How far could you see?

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The Sun is certainly not stationary.

depends on your frame of reference.

Nobody lives on the Sun.

My God! really?
Who would've thought?

I'm saying that the Sun is only completely stationary relative to the observer on the Sun.

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Quote from: Moosedrool on January 01, 2014, 01:59:44 AM

The Sun is certainly not stationary.

Yeah it orbit's around our galaxy and our entire galaxy is moving towards the great attractor but relative to our solar system it's pretty stationary, rotating on it's own axis with a very slight wobble.

Pretty stationary isn't stationary. 

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I don't understand how what I said was false. I just had to give someone else the definition of stationary on another thread, but here :
stationary
Houghton Mifflin
adj.adjective

Not moving.
Not capable of being moved; fixed.
Unchanging.
a stationary sound.
n.noun

One that is stationary.
Variation
n.: stationaries

If the Sun even slightly wobbles, it is not stationary.
But it wobbles and rotates.
Hardly stationary.

Nothing you said is false but the core purpose of this discussion is that the sun does not move in a circular motion above earth's surface but that the global earth moves around the sun.

Your argument of motion relative to our solar system is accurate but comparing the circular small sun motion FE's describe to the pretty stationary rotating wobbling object is what this debate is about.

I understand, and was working out some apparent discrepancies.
Just trying to help.
No need for the hostility.

Good, Scepti is the new nominee. lel

But just for future sake, a living organism is not required for a reference point.

Relative to our solar system the sun is a much more stationary object smack bang in the centre of this than any of the planets, asteroids, gas and comets orbiting it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:18:33 AM

Wobbles! have a word for crying out loud. All this fantastic space stuff of so called superb ballerina type planets all working like clockwork and we have a few with weak ankles, so they WOBBLE.
Take some time out and look in the mirror and have a real good word with yourself and don't ever dare put down ANY theory from anyone, even if they tell you that the earth is a square block, because what you subscribe to is the silliest of the lot.

What's wrong with the word wobble? That's what it does.
Stop making me be your guys' dictionary.
Wobble Definition
v. verb
To move or rotate with an uneven or rocking motion or unsteadily from side to side.

Don't be looking up definitions. Look at your logic and ask yourself why the sun or the earth would WOBBLE in your space.
The answer is obviously quite simple. It's to cater for the discrepancies of what is noted at certain times on earth. It's so ludicrous, it shocks me that normal rational people cannot see the absolute bull crap in it all. Seriously it does.

Good, Scepti is the new nominee. lel

But just for future sake, a living organism is not required for a reference point.

Relative to our solar system the sun is a much more stationary object smack bang in the centre of this than any of the planets, asteroids, gas and comets orbiting it.

I understand this, I was just saying that the Sun will never be completely stationary relative to any carbon based Earth-dweller.
I also see your point and again, just trying to be concise.

Don't be looking up definitions. Look at your logic and ask yourself why the sun or the earth would WOBBLE in your space.
The answer is obviously quite simple. It's to cater for the discrepancies of what is noted at certain times on earth. It's so ludicrous, it shocks me that normal rational people cannot see the absolute bull crap in it all. Seriously it does.

Why is it ludicrous to have a solution for "discrepancies" in any theory?
Just a general question, because round Earth is certainly not a theory.
The Sun and Earth both wobble because of opposing gravitational pulls.
The poles are slightly bulged.
This results in a slight wobble.
Have you substantiated enough evidence to call any of your half-baked ideas theories?
I'd think not.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:18:33 AM

Wobbles! have a word for crying out loud. All this fantastic space stuff of so called superb ballerina type planets all working like clockwork and we have a few with weak ankles, so they WOBBLE.
Take some time out and look in the mirror and have a real good word with yourself and don't ever dare put down ANY theory from anyone, even if they tell you that the earth is a square block, because what you subscribe to is the silliest of the lot.

What's wrong with the word wobble? That's what it does.
Stop making me be your guys' dictionary.
Wobble Definition
v. verb
To move or rotate with an uneven or rocking motion or unsteadily from side to side.

