the great bear"...and so on and so on. It means nothing through the looking glass in terms of actually knowing what the hell it is you are really looking at, except they're pretty sparkly night things and shooting, whizzing things that get names as comets, space debris, satellites and what not.
The physics majors and what not are memory gymnasts. They commit info to their brains from specially selected books designed for the purpose of their education in that field and practice and practice until they get it all correct, or most of it, or part of it, depending on how far up the chain they are in terms of absorption of information bestowed upon them.

The real scientists are those that can...and are prepared to think for themselves...and those that will not accept something simply by face value until they can logically either verify it or they can logically say that it genuinely makes enough sense that they can at least go partly with it.

Your satellites make no sense...and I mean, no sense...at all. The earth has it's own way of sifting through the masses within it and it sorts them out by density, leaving the lightest element at the top.
Nothing is getting out of this earth and nothing is coming in.
What is in, is in already, which is everything we see in that sky, naturally and what we see unnaturally as in planes, balloons and various other man made objects.
This does not include orbiting satellites, which are a figment of the imagination.

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« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2013, 04:05:19 AM »
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about as regards where a signal is coming from or going to as far as space is concerned, because you don't. Don't dare say you do, because if you do, I'll call you a liar as many times as needed.

who mentioned space? I know the direction of the signal, it could be a helicopter or weather balloon for all I know on the ground, but I can rule out a tower.

I've seen the sky installers and aerial digital installers who simply use a signal strength detector to align dishes or aerials.
They don't have a clue where it's coming from in terms of space but they may know where the transmitter is that sends the signal to the dish or aerial.

true, that's exactly what I'm saying, they point it towards the source of the signal

Your satellite is a transmitter, that's all it is. You can look at it as a cell tower, a transmitter aerial on a hill or in a field or whatever, but it's a transmitter on earth and they work fine as they have always done.

right exactly, the uplink satellites are transmitters and the sky dishes on houses are recievers.

Now on the south coasts of Cornwall and the republic of Ireland the receivers point roughly south south east and upwards.

South south east of them are respectively france, and spain. I could just about see a transmitter in france on a big old tower but in Spain? that would need to be a damn big tower that B Sky B had to erect even assuming a flat earth.

Unless you think there's a floating one in between, in which case it's pretty stable for something bobbing about.

And if you doubt that the sky receiver is directional you can easily test it because you can put as much tinfoil as you like to the side of it and it makes no difference, you can make a tube of tinfoil as long as you don't cover the face, but put some in front of it, even at a distance of a few metres and you cut off or severely degrade the signal.


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Re: GPS
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2013, 04:18:14 AM »
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about as regards where a signal is coming from or going to as far as space is concerned, because you don't. Don't dare say you do, because if you do, I'll call you a liar as many times as needed.

who mentioned space? I know the direction of the signal, it could be a helicopter or weather balloon for all I know on the ground, but I can rule out a tower.

I've seen the sky installers and aerial digital installers who simply use a signal strength detector to align dishes or aerials.
They don't have a clue where it's coming from in terms of space but they may know where the transmitter is that sends the signal to the dish or aerial.

true, that's exactly what I'm saying, they point it towards the source of the signal

Your satellite is a transmitter, that's all it is. You can look at it as a cell tower, a transmitter aerial on a hill or in a field or whatever, but it's a transmitter on earth and they work fine as they have always done.

right exactly, the uplink satellites are transmitters and the sky dishes on houses are recievers.

Now on the south coasts of Cornwall and the republic of Ireland the receivers point roughly south south east and upwards.

South south east of them are respectively france, and spain. I could just about see a transmitter in france on a big old tower but in Spain? that would need to be a damn big tower that B Sky B had to erect even assuming a flat earth.

Unless you think there's a floating one in between, in which case it's pretty stable for something bobbing about.

And if you doubt that the sky receiver is directional you can easily test it because you can put as much tinfoil as you like to the side of it and it makes no difference, you can make a tube of tinfoil as long as you don't cover the face, but put some in front of it, even at a distance of a few metres and you cut off or severely degrade the signal.
Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2013, 05:06:21 AM »
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about as regards where a signal is coming from or going to as far as space is concerned, because you don't. Don't dare say you do, because if you do, I'll call you a liar as many times as needed.

who mentioned space? I know the direction of the signal, it could be a helicopter or weather balloon for all I know on the ground, but I can rule out a tower.

I've seen the sky installers and aerial digital installers who simply use a signal strength detector to align dishes or aerials.
They don't have a clue where it's coming from in terms of space but they may know where the transmitter is that sends the signal to the dish

 or aerial.

true, that's exactly what I'm saying, they point it towards the source of the signal

Your satellite is a transmitter, that's all it is. You can look at it as a cell tower, a transmitter aerial on a hill or in a field or whatever, but it's a transmitter on earth and they work fine as they have always done.

right exactly, the uplink satellites are transmitters and the sky dishes on houses are recievers.

Now on the south coasts of Cornwall and the republic of Ireland the receivers point roughly south south east and upwards.

South south east of them are respectively france, and spain. I could just about see a transmitter in france on a big old tower but in Spain? that would need to be a damn big tower that B Sky B had to erect even assuming a flat earth.

Unless you think there's a floating one in between, in which case it's pretty stable for something bobbing about.

And if you doubt that the sky receiver is directional you can easily test it because you can put as much tinfoil as you like to the side of it and it makes no difference, you can make a tube of tinfoil as long as you don't cover the face, but put some in front of it, even at a distance of a few metres and you cut off or severely degrade the signal.
Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

Well if it's not space then I don't have an alternate explanation based on what I do know and what is testable.

