Flying off the disc

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11cookeaw1

Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #150 on: November 15, 2013, 12:26:57 PM »
How do your ideas explain the Estov effect and the curvature experiments here http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59240.msg1516831.html#msg1516831
I'm not sure what you want here.

Go to that thread and type out exactly what you want me to answer for you. Don't keep saying it's in that thread.
I already explained everyhing at the top of page 6 of this thread. How do tor ideas explain the Estov effect.
Who's tor?
I haven't seen anyone called tor. If tor is in a thread, point me to it, because I can't recall any of his/her ideas.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #151 on: November 15, 2013, 12:51:39 PM »
The speed of light for one.  Here is a short list of universities/institutes where it has been measured:

Cambridge
Princeton
Cornell
MIT
The Centre for Advanced Study
CERN
The Perimeter Institute

It goes on and on and on and on... Freshman in university do it even.  Seriously, go
to a campus physics department and ask them.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #152 on: November 15, 2013, 01:23:34 PM »
The speed of light for one.  Here is a short list of universities/institutes where it has been measured:

Cambridge
Princeton
Cornell
MIT
The Centre for Advanced Study
CERN
The Perimeter Institute

It goes on and on and on and on... Freshman in university do it even.  Seriously, go
to a campus physics department and ask them.
Ask them what?

I think I know what I'll be told. What would happen if I said , " I want proof...physical proof." What do you think they could offer?

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #153 on: November 15, 2013, 01:30:34 PM »
The speed of light for one.  Here is a short list of universities/institutes where it has been measured:

Cambridge
Princeton
Cornell
MIT
The Centre for Advanced Study
CERN
The Perimeter Institute

It goes on and on and on and on... Freshman in university do it even.  Seriously, go
to a campus physics department and ask them.
Ask them what?

I think I know what I'll be told. What would happen if I said , " I want proof...physical proof." What do you think they could offer?

I bet they'd tell you to verify it yourself. But you're not gonna....no you won't. Ya know why? Because you don't really want to know.  ;)

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #154 on: November 15, 2013, 01:47:45 PM »
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That should stop you harping on about you having proof and me not having any, shouldn't it, because I can threaten to provide proof and then say, "no, you'll only deny it."

Big differences. I can actually provide proof. You, admittedly, can not.

I would be willing to accept proof if you actually had some that you could provice for evaluation. You admit to being dead fast against any science that could be used. You actually admit to rejecting something before it's shown to you.

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The top and bottom of it, is...you don't have any proof and cannot provide physical proof.

Wrong.

No sense in continuing any further. Have a good day.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #155 on: November 15, 2013, 02:48:39 PM »
The speed of light for one.  Here is a short list of universities/institutes where it has been measured:

Cambridge
Princeton
Cornell
MIT
The Centre for Advanced Study
CERN
The Perimeter Institute

It goes on and on and on and on... Freshman in university do it even.  Seriously, go
to a campus physics department and ask them.
Ask them what?

I think I know what I'll be told. What would happen if I said , " I want proof...physical proof." What do you think they could offer?

I bet they'd tell you to verify it yourself. But you're not gonna....no you won't. Ya know why? Because you don't really want to know.  ;)
I can't verify something that does not exist, can I?

I'm quite sure they would probably ask me to go and verify it for myself, because it's a perfect cop out.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #156 on: November 15, 2013, 02:51:18 PM »
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That should stop you harping on about you having proof and me not having any, shouldn't it, because I can threaten to provide proof and then say, "no, you'll only deny it."

Big differences. I can actually provide proof. You, admittedly, can not.

I would be willing to accept proof if you actually had some that you could provice for evaluation. You admit to being dead fast against any science that could be used. You actually admit to rejecting something before it's shown to you.

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The top and bottom of it, is...you don't have any proof and cannot provide physical proof.

Wrong.

No sense in continuing any further. Have a good day.
Like I said: talking about it, is fine...and telling me CONSTANTLY that I can't provide PROOF, which I've readily admitted I cannot...and yet, you get backed into your own corner and cannot provide me with any direct proof and skulk away. lol.
Have a nice day.  ;)

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #157 on: November 15, 2013, 03:09:03 PM »
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That should stop you harping on about you having proof and me not having any, shouldn't it, because I can threaten to provide proof and then say, "no, you'll only deny it."

Big differences. I can actually provide proof. You, admittedly, can not.

I would be willing to accept proof if you actually had some that you could provice for evaluation. You admit to being dead fast against any science that could be used. You actually admit to rejecting something before it's shown to you.

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The top and bottom of it, is...you don't have any proof and cannot provide physical proof.