Don't be looking up definitions. Look at your logic and ask yourself why the sun or the earth would WOBBLE in your space.
The answer is obviously quite simple. It's to cater for the discrepancies of what is noted at certain times on earth. It's so ludicrous, it shocks me that normal rational people cannot see the absolute bull crap in it all. Seriously it does.

What discrepancies? Actually it proves that nothing is in perfect balance in our solar system really not to mention the planets also affect the sun's movement with uhm... what is that word..? I'm gonna say it... Gravity!

Animated stereo twin space craft picture of the sun:

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:30:15 AM

Don't be looking up definitions. Look at your logic and ask yourself why the sun or the earth would WOBBLE in your space.
The answer is obviously quite simple. It's to cater for the discrepancies of what is noted at certain times on earth. It's so ludicrous, it shocks me that normal rational people cannot see the absolute bull crap in it all. Seriously it does.

Why is it ludicrous to have a solution for "discrepancies" in any theory?
Just a general question, because round Earth is certainly not a theory.
The Sun and Earth both wobble because of opposing gravitational pulls.
The poles are slightly bulged.
This results in a slight wobble.
Have you substantiated enough evidence to call any of your half-baked ideas theories?
I'd think not.

Have a read back at what you are saying and maybe, just maybe you might...one day...hear a clink. If you do...that will be the penny dropping and you will at least know that it's time to think alternatively to the drivel you have been fed. It would be a massive start for you and then you can go back to basics.
Slightly bulged.
Slight wobble.

I'd love to swear and tell you to go and get la la la...but I'm smirking and also we are in the upper forums, so I'll just say: search your mind and stop being led by the big howling wolves. Howl back and take the lead and don't be intimidated into following a model that you know 100% is not correct.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:18:33 AM

Wobbles! have a word for crying out loud. All this fantastic space stuff of so called superb ballerina type planets all working like clockwork and we have a few with weak ankles, so they WOBBLE.
Take some time out and look in the mirror and have a real good word with yourself and don't ever dare put down ANY theory from anyone, even if they tell you that the earth is a square block, because what you subscribe to is the silliest of the lot.

What's wrong with the word wobble? That's what it does.
Stop making me be your guys' dictionary.
Wobble Definition
v. verb
To move or rotate with an uneven or rocking motion or unsteadily from side to side.

Don't be looking up definitions. Look at your logic and ask yourself why the sun or the earth would WOBBLE in your space.
The answer is obviously quite simple. It's to cater for the discrepancies of what is noted at certain times on earth. It's so ludicrous, it shocks me that normal rational people cannot see the absolute bull crap in it all. Seriously it does.

What discrepancies? Actually it proves that nothing is in perfect balance in our solar system really not to mention the planets also affect the sun's movement with uhm... what is that word..? I'm gonna say it... Gravity!

Animated stereo twin space craft picture of the sun:

There is no hope for you. Absolutely no hope whatsoever. Don't "you" and your other cyborgs, ever mention that this forum is a joke when you post stupidity like that.

Have a read back at what you are saying and maybe, just maybe you might...one day...hear a clink. If you do...that will be the penny dropping and you will at least know that it's time to think alternatively to the drivel you have been fed. It would be a massive start for you and then you can go back to basics.
Slightly bulged.
Slight wobble.

I'd love to swear and tell you to go and get la la la...but I'm smirking and also we are in the upper forums, so I'll just say: search your mind and stop being led by the big howling wolves. Howl back and take the lead and don't be intimidated into following a model that you know 100% is not correct.

This is the classic scepti defense.
"All I know is that I'm 100% right. You are all brainwashed and closed-minded."
But that's a self-contradicting statement.
I keep an open mind, scepti.
I'm just sane.
I'm sorry you don't get to experience what it's like to have clear and distinguished thoughts that follow a logical pattern from a start to a conclusion.

There is no hope for you. Absolutely no hope whatsoever. Don't "you" and your other cyborgs, ever mention that this forum is a joke when you post stupidity like that.

More professional debating skills coming from FE's.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:49:24 AM

Have a read back at what you are saying and maybe, just maybe you might...one day...hear a clink. If you do...that will be the penny dropping and you will at least know that it's time to think alternatively to the drivel you have been fed. It would be a massive start for you and then you can go back to basics.
Slightly bulged.
Slight wobble.