The space hypothesis however IS supported by the physical evidence and placement of dishes however ludicrous you may believe it to be.

You may not like the term space but it nonetheless must be very high up above the ground at a height that could not be faked simply using a large mast. Given the angles of multiple dishes across the UK and abroad it must also be either a single signal source or a great many sources positioned to seem like a single one.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2013, 05:41:56 AM »
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Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

So who does know where the transmitters for satellite TV and GPS are?  Difficult to keep it secret.  I have aligned a satellite dish and it points into the sky.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2013, 06:27:08 AM »
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about as regards where a signal is coming from or going to as far as space is concerned, because you don't. Don't dare say you do, because if you do, I'll call you a liar as many times as needed.

who mentioned space? I know the direction of the signal, it could be a helicopter or weather balloon for all I know on the ground, but I can rule out a tower.

I've seen the sky installers and aerial digital installers who simply use a signal strength detector to align dishes or aerials.
They don't have a clue where it's coming from in terms of space but they may know where the transmitter is that sends the signal to the dish

 or aerial.

true, that's exactly what I'm saying, they point it towards the source of the signal

Your satellite is a transmitter, that's all it is. You can look at it as a cell tower, a transmitter aerial on a hill or in a field or whatever, but it's a transmitter on earth and they work fine as they have always done.

right exactly, the uplink satellites are transmitters and the sky dishes on houses are recievers.

Now on the south coasts of Cornwall and the republic of Ireland the receivers point roughly south south east and upwards.

South south east of them are respectively france, and spain. I could just about see a transmitter in france on a big old tower but in Spain? that would need to be a damn big tower that B Sky B had to erect even assuming a flat earth.

Unless you think there's a floating one in between, in which case it's pretty stable for something bobbing about.

And if you doubt that the sky receiver is directional you can easily test it because you can put as much tinfoil as you like to the side of it and it makes no difference, you can make a tube of tinfoil as long as you don't cover the face, but put some in front of it, even at a distance of a few metres and you cut off or severely degrade the signal.
Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

Well if it's not space then I don't have an alternate explanation based on what I do know and what is testable.

The space hypothesis however IS supported by the physical evidence and placement of dishes however ludicrous you may believe it to be.

You may not like the term space but it nonetheless must be very high up above the ground at a height that could not be faked simply using a large mast. Given the angles of multiple dishes across the UK and abroad it must also be either a single signal source or a great many sources positioned to seem like a single one.
Yes, it''s called signal bouncing off of the ionosphere.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2013, 06:28:24 AM »
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Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

So who does know where the transmitters for satellite TV and GPS are?  Difficult to keep it secret.  I have aligned a satellite dish and it points into the sky.
You can bounce radio signals off of the Ionosphere.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2013, 06:38:05 AM »
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Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

So who does know where the transmitters for satellite TV and GPS are?  Difficult to keep it secret.  I have aligned a satellite dish and it points into the sky.
You can bounce radio signals off of the Ionosphere.

Please, can you explain how do you think radio signals bounce of the ionosphere ?
An what do you think the ionosphere is ?

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Re: GPS
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2013, 06:40:15 AM »
Yes, it''s called signal bouncing off of the ionosphere.
You do realize that bouncing signals off of the ionosphere is not possible 100% of the time, don't you?
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Re: GPS
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2013, 06:57:32 AM »
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about as regards where a signal is coming from or going to as far as space is concerned, because you don't. Don't dare say you do, because if you do, I'll call you a liar as many times as needed.

who mentioned space? I know the direction of the signal, it could be a helicopter or weather balloon for all I know on the ground, but I can rule out a tower.

I've seen the sky installers and aerial digital installers who simply use a signal strength detector to align dishes or aerials.
They don't have a clue where it's coming from in terms of space but they may know where the transmitter is that sends the signal to the dish

 or aerial.

true, that's exactly what I'm saying, they point it towards the source of the signal

Your satellite is a transmitter, that's all it is. You can look at it as a cell tower, a transmitter aerial on a hill or in a field or whatever, but it's a transmitter on earth and they work fine as they have always done.

right exactly, the uplink satellites are transmitters and the sky dishes on houses are recievers.

Now on the south coasts of Cornwall and the republic of Ireland the receivers point roughly south south east and upwards.

South south east of them are respectively france, and spain. I could just about see a transmitter in france on a big old tower but in Spain? that would need to be a damn big tower that B Sky B had to erect even assuming a flat earth.

Unless you think there's a floating one in between, in which case it's pretty stable for something bobbing about.

And if you doubt that the sky receiver is directional you can easily test it because you can put as much tinfoil as you like to the side of it and it makes no difference, you can make a tube of tinfoil as long as you don't cover the face, but put some in front of it, even at a distance of a few metres and you cut off or severely degrade the signal.
Just admit that you don't honestly know where the signals are really going to or coming from in terms of space, because that's the real issue here.
We can argue all day long about where transmitters are or aren't, but none of us really know, except that they are not in space.

Well if it's not space then I don't have an alternate explanation based on what I do know and what is testable.

The space hypothesis however IS supported by the physical evidence and placement of dishes however ludicrous you may believe it to be.

You may not like the term space but it nonetheless must be very high up above the ground at a height that could not be faked simply using a large mast. Given the angles of multiple dishes across the UK and abroad it must also be either a single signal source or a great many sources positioned to seem like a single one.
Yes, it''s called signal bouncing off of the ionosphere.

really?

nevertheless, once we get your accurate map of the world you're working on we ought to be able to work out where the transmitter is from the direction the dishes point.

The current world map would put it somewhere off the coast of Africa.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2013, 07:08:45 AM »
I hope you all realise that the air you are in is ALL magnetically charged, don't you.