How far could you see?

Quote from: 29silhouette on December 19, 2013, 09:57:22 AM

In all the videos of vacuum chambers operating you are able to find, are the objects inside visible?  Yes or no.

Yes because there is light on the OUTSIDE of the chamber.  Light obviously propagates through the air we breathe.  But that is not the same as light propagating INSIDE the chamber where there is extremely little air.  The light from outside the chamber is illuminating the inside of the chamber.

to illuminate things inside the chamber it MUST travel inside the chamber, reflect off the objects and travel back out to your eyes.

Even scepti will admit that's exactly how light works because that's what he's been arguing happens in discussions about ships and horizons.

It's also worth noting that an LED is an example of light in a vacuum.

But that's where you are misunderstanding.  How can you be sure it's not the glass (medium) that interacts with the light?  And Spank, an LED (or any light bulb) is making a sound which turns into light.

But that's where you are misunderstanding.  How can you be sure it's not the glass (medium) that interacts with the light?  And Spank, an LED (or any light bulb) is making a sound which turns into light.

Because the objects are inside the vacuum, if it was the glass then all you'd see would be the glass.


LED's are silent although that does raise the question of you believing that SOUND can travel in a vacuum?

really, sound but not light? that's your stance on the matter?

Human ears cannot hear sound coming from inside a vacuum chamber. Other creatures probably can. And yes light makes a sound even if you can't hear it.  It's all about frequency.

Human ears cannot hear sound coming from inside a vacuum chamber. Other creatures probably can. And yes light makes a sound even if you can't hear it.  It's all about frequency.

so again, sound CAN propagate through a vacuum...

but light CAN'T?

Just to clarify.

How can you be sure it's not the glass (medium) that interacts with the light?

You are the dumbest person in the world. Sorry, but you are.

If it was just the glass..........your vision would end with the glass. You wouldn't see what is on the other side.

Pull your head out of scepti's ass.

I'm not even going to respond to your comment UM.
Spank, let me ask you this.  If you put a microphone INSIDE the chamber with a bell ringing and attached it to speakers on the outside of the chamber, could you hear it through the speakers?  My point is, what we perceive on the outside of the chamber is not the same as what is going on on the inside.

I'm not even going to respond to your comment UM.
Spank, let me ask you this.  If you put a microphone INSIDE the chamber with a bell ringing and attached it to speakers on the outside of the chamber, could you hear it through the speakers?

no. The microphone wouldnt pick up a sound unless there was direct contact with the bell, any gap would not allow sound transmission.

  My point is, what we perceive on the outside of the chamber is not the same as what is going on on the inside.

yes, yes it is.  If we can see an object in the chamber light must be passing into the chamber reflecting off the object and returning to your eyes.

a light inside the chamber would be no different to a light passing through he chamber and back out again.

By "direct contact", you mean touching it?  I meant next to it, inside the chamber.

By "direct contact", you mean touching it?  I meant next to it, inside the chamber.

in which case, as far as I'm aware, the microphone wouldn't pick anything up.

I'd still like a reply to my question with regard to your beliefs on light and sound propagation in the vacuum chamber, it seemed like you were saying sound could travel but light could not?

Well, I cannot answer that until I see undeniable evidence of light coming from INSIDE a vacuum chamber and a microphone in one with a bell.

A simple experiment to show what sound is. I saw this experiment at Mall of America.
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Well, I cannot answer that until I see undeniable evidence of light coming from INSIDE a vacuum chamber and a microphone in one with a bell.

So you don't know?
Okay.

Well if you can see something inside a vacuum chamber then light is passing through it and coming out from inside.

I can see that bell in the post above so light must be able to pass through a vacuum.

This question is directed at the flat earther only.
I do not believe the earth to be round and I feel  if I had a telescope with enough power I could see great distances maybe even other countries, does this fit with your beliefs?

how far you can see is irrelevant, you don't shoot a beam out of your eyes, your eyes accept light and translate it to images. at night you can see light-years away because the stars a just so bright. you aren't seeing light-years away, light travels from light-years away to make to you in the for of images, the lighting on earth is from heavenly bodies and shines down on it and the way light goes to you is very complicated, its all vectors and stuff which is hard for me to describe without an image. point... you have no limit to how far you can see, It all depends on lighting.  if the earth were truly flat I would see Wisconsin and Canada every time I visited the lake...yet I don't so

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How can you be sure it's not the glass (medium) that interacts with the light?

You are the dumbest person in the world. Sorry, but you are.

If it was just the glass..........your vision would end with the glass. You wouldn't see what is on the other side.

Pull your head out of scepti's ass.

No, dick head, you and your round earth cronies are the ridiculously naive sheep that willingly walk forward to the cull.
Earthisaspaceship is clued up...something that most of you don't even know the meaning of the word.
It's worrying, it really is.
Bark all you want, you prat, but all you are, is a mental mainstream follower that believes that memorising bull crap, makes you intelligent. lol

No, dick head, you and your round earth cronies are the ridiculously naive sheep that willingly walk forward to the cull.

You shouldn't call people names. It's not polite.

Earthisaspaceship is clued up

Yes, clearly.

something that most of you don't even know the meaning of the word.
It's worrying, it really is.