I'd love to swear and tell you to go and get la la la...but I'm smirking and also we are in the upper forums, so I'll just say: search your mind and stop being led by the big howling wolves. Howl back and take the lead and don't be intimidated into following a model that you know 100% is not correct.

This is the classic scepti defense.
"All I know is that I'm 100% right. You are all brainwashed and closed-minded."
But that's a self-contradicting statement.
I keep an open mind, scepti.
I'm just sane.
I'm sorry you don't get to experience what it's like to have clear and distinguished thoughts that follow a logical pattern from a start to a conclusion.

There's nothing open about your mind, except to be open to more global earth mumbo jumbo.

...don't ever dare put down ANY theory from anyone...

So you won't mind if I totally ignore yours then? Given that your "theory" has nothing other than your imagination to back it up, I think I'll stick to the theories which have repeatable experimental evidence on their side. Cheers!

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:18:33 AM

...don't ever dare put down ANY theory from anyone...

So you won't mind if I totally ignore yours then? Given that your "theory" has nothing other than your imagination to back it up, I think I'll stick to the theories which have repeatable experimental evidence on their side. Cheers!

You can ignore mine for as long as you live, it's no skin off my nose.  I'm under no illusions whatsoever about your total brainwashed mind ever changing. You're too far gone for that.
You stick to your repeatable experimentation of absolutely nothing and keep believing it all, because, after all, it's all there in your science FICTION books that you can readily slide from your local library, book shelves or your university or wherever you pick the fiction up from.

The truth is...most of you are scared to think alternately because you are mostly timid little creatures that would not dare to question your peers and will follow them like faithful little dogs, where a pat on the head will suffice for getting a TICK on your exam paper for remembering things that were earlier, placed into your mind that you fought to keep at the fore front in readiness for the big test.

Your life and your history is based on half truths, misinformation and downright lies. Picking through it is not easy, even I will admit that, but I'm willing to try.
Your space science is based on TOTAL lies and misinformation. The problem is...how many people actually know it's all lies? how many people , including so called astrophysicists and astronomers, actually know what the hell they are even looking at, except for what they were taught to look at? how many are really thinking, " hmmm...this just not seem right."

The real truth is...most people ...and I mean MOST...are oblivious to most things that are not a part of their daily grind, as they are too focused on simply getting by in life to even realise what the earth actually is, in any way, shape or form.

The air is not perfectly transparent.  Even with the most powerful telescope you could not see forever.

Jroa explaned it perfecley

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Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 31, 2013, 12:39:33 AM

The Sun is certainly not stationary.

depends on your frame of reference.

Nobody lives on the Sun.

that's not a requirement for a frame of reference.

If you were to rub your stick along a stone at a slow pace, you will find that your stick becomes warm and makes a reasonably audible sound. If you speed up that rubbing, you find that the audible sound gets less and less and yet the stick starts to glow at the end.

This is all you should need to know to tell you that you do not get light, no matter how much you think it over...if you do not have SOUND.

Oh dear... this reasoning is so wrong on all counts I dunno where to start LOL.

I just can't believe that sceptimatic's "understanding" of simple science is so lacking!  He seems determined to conflate two entirely different energy sources into one.  That is; oxidation (or burning) with sound.

I'd like to ask sceptimatic to listen to a burning 60 watt light bulb in his house, and tell me what sort of "sound" it's making?  Or listen to a 9V globe in a battery flashlight, or an LED (light-emitting diode) timer on his oven.

What he will notice is that along with light, heat is produced, but not any sounds whatsoever.

He's also obviously unaware of luminescent animals that glow—with light—without making a single peep or squeak.


—And I can't wait for his response to this one.
 
 

I can accept I'm wrong on any occasion as long as it's against another logical reasoning. You and your crew do not know the meaning of the word, logic.

Sorry, but I have never seen any evidence to support this claim.  In your own mind maybe, but in the real world the rest of us inhabit, it ain't gonna happen.

Thanks for the LULZ my friend.

