So, you know you can....

Damn it, I forgot about SOLAR wind.
And what does this solar wind do to the rotation of earth around the sun?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:15:51 PM

Damn it, I forgot about SOLAR wind.
And what does this solar wind do to the rotation of earth around the sun?

Considering the mass of the earth and the amount of particles in the solar wind, not much.

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:15:34 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:11:08 PM

That's fine, but we are talking about space itself, really. As in, earth around the sun. And as earth is supposedly in the vacuum or what you call a near vacuum, it's basically in a frictionless environment by how you lot perceive it.

How in the hell it would act like a gyroscope in that environment, escapes me.

Do you even understand what a gyroscope is?  The only thing that friction does to a gyroscope is slow it down so gyroscopes, if anything, would work better in a frictionless environment.

Really? so tell me then, Markjo, tell me how it works in a WEIGHTLESS environment.

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:15:51 PM

Damn it, I forgot about SOLAR wind.
And what does this solar wind do to the rotation of earth around the sun?

Considering the mass of the earth and the amount of particles in the solar wind, not much.

Ok, so we can rule out solar wind then, right?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:15:51 PM

Damn it, I forgot about SOLAR wind.
And what does this solar wind do to the rotation of earth around the sun?

Considering the mass of the earth and the amount of particles in the solar wind, not much.

Ok, so we can rule out solar wind then, right?

Rule it out of what?  I'm just saying the fact that there is a solar wind proves that outer space is not a perfect vacuum.

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:23:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:15:51 PM

Damn it, I forgot about SOLAR wind.
And what does this solar wind do to the rotation of earth around the sun?

Considering the mass of the earth and the amount of particles in the solar wind, not much.

Ok, so we can rule out solar wind then, right?

Rule it out of what?  I'm just saying the fact that there is a solar wind proves that outer space is not a perfect vacuum.

Where have you observed this solar wind, Markjo?

I don't mean, "someone told me so" or" I just know" or, " it's common knowledge"...I want to know how you know about this solar wind.
I mean, does it blow, as in, make your scarf flap behind your neck or brush your hair back. What is it?

That's fine, but we are talking about space itself, really. As in, earth around the sun. And as earth is supposedly in the vacuum or what you call a near vacuum, it's basically in a frictionless environment by how you lot perceive it.

How in the hell it would act like a gyroscope in that environment, escapes me.

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:23:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 15, 2013, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 01:15:51 PM

Damn it, I forgot about SOLAR wind.
And what does this solar wind do to the rotation of earth around the sun?

Considering the mass of the earth and the amount of particles in the solar wind, not much.

Ok, so we can rule out solar wind then, right?

Rule it out of what?  I'm just saying the fact that there is a solar wind proves that outer space is not a perfect vacuum.

Where have you observed this solar wind, Markjo?

I don't mean, "someone told me so" or" I just know" or, " it's common knowledge"...I want to know how you know about this solar wind.
I mean, does it blow, as in, make your scarf flap behind your neck or brush your hair back. What is it?

Quote from: Whiskey on November 15, 2013, 01:08:49 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 12:53:45 PM

Would you like to do the experiment again, because your little ceiling con job cuts no ice.
Pick the corner of the wall where it meets the ceiling and do it again.

Nope. I'm doing the experiment exactly as you described. Forcing me to pick a corner isn't "pointing anywhere I like".

And using your own experiment I've proved that a football "earth" can orbit a fruit bowl sun without changing it's orientation whatsoever. You said that "naturally this couldn't be done. How do you explain that?

So where about on the ceiling did you point your axis pole at? let me guess: around the centre, inside of the tables circumference, right?

What a little con artist, lol.

The train experiment is more valid than Scepti's.  In that experiment, the ability for the object to rotate independently of the force that is causing it to move is very relevant.  In Scepti's experiment, he is the force causing the football to point towards the fruit bowl. Which is not a very sound way to conduct an experiment.  His results are then biased by his approach.

In the train experiment, the gyroscope is free to rotate any direction since it is on freely moving gimbals.  Now since the gyroscope can rotate without being effected by the motion of the train, it represents the orbit of the earth.  In it, we get a less biased result.  One that also mimics what is seen in the solar system.

Enough with the "troll" accusation.  Nobody here is trolling, it's called DEBATE.  Not everyone thinks in a box.  The train set and gyroscope experiment is irrelevant.  The Earth is not ON a train....it's not ON anything that is going around the sun.  In fact, show me a real life situation of a spinning sphere going around a more massive object where the sphere stays at one angle.  That will prove it for me.