Indeed.

The fact that so many people don't believe in a magic invisible ice wall and the moon being a reflection of the earth is disturbing. Truly.

Bark all you want, you prat, but all you are, is a mental mainstream follower that believes that memorising bull crap, makes you intelligent. lol

I guess if I really wanted to be intelligent I would just go on message boards and make up stuff that couldn't possibly be true and then call anyone that questions it sheep.

Yeah, that would make me super intelligent.

Quote from: Umurweird on December 19, 2013, 12:14:57 PM

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How can you be sure it's not the glass (medium) that interacts with the light?

You are the dumbest person in the world. Sorry, but you are.

If it was just the glass..........your vision would end with the glass. You wouldn't see what is on the other side.

Pull your head out of scepti's ass.

No, dick head, you and your round earth cronies are the ridiculously naive sheep that willingly walk forward to the cull.
Earthisaspaceship is clued up...something that most of you don't even know the meaning of the word.
It's worrying, it really is.
Bark all you want, you prat, but all you are, is a mental mainstream follower that believes that memorising bull crap, makes you intelligent. lol

A simple youtube video disproved everything you say. We know who is really crying.

Well if you can see something inside a vacuum chamber then light is passing through it and coming out from inside.

I can see that bell in the post above so light must be able to pass through a vacuum.

Alright this is what I need to see then because the glass chamber is not working to prove my point.  Someone please record a flashlight inside a vacuum that is not made of glass!

A simple youtube video disproved everything you say. We know who is really crying.

The video above?  No, it did not disprove anything Scepti or I have said.  It proves that a ringing bell inside a vacuum is inaudible to us outside the vacuum.  THAT IS ALL.

Quote from: Spank86 on December 19, 2013, 01:24:35 PM

Well if you can see something inside a vacuum chamber then light is passing through it and coming out from inside.

I can see that bell in the post above so light must be able to pass through a vacuum.

Alright this is what I need to see then because the glass chamber is not working to prove my point.  Someone please record a flashlight inside a vacuum that is not made of glass!

I will do this. At work the vacuum desiccator is plastic. I will tell you right now, I can see stuff inside of it.

Quote from: sokarul on December 19, 2013, 04:13:41 PM

A simple youtube video disproved everything you say. We know who is really crying.

The video above?  No, it did not disprove anything Scepti or I have said.  It proves that a ringing bell inside a vacuum is inaudible to us outside the vacuum.  THAT IS ALL.

There is no air so pressure waves cannot be created. Not rocket science.

Quote from: sokarul on December 19, 2013, 04:13:41 PM

A simple youtube video disproved everything you say. We know who is really crying.

The video above?  No, it did not disprove anything Scepti or I have said.  It proves that a ringing bell inside a vacuum is inaudible to us outside the vacuum.  THAT IS ALL.

Yes it does proove you wrong.  Your claim is that light and light are the same.  Since you cannot hear the bell outside the vacuum chamber yet you can still see it, it shows that they are not the same thing.

The video above?  No, it did not disprove anything Scepti or I have said.  It proves that a ringing bell inside a vacuum is inaudible to us outside the vacuum.  THAT IS ALL.

You can see the bell, right? But you can't hear it, right?

Does that not sink in?

Alright this is what I need to see then because the glass chamber is not working to prove my point.  Someone please record a flashlight inside a vacuum that is not made of glass!

Just for interests sake, what would you like it made of?

There is no air so pressure waves cannot be created. Not rocket science.

Yes.  So think about it, without pressure waves in space (a vacuum), how can there be light if there is no sound? Light IS sound.  A sonogram (sound) creates an image (a visual perception).

Yes it does proove you wrong.  Your claim is that light and light are the same.  Since you cannot hear the bell outside the vacuum chamber yet you can still see it, it shows that they are not the same thing.

Nope.  I see the bell because it is in a LIT room and that light penetrates through the glass.  It is not the same as a flashlight inside an opaque vacuum chamber.

You can see the bell, right? But you can't hear it, right?

Does that not sink in?

Stop asking me questions.  I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop responding to me altogether.

Stop asking me questions.  I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop responding to me altogether.

I'd greatly appreciate you reading a book and becoming educated but I'm quite certain the odds of that are low.

Nope.  I see the bell because it is in a LIT room and that light penetrates through the glass.  It is not the same as a flashlight inside an opaque vacuum chamber.

In order for you to see the bell the light outside the vacuum has to travel inside and then back out to your eyes.

If the light couldn't travel inside the vacuum...........you wouldn't see the bell.

It's really that simple.

Quote from: sokarul on December 19, 2013, 04:40:20 PM

There is no air so pressure waves cannot be created. Not rocket science.

Yes.  So think about it, without pressure waves in space (a vacuum), how can there be light if there is no sound? Light IS sound.  A sonogram (sound) creates an image (a visual perception).

how can you see without light?

Quote from: sokarul on December 19, 2013, 04:40:20 PM

There is no air so pressure waves cannot be created. Not rocket science.

Yes.  So think about it, without pressure waves in space (a vacuum), how can there be light if there is no sound? Light IS sound.  A sonogram (sound) creates an image (a visual perception).

Light not being sound solves all the problems.