 Don't be looking up definitions.

Shit no!  That's the last thing any conscientious investigator of scientific claims needs to do!  What were we thinking?

Much better to totally ignore several centuries' worth of scientific data and proven theories about our planet and its solar system.

Obviously the sun moves in a circular orbit, and the earth is flat, and gravity doesn't exist.  Why would anybody question that sound reasoning—backed up by.....?

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If you were to rub your stick along a stone at a slow pace, you will find that your stick becomes warm and makes a reasonably audible sound. If you speed up that rubbing, you find that the audible sound gets less and less and yet the stick starts to glow at the end.

This is all you should need to know to tell you that you do not get light, no matter how much you think it over...if you do not have SOUND.

Oh dear... this reasoning is so wrong on all counts I dunno where to start LOL.

I just can't believe that sceptimatic's "understanding" of simple science is so lacking!  He seems determined to conflate two entirely different energy sources into one.  That is; oxidation (or burning) with sound.

I'd like to ask sceptimatic to listen to a burning 60 watt light bulb in his house, and tell me what sort of "sound" it's making?  Or listen to a 9V globe in a battery flashlight, or an LED (light-emitting diode) timer on his oven.

What he will notice is that along with light, heat is produced, but not any sounds whatsoever.

He's also obviously unaware of luminescent animals that glow—with light—without making a single peep or squeak.


—And I can't wait for his response to this one.

It's not me that's lacking, it's you lacking the ability to use some logic that you clearly have, yet refuse to bring it to the fore, because you are too busy babysitting a shed full of lies.

Why do you think that humans show heat source when seen through infra red?
Just because your normal eyes don't see it and you don;t hear it, doesn't mean it's not there. Use your head for crying out loud.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:30:15 AM

 Don't be looking up definitions.

Shit no!  That's the last thing any conscientious investigator of scientific claims needs to do!  What were we thinking?

Much better to totally ignore several centuries' worth of scientific data and proven theories about our planet and its solar system.

Obviously the sun moves in a circular orbit, and the earth is flat, and gravity doesn't exist.  Why would anybody question that sound reasoning—backed up by.....?

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You're getting there. Slowly but surely. Keep it up.

Why do you think that humans show heat source when seen through infra red?

Because all living objects emit infrared radiation (or black-body radiation) which is detected by a thermographic camera.  Simple.

Anyway, what does this particular question have to do with your light and sound theory?  And have you listened to some light sources as I suggested to see if they're making any noise?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 08:00:05 AM

Why do you think that humans show heat source when seen through infra red?

Because all living objects emit infrared radiation (or black-body radiation) which is detected by a thermographic camera.  Simple.

Anyway, what does this particular question have to do with your light and sound theory?  And have you listened to some light sources as I suggested to see if they're making any noise?

We emit light because our bodies are under friction, all the time, like everything is, including your LED lights.
You can no more hear them than you can hear a dog whistle over a short distance, but the noise is there, it's just that we are too primitive to notice it.

You can no more hear them than you can hear a dog whistle over a short distance, but the noise is there, it's just that we are too primitive to notice it.

Then can you—personally—hear the sound that a light bulb is making if you're "too primitive" to notice it?  What electronic instrument can you suggest that would amplify the sound and make it audible to a human?

And does an incandescent light bulb emit a different sound to an LED or a flashlight bulb?

You also claim that the sounds are too high for human hearing to detect; what then are the frequencies you're talking about?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 09:34:05 AM

You can no more hear them than you can hear a dog whistle over a short distance, but the noise is there, it's just that we are too primitive to notice it.

Then can you—personally—hear the sound that a light bulb is making if you're "too primitive" to notice it?  What electronic instrument can you suggest that would amplify the sound and make it audible to a human?

And does an incandescent light bulb emit a different sound to an LED or a flashlight bulb?

You also claim that the sounds are too high for human hearing to detect; what then are the frequencies you're talking about?

What instrument would you suggest a person could use to hear a bell in a partially evacuated chamber?

What instrument would you suggest a person could use to hear a bell in a partially evacuated chamber?