The only situation I have observed is a spinning top that rights itself when placed in a vacuum...whereas outside of the vacuum, it tilted.

Earth as a gyroscope is an absolute load of garbage. How people can even suggest it, is nonsensical.
Your earth is a BALL or let's go for the the little extra and say, your oblate spheroid, in space. It doesn't have anything else aiding it like an earth gyroscope has.

Now one minute people say the earth is slowly spinning compared to it's size and now it's spinning like a gyroscope.
Your earth tilt and the way it's shown, is nonsense and absolutely defies logic when people take the time to look at it, in how it's supposed to work.

Quote from: BJ1234 on November 15, 2013, 02:30:30 PM

The train experiment is more valid than Scepti's.  In that experiment, the ability for the object to rotate independently of the force that is causing it to move is very relevant.  In Scepti's experiment, he is the force causing the football to point towards the fruit bowl. Which is not a very sound way to conduct an experiment.  His results are then biased by his approach.

In the train experiment, the gyroscope is free to rotate any direction since it is on freely moving gimbals.  Now since the gyroscope can rotate without being effected by the motion of the train, it represents the orbit of the earth.  In it, we get a less biased result.  One that also mimics what is seen in the solar system.

Earth as a gyroscope is an absolute load of garbage. How people can even suggest it, is nonsensical.
Your earth is a BALL or let's go for the the little extra and say, your oblate spheroid, in space. It doesn't have anything else aiding it like an earth gyroscope has.

Now one minute people say the earth is slowly spinning compared to it's size and now it's spinning like a gyroscope.
Your earth tilt and the way it's shown, is nonsense and absolutely defies logic when people take the time to look at it, in how it's supposed to work.

ALL the planets are on the SAME plane as Earth.  WHAT A COINCEDENCE!   

The only situation I have observed is a spinning top that rights itself when placed in a vacuum...whereas outside of the vacuum, it tilted.

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I hope, free thinkers that are looking at all this round earth SHOEHORNED nonsense, can see it for what it is.
The stuff they have had to fit in, just to account for what we observe, that in reality, would defy the logic and common sense of every rational person who has the ability to THINK for THEMSELVES.

What!..we are living on a ball?, oh, ok, so why don't we fall off?
Ahhhhh, well, the ball isn't quite a ball shape in full...it's like a slightly squashed ball and it's spinning at 1000 mph, plus.
But, why don't we get flung off?
Well! we don't, because of GRAVITY.
Oh, I see, so what is gravity?

Well, it's this force that holds us all down. We don't really know what it actually is, but it's there, trust us. I mean, you're not falling, are you?
Well, no, I suppose not, but it seems a bit far fetched, yet I'll have to go along with it, I suppose.
So, how come we have winter and summer and days and nights?

Ahhh...well, it's because the ball that we are on is tilted 23.5 degrees and it whizzes around the huge centralised sun and one spin of the earth, equals one day and one orbit of the sun, equals 1 year.

Oh, I see, so what makes it orbit the sun and how come we don't get sucked into it?

Well, we are well balanced, somehow, with all the other planets, so we don't get pushed away or pulled in, we just perfectly orbit the sun, except the orbit isn't fully circular, it's ELLIPTICAL, so we move closer in December, about 5 million kilometres.

Oh, I see...but wouldn't that make it hotter?
Well, no, not really, it's just, ermmm, like that. It works. I mean, you're here aren't you?

Well, I suppose so, but why doesn't the earth get pulled into the sun when it gets closer in this strange unexplainable ELLIPTICAL orbit?

Well...it just doesn't, because, ermmm, it's finely balanced, once again.
Oh, ok.

And so on and so on and so on...and yet, if you catch them early enough...like, say... infant age...and feed them slowly, you too can grow up and believe all this stuff. It doesn't matter that each explanation gets more bizarre...just accept it all, because, after all...it works, because we are here, aren't we?

Any chance of it not being like this and maybe the explanations are bizarre because there might be a better explanation?

NO...NO.NOOOO....THIS IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO DARES TO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER, WILL BE RIDICULED.

And basically this is what we are dealing with. Fabrications after fabrications of the earth that we live on and we HAVE to be TOLD what it is and accept it and accept everything that goes with it, from the sublime to the absolutely ridiculous in small and extremely large proportions, respectively.