Wrong.

No sense in continuing any further. Have a good day.
Like I said: talking about it, is fine...and telling me CONSTANTLY that I can't provide PROOF, which I've readily admitted I cannot...and yet, you get backed into your own corner and cannot provide me with any direct proof and skulk away. lol.
Have a nice day.  ;)

When was the last time you went to college or university, sceptimatic ?

My academics are not as much as many of the more learned members of posters on this forum , but I know from experience that most of my professors, especially those in the engineering, chemistry and physics departments would love to explain to you any questions you might have and would love to show you experiments on any questions you might have. They might even let you do them, but you would have to trust them to find out how to do them and I think it is a proven fact that FE's don't even trust people like them so maybe that was a dumb suggestion to a confirmed FE.

One other thing I have learned is this.:
' The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask."


 In addition to other colleges the state colleges and the community colleges are the best places to go for information. They deal with the general public and non-students a lot.Of course you could probably find the information you want on the Internet. But I would suggest you contact a Professor at a local college or university- IN PERSON !. But that would involve getting off your computer and going somewhere a bit farther than just looking out your window. Have a good day ! You just might learn something.
I'm no genius like you but I have learned a lot from my college Profs.

P.S. I just happened to think of this.;
 Years ago when I joined the Navy and was in boot camp....Boy ! Were there a lot of things that I didn't know and most of the other "boots" in  our Company didn't know. But we just didn't going around saying "I don't  know" but we went to our Chief Petty Officer Company Commmander. That's where that quote came from .: One of the boots said , "I know this is a dumb question..but...." The Chief's answer was "The only dumb question is the one you don't ask." That brings up another question. If you might be of the right age and I don't know what country you come from but it you do live in the USA, I would suggest you enlist in the USN. You might learn a few things. I did. But then again maybe you just aren't interested  in learning anything ? ???
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #158 on: November 15, 2013, 04:51:40 PM »
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That should stop you harping on about you having proof and me not having any, shouldn't it, because I can threaten to provide proof and then say, "no, you'll only deny it."

Big differences. I can actually provide proof. You, admittedly, can not.

I would be willing to accept proof if you actually had some that you could provice for evaluation. You admit to being dead fast against any science that could be used. You actually admit to rejecting something before it's shown to you.

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The top and bottom of it, is...you don't have any proof and cannot provide physical proof.

Wrong.

No sense in continuing any further. Have a good day.
Like I said: talking about it, is fine...and telling me CONSTANTLY that I can't provide PROOF, which I've readily admitted I cannot...and yet, you get backed into your own corner and cannot provide me with any direct proof and skulk away. lol.
Have a nice day.  ;)

When was the last time you went to college or university, sceptimatic ?

My academics are not as much as many of the more learned members of posters on this forum , but I know from experience that most of my professors, especially those in the engineering, chemistry and physics departments would love to explain to you any questions you might have and would love to show you experiments on any questions you might have. They might even let you do them, but you would have to trust them to find out how to do them and I think it is a proven fact that FE's don't even trust people like them so maybe that was a dumb suggestion to a confirmed FE.

One other thing I have learned is this.:
' The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask."


 In addition to other colleges the state colleges and the community colleges are the best places to go for information. They deal with the general public and non-students a lot.Of course you could probably find the information you want on the Internet. But I would suggest you contact a Professor at a local college or university- IN PERSON !. But that would involve getting off your computer and going somewhere a bit farther than just looking out your window. Have a good day ! You just might learn something.
I'm no genius like you but I have learned a lot from my college Profs.

P.S. I just happened to think of this.;
 Years ago when I joined the Navy and was in boot camp....Boy ! Were there a lot of things that I didn't know and most of the other "boots" in  our Company didn't know. But we just didn't going around saying "I don't  know" but we went to our Chief Petty Officer Company Commmander. That's where that quote came from .: One of the boots said , "I know this is a dumb question..but...." The Chief's answer was "The only dumb question is the one you don't ask." That brings up another question. If you might be of the right age and I don't know what country you come from but it you do live in the USA, I would suggest you enlist in the USN. You might learn a few things. I did. But then again maybe you just aren't interested  in learning anything ? ???
I'm extremely interested in learning the truth.
Unfortunately, I don't know where to go to learn the TRUTH.

I spent my young years learning what I truly believed was the truth. I was like any other youngster with a inquiring mind. I used to take things apart to find out how they worked. I'd always ask questions and would readily gobble up the answers.