It's patently obvious that you're trying to avoid answering my question by simply asking me another one. That distraction won't work here I'm afraid.

So I'll ask you again, and expect an answer:

How can you—personally—hear the sound that a light bulb is making if you're "too primitive" to notice it?  What electronic instrument can you suggest that would amplify the sound and make it audible to a human?
 
 
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It's patently obvious that you're trying to avoid answering my question by simply asking me another one. That distraction won't work here I'm afraid.

So I'll ask you again, and expect an answer:

How can you—personally—hear the sound that a light bulb is making if you're "too primitive" to notice it?  What electronic instrument can you suggest that would amplify the sound and make it audible to a human?

When I find out what can be used to hear the sound of a bell in a partially evacuated chamber I will let you know. In the mean time, do you know of anything that could do this?

I mean really? Do you guys need to be this silly.

Visible light is electromagnetic radiation, transverse waves between 400 and 700 nm in wavelength.

Higher frequencies give x-rays gamma rays and all sorts of dangerous things. Lower frequencies gives infra red, radio waves and microwaves.

It moves at 299,792 km/s

Sound is longitudinal pressure waves that requires a mass medium and is audible between 20 Hz and 20,000 Hz for humans.

Lower frequencies struggles to sustain and becomes wind rather than sound. Higher frequencies are used in the industry as ultrasonic sound that can travel through tissue reflecting of harder surfaces with great precision.

It moves at 343 m/s at see level atmospheric pressure.

I mean really? Do you guys need to be this silly.

Visible light is electromagnetic radiation, transverse waves between 400 and 700 nm in wavelength.

Higher frequencies give x-rays gamma rays and all sorts of dangerous things. Lower frequencies gives infra red, radio waves and microwaves.

It moves at 299,792 km/s

Sound is longitudinal pressure waves that requires a mass medium and is audible between 20 Hz and 20,000 Hz for humans.

Lower frequencies struggles to sustain and becomes wind rather than sound. Higher frequencies are used in the industry as ultrasonic sound that can travel through tissue reflecting of harder surfaces with great precision.

It moves at 343 m/s at see level atmospheric pressure.

Everything on earth is magnetic. The air you breathe is all magnetic.
If you start thinking about bar magnets and stuff then you will just confuse the issue.

When I find out what can be used to hear the sound of a bell in a partially evacuated chamber I will let you know. In the mean time, do you know of anything that could do this?

Here's your answer:  BELL IN EVACUATED BELL JAR

So I'll now await your answer to my question:

"How can you—personally—hear the sound that a light bulb is making if you're "too primitive" to notice it?"

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 01, 2014, 03:00:04 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 01, 2014, 02:49:24 AM

Have a read back at what you are saying and maybe, just maybe you might...one day...hear a clink. If you do...that will be the penny dropping and you will at least know that it's time to think alternatively to the drivel you have been fed. It would be a massive start for you and then you can go back to basics.
Slightly bulged.
Slight wobble.

I'd love to swear and tell you to go and get la la la...but I'm smirking and also we are in the upper forums, so I'll just say: search your mind and stop being led by the big howling wolves. Howl back and take the lead and don't be intimidated into following a model that you know 100% is not correct.

This is the classic scepti defense.
"All I know is that I'm 100% right. You are all brainwashed and closed-minded."
But that's a self-contradicting statement.
I keep an open mind, scepti.
I'm just sane.
I'm sorry you don't get to experience what it's like to have clear and distinguished thoughts that follow a logical pattern from a start to a conclusion.

There's nothing open about your mind, except to be open to more global earth mumbo jumbo.

I'm open to literally any alternative to anything so long as it makes sense.
The last 6 words of the sentence above are my problem with your idea.
Not theory. Idea.
I'm extremely agnostic when it comes to science and spirituality.
In my unbiased studies on the subject I've concluded that the Earth is indeed round.
If anything, scepti, YOU are the closed minded one, as you never even try to learn about any "whacky nonsensical round Earth mumbo jumbo".

dear th3rm0m3t3r0,
keep watching me in Algeria,
it's 22:40 PM (to night) but
I'm watching the sun now,
 it's getting more and more
 closer to its boiling spring!