If anyone wants to pick holes in it...do so, because they have ready made answers...and if they don't...they will make one up to fit, no matter how ridiculous it appears.

Bloody tilted earth. lol
Solar winds and what not and here we are spinning at over 1000 mph, whilst whizzing around the sun at 67,000 mph, etc.
Oh and our solar system is about 25,000 light years.....yes, I said 25 THOUSAND LIGHT YEARS away from the centre of the GALAXY and that galaxy makes one.....I said ONE, rotation, every?....every?...I bet you were thinking I was going to say, every 100 years or so.
Actually, it's closer to 250 million years. Yes that's right, it takes about 250 million years to make one rotation.

They've obviously done all the calculations, so don't even go there, because us humans with our telescopes and calculators and other little gizmos, can work this stuff out and it's all ROUGHLY  correct, because they say it is, which should be good enough for the average Joe, eh?

No direct proof of any of this is required, because you wouldn't understand, anyway. I mean, you can go to university and study it and pretend you know and make a few people sit gaping mouthed at your story telling scientific mimicking of text books and such, but there is no need to go to any trouble in giving any direct proof of any of it, but make sure that anyone who has an alternative theory, prove that theory DIRECTLY and if they can't, you can then ridicule them and tell them that their theory is worthless, whilst hanging on to your own text book induced one, as the proof in that global pudding.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 04:14:23 PM

I hope, free thinkers that are looking at all this round earth SHOEHORNED nonsense, can see it for what it is.
The stuff they have had to fit in, just to account for what we observe, that in reality, would defy the logic and common sense of every rational person who has the ability to THINK for THEMSELVES.

What!..we are living on a ball?, oh, ok, so why don't we fall off?
Ahhhhh, well, the ball isn't quite a ball shape in full...it's like a slightly squashed ball and it's spinning at 1000 mph, plus.
But, why don't we get flung off?
Well! we don't, because of GRAVITY.
Oh, I see, so what is gravity?

Well, it's this force that holds us all down. We don't really know what it actually is, but it's there, trust us. I mean, you're not falling, are you?
Well, no, I suppose not, but it seems a bit far fetched, yet I'll have to go along with it, I suppose.
So, how come we have winter and summer and days and nights?

Ahhh...well, it's because the ball that we are on is tilted 23.5 degrees and it whizzes around the huge centralised sun and one spin of the earth, equals one day and one orbit of the sun, equals 1 year.

Oh, I see, so what makes it orbit the sun and how come we don't get sucked into it?

Well, we are well balanced, somehow, with all the other planets, so we don't get pushed away or pulled in, we just perfectly orbit the sun, except the orbit isn't fully circular, it's ELLIPTICAL, so we move closer in December, about 5 million kilometres.

Oh, I see...but wouldn't that make it hotter?
Well, no, not really, it's just, ermmm, like that. It works. I mean, you're here aren't you?

Well, I suppose so, but why doesn't the earth get pulled into the sun when it gets closer in this strange unexplainable ELLIPTICAL orbit?

Well...it just doesn't, because, ermmm, it's finely balanced, once again.
Oh, ok.

And so on and so on and so on...and yet, if you catch them early enough...like, say... infant age...and feed them slowly, you too can grow up and believe all this stuff. It doesn't matter that each explanation gets more bizarre...just accept it all, because, after all...it works, because we are here, aren't we?

Any chance of it not being like this and maybe the explanations are bizarre because there might be a better explanation?

NO...NO.NOOOO....THIS IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO DARES TO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER, WILL BE RIDICULED.

And basically this is what we are dealing with. Fabrications after fabrications of the earth that we live on and we HAVE to be TOLD what it is and accept it and accept everything that goes with it, from the sublime to the absolutely ridiculous in small and extremely large proportions, respectively.

If anyone wants to pick holes in it...do so, because they have ready made answers...and if they don't...they will make one up to fit, no matter how ridiculous it appears.

Bloody tilted earth. lol
Solar winds and what not and here we are spinning at over 1000 mph, whilst whizzing around the sun at 67,000 mph, etc.
Oh and our solar system is about 25,000 light years.....yes, I said 25 THOUSAND LIGHT YEARS away from the centre of the GALAXY and that galaxy makes one.....I said ONE, rotation, every?....every?...I bet you were thinking I was going to say, every 100 years or so.
Actually, it's closer to 250 million years. Yes that's right, it takes about 250 million years to make one rotation.