It was a bit like fun for a youngster like me, as I suppose it would be for other inquisitive youngsters, as we all like to learn, IF it appeals to our senses.
It's like being given a large wooden 20 piece jig saw and putting it together and feeling proud that you managed it. Just the same as the teacher asking questions on what you were taught by him/her and you put up your hand and get the question right, which made you feel happy and clever.

We could have been taught about earth being a large jack and the bean stalk type plant and we were inside the growing bud of that plant, etc...and we COULD have been questioned on what we were taught about it and readily stuck our hands up to answer those questions, yet what have we really answered?

You see! we all grow up being taught whatever is on the agenda at the time, yet every kid is taught the basics, which are earth being a sphere and a sun that is 93 million miles away that takes 8 minutes for it's light and heat to hit us...and all the rest of it.

We get exams on all this stuff, so we answer the exam questions based on what THEY tutored into us and depending on what percentage of your exam you gained, you could go to college and University to study further into this stuff and by that time, completely dazzled by the complexity of the theories behind this planet, to the point of never thinking of really questioning the validity of it, even if a lot of the stuff really does seem far fetched.

I mean, the sun being 93 million miles away, I suppose the universe is our oyster and can be anything they tell us, if we accept 93 million mile nuclear fusion suns and what not.

The thing is! what happens when you do get the required passes and go to college, then come out of college, to later start to question what you always believed was correct?

You can do 2 main things: you can slap yourself and tell yourself not to be silly and get any thoughts about  being taught wrong, out of your mind.

Or.

You can start to question the validity of it all by dissecting all the parts and analysing them in your mind and by actually look around you to realise that, maybe there is some fabrication of the truth or downright misinformation altogether.
To do this, you have to look into as much as you can about mainstream views as a whole and the science as a whole to try and distinguish what is real or not.

I've got to the stage where I've not only changed my view of a rotating globe to a stationary one...I've totally wiped out the thought of it all, including a silly 93 million mile sun and rocks for planets in space, in a supposed universe that is so big and still expanding that we cannot contemplate its end.

It's so nonsensical, not just because I can't get my head around it...it's because it really is, pathetic and I could kick myself for believing in such crap for all those years, yet I console myself, because I know that it was MASS indoctrination and it was simply a case of a young naivety being snared into the trap by the very tutors who were also snared into the very same trap and yet make a living out of it and either still none the wiser to the reality, or are simply going through the motions, because to do otherwise, would mean no job and a full discrediting by those in power.

It's not a hard choice, if that's the scenario with some, yet others will most probably be like you and many others...and just accept that what you are told, is actually correct and you won't hear of anything to the contrary.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #159 on: November 15, 2013, 05:53:34 PM »
The thing is! what happens when you do get the required passes and go to college, then come out of college, to later start to question what you always believed was correct?

Oh, hush up.  We know you didn't go to college, much less enroll in anything approaching physics, don't even try to pretend.  You apparently misunderstand everything from light, to pressure, to temperature, to atoms, to pretty much anything more complex than... well, honestly you seem to misunderstand even the simplest things, and that's rather telling about your educational progress.  I don't care if you agree with it or not, you would at least have some concept of most of these things.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #160 on: November 15, 2013, 06:08:08 PM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
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11cookeaw1

Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #161 on: November 15, 2013, 08:51:24 PM »
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That should stop you harping on about you having proof and me not having any, shouldn't it, because I can threaten to provide proof and then say, "no, you'll only deny it."

Big differences. I can actually provide proof. You, admittedly, can not.

I would be willing to accept proof if you actually had some that you could provice for evaluation. You admit to being dead fast against any science that could be used. You actually admit to rejecting something before it's shown to you.

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The top and bottom of it, is...you don't have any proof and cannot provide physical proof.

Wrong.

No sense in continuing any further. Have a good day.
Like I said: talking about it, is fine...and telling me CONSTANTLY that I can't provide PROOF, which I've readily admitted I cannot...and yet, you get backed into your own corner and cannot provide me with any direct proof and skulk away. lol.
Have a nice day.  ;)
It's because whenever proof is presented to you, you either ignore it or dismiss it.
Like for example this.
www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59240.msg1516831.html#msg1516831
And this
www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59240.msg1521644.html#msg1521644
Are examples of experiments.
Also this www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=59073.0
Note that the most distant mountains are snowy right down to the horizon, it was a warm day there and there is no visible snow on the nearby mountain, which means at minimum the top few thousand feet of the distant mountains aren't visible.
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To demonstrate the effect, Eötvös constructed a balance with a horizontal axis, where, instead of pans, weights are attached to the end of the arms. When the balance is rotated the weight moving towards the west will become heavier, the one moving towards the east lighter and