They've obviously done all the calculations, so don't even go there, because us humans with our telescopes and calculators and other little gizmos, can work this stuff out and it's all ROUGHLY  correct, because they say it is, which should be good enough for the average Joe, eh?

No direct proof of any of this is required, because you wouldn't understand, anyway. I mean, you can go to university and study it and pretend you know and make a few people sit gaping mouthed at your story telling scientific mimicking of text books and such, but there is no need to go to any trouble in giving any direct proof of any of it, but make sure that anyone who has an alternative theory, prove that theory DIRECTLY and if they can't, you can then ridicule them and tell them that their theory is worthless, whilst hanging on to your own text book induced one, as the proof in that global pudding.

Well, just because YOU can't, for the life of you, understand it, doesn't mean other people cannot. You seem to have the unique ability to not understand very basic, simple concepts. I wouldn't call that free-thinking. I'd call that just...unfortunate...without any real thinking at all.

That is a good summary Scepti, well done.

If you don't mind I, would like to sell posters of that at The Flat Earth Museum. We can work out the royalties later.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth on November 15, 2013, 04:25:01 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 04:14:23 PM

I hope, free thinkers that are looking at all this round earth SHOEHORNED nonsense, can see it for what it is.
The stuff they have had to fit in, just to account for what we observe, that in reality, would defy the logic and common sense of every rational person who has the ability to THINK for THEMSELVES.

What!..we are living on a ball?, oh, ok, so why don't we fall off?
Ahhhhh, well, the ball isn't quite a ball shape in full...it's like a slightly squashed ball and it's spinning at 1000 mph, plus.
But, why don't we get flung off?
Well! we don't, because of GRAVITY.
Oh, I see, so what is gravity?

Well, it's this force that holds us all down. We don't really know what it actually is, but it's there, trust us. I mean, you're not falling, are you?
Well, no, I suppose not, but it seems a bit far fetched, yet I'll have to go along with it, I suppose.
So, how come we have winter and summer and days and nights?

Ahhh...well, it's because the ball that we are on is tilted 23.5 degrees and it whizzes around the huge centralised sun and one spin of the earth, equals one day and one orbit of the sun, equals 1 year.

Oh, I see, so what makes it orbit the sun and how come we don't get sucked into it?

Well, we are well balanced, somehow, with all the other planets, so we don't get pushed away or pulled in, we just perfectly orbit the sun, except the orbit isn't fully circular, it's ELLIPTICAL, so we move closer in December, about 5 million kilometres.

Oh, I see...but wouldn't that make it hotter?
Well, no, not really, it's just, ermmm, like that. It works. I mean, you're here aren't you?

Well, I suppose so, but why doesn't the earth get pulled into the sun when it gets closer in this strange unexplainable ELLIPTICAL orbit?

Well...it just doesn't, because, ermmm, it's finely balanced, once again.
Oh, ok.

And so on and so on and so on...and yet, if you catch them early enough...like, say... infant age...and feed them slowly, you too can grow up and believe all this stuff. It doesn't matter that each explanation gets more bizarre...just accept it all, because, after all...it works, because we are here, aren't we?

Any chance of it not being like this and maybe the explanations are bizarre because there might be a better explanation?

NO...NO.NOOOO....THIS IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO DARES TO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER, WILL BE RIDICULED.

And basically this is what we are dealing with. Fabrications after fabrications of the earth that we live on and we HAVE to be TOLD what it is and accept it and accept everything that goes with it, from the sublime to the absolutely ridiculous in small and extremely large proportions, respectively.

If anyone wants to pick holes in it...do so, because they have ready made answers...and if they don't...they will make one up to fit, no matter how ridiculous it appears.

Bloody tilted earth. lol
Solar winds and what not and here we are spinning at over 1000 mph, whilst whizzing around the sun at 67,000 mph, etc.
Oh and our solar system is about 25,000 light years.....yes, I said 25 THOUSAND LIGHT YEARS away from the centre of the GALAXY and that galaxy makes one.....I said ONE, rotation, every?....every?...I bet you were thinking I was going to say, every 100 years or so.
Actually, it's closer to 250 million years. Yes that's right, it takes about 250 million years to make one rotation.

They've obviously done all the calculations, so don't even go there, because us humans with our telescopes and calculators and other little gizmos, can work this stuff out and it's all ROUGHLY  correct, because they say it is, which should be good enough for the average Joe, eh?

No direct proof of any of this is required, because you wouldn't understand, anyway. I mean, you can go to university and study it and pretend you know and make a few people sit gaping mouthed at your story telling scientific mimicking of text books and such, but there is no need to go to any trouble in giving any direct proof of any of it, but make sure that anyone who has an alternative theory, prove that theory DIRECTLY and if they can't, you can then ridicule them and tell them that their theory is worthless, whilst hanging on to your own text book induced one, as the proof in that global pudding.

Well, just because YOU can't, for the life of you, understand it, doesn't mean other people cannot. You seem to have the unique ability to not understand very basic, simple concepts. I wouldn't call that free-thinking. I'd call that just...unfortunate...without any real thinking at all.

It's of no consequence to me, what you call it, to be fair.
What counts is what I think, not what you think. I'm happy in the knowledge, for now, that I've managed to, at the very least, rid myself of even entertaining a rotating globe and a lot of the nonsense that goes with it.
What I have to do now is...I have to fine tune my ideas on my flat earth and ice dome, which I'm SLOWLY but surely, picking at, bit by bit, with the help of someone.

Whether I get it all in order, I don't know, but I believe 100% that I'm on the right track, regardless of what you or any other person, thinks.

I hope, free thinkers that are looking at all this round earth SHOEHORNED nonsense, can see it for what it is.
The stuff they have had to fit in, just to account for what we observe, that in reality, would defy the logic and common sense of every rational person who has the ability to THINK for THEMSELVES.
Etc.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 15, 2013, 02:46:21 PM

Earth as a gyroscope is an absolute load of garbage. How people can even suggest it, is nonsensical.
Your earth is a BALL or let's go for the the little extra and say, your oblate spheroid, in space. It doesn't have anything else aiding it like an earth gyroscope has.

Now one minute people say the earth is slowly spinning compared to it's size and now it's spinning like a gyroscope.
Your earth tilt and the way it's shown, is nonsense and absolutely defies logic when people take the time to look at it, in how it's supposed to work.

Scepti, what do you think a gyroscope has assisting it?  If you're referring to the gimbal, that's just to replicate a three dimensional axis of movement as opposed to the two dimensions it would have on a surface.

By the way, something can spin relatively slowly, but still have huge angular momentum.  It just needs to have a huge mass which, surprise, the Earth does.  Nothing logic defying about it if you know half a thing about the science behind it.

I hope, free thinkers that are looking at all this round earth SHOEHORNED nonsense, can see it for what it is.
The stuff they have had to fit in, just to account for what we observe, that in reality, would defy the logic and common sense of every rational person who has the ability to THINK for THEMSELVES.

What!..we are living on a ball?, oh, ok, so why don't we fall off?
Ahhhhh, well, the ball isn't quite a ball shape in full...it's like a slightly squashed ball and it's spinning at 1000 mph, plus.
But, why don't we get flung off?
Well! we don't, because of GRAVITY.
Oh, I see, so what is gravity?

Well, it's this force that holds us all down. We don't really know what it actually is, but it's there, trust us. I mean, you're not falling, are you?

Well, no, I suppose not, but it seems a bit far fetched, yet I'll have to go along with it, I suppose.
So, how come we have winter and summer and days and nights?

Ahhh...well, it's because the ball that we are on is tilted 23.5 degrees and it whizzes around the huge centralised sun and one spin of the earth, equals one day and one orbit of the sun, equals 1 year.

Oh, I see, so what makes it orbit the sun and how come we don't get sucked into it?


Well, we are well balanced, somehow, with all the other planets, so we don't get pushed away or pulled in, we just perfectly orbit the sun, except the orbit isn't fully circular, it's ELLIPTICAL, so we move closer in December, about 5 million kilometres.

Oh, I see...but wouldn't that make it hotter?
Well, no, not really, it's just, ermmm, like that. It works. I mean, you're here aren't you?

Well, I suppose so, but why doesn't the earth get pulled into the sun when it gets closer in this strange unexplainable ELLIPTICAL orbit?

Well...it just doesn't, because, ermmm, it's finely balanced, once again.
Oh, ok.

And so on and so on and so on...and yet, if you catch them early enough...like, say... infant age...and feed them slowly, you too can grow up and believe all this stuff. It doesn't matter that each explanation gets more bizarre...just accept it all, because, after all...it works, because we are here, aren't we?

Any chance of it not being like this and maybe the explanations are bizarre because there might be a better explanation?

NO...NO.NOOOO....THIS IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO DARES TO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER, WILL BE RIDICULED.

And basically this is what we are dealing with. Fabrications after fabrications of the earth that we live on and we HAVE to be TOLD what it is and accept it and accept everything that goes with it, from the sublime to the absolutely ridiculous in small and extremely large proportions, respectively.

If anyone wants to pick holes in it...do so, because they have ready made answers...and if they don't...they will make one up to fit, no matter how ridiculous it appears.

Bloody tilted earth. lol
Solar winds and what not and here we are spinning at over 1000 mph, whilst whizzing around the sun at 67,000 mph, etc.
Oh and our solar system is about 25,000 light years.....yes, I said 25 THOUSAND LIGHT YEARS away from the centre of the GALAXY and that galaxy makes one.....I said ONE, rotation, every?....every?...I bet you were thinking I was going to say, every 100 years or so.
Actually, it's closer to 250 million years. Yes that's right, it takes about 250 million years to make one rotation.

They've obviously done all the calculations, so don't even go there, because us humans with our telescopes and calculators and other little gizmos, can work this stuff out and it's all ROUGHLY  correct, because they say it is, which should be good enough for the average Joe, eh?

No direct proof of any of this is required, because you wouldn't understand, anyway. I mean, you can go to university and study it and pretend you know and make a few people sit gaping mouthed at your story telling scientific mimicking of text books and such, but there is no need to go to any trouble in giving any direct proof of any of it, but make sure that anyone who has an alternative theory, prove that theory DIRECTLY and if they can't, you can then ridicule them and tell them that their theory is worthless, whilst hanging on to your own text book induced one, as the proof in that global pudding.

Quote from: Scintific Method on November 15, 2013, 01:00:31 PM

Scepti, your "experiment" sucks. It does not even begin to represent reality, or the physics of the system it is supposed to represent. Try this instead, it will be more accurate:

- get a model train set, with enough track to make a circle, and one flatbed car
- get a small gyroscope that you can mount on the flatbed on gimbals so that it is free to move in all axes
- set the gyroscope spinning, but on a slight tilt, to represent the earth's tilt (23.5°)
- start the model train running around it's circular track
- observe the gyroscope and tell me what it does

If you actually do this experiment, you might just find out something very interesting!

Do you have a train set, because I don't. If you do. How about doing this experiment and posting it up.

In the mean time, would you care to tell me how a gyroscope works in your weightless vacuum?

Your earth is a BALL or let's go for the the little extra and say, your oblate spheroid, in space. It doesn't have anything else aiding it like an earth gyroscope has.

Now one minute people say the earth is slowly spinning compared to it's size and now it's spinning like a gyroscope.
Your earth tilt and the way it's shown, is nonsense and absolutely defies logic when people take the time to look at it, in how it's supposed to work.

This gyroscope carry on is scraping the barrel.
You people believe in a vacuum of space, regardless of it not being quite a full vacuum, because, well, it has BITS of dust in it and such, doesn't it?
So this gyroscope earth spins around the sun and apparently keeps it's poles in one position...YET, it manages to go around it by showing the sun it's north pole and south pole over the course of the revolution.

Come on people, have a serious think as to why this cannot work. Yes, I know how it appears on animated drawings, but surely some of you can see how wrong it is and cannot work the way they say it does, regardless of this silly space gyroscope analogy.

For any person who can think for themselves are are not fully brainwashed...go and look at my diagrams and then do the table experiment I told about and you will see how silly the axial tilt of a rotating globe around a central point, (sun) cannot work.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2013, 03:20:51 AM

This gyroscope carry on is scraping the barrel.
You people believe in a vacuum of space, regardless of it not being quite a full vacuum, because, well, it has BITS of dust in it and such, doesn't it?
So this gyroscope earth spins around the sun and apparently keeps it's poles in one position...YET, it manages to go around it by showing the sun it's north pole and south pole over the course of the revolution.

Come on people, have a serious think as to why this cannot work. Yes, I know how it appears on animated drawings, but surely some of you can see how wrong it is and cannot work the way they say it does, regardless of this silly space gyroscope analogy.

For any person who can think for themselves are are not fully brainwashed...go and look at my diagrams and then do the table experiment I told about and you will see how silly the axial tilt of a rotating globe around a central point, (sun) cannot work.

How could a gyroscope (or object behaving like a gyroscope, such as a spinning round earth), continuously change orientation so as to keep one pole pointed at the centre of it's (very roughly) circular course? The thing about gyroscopes is that they DON'T change their orientation (unless acted on by an outside force), that's what makes them so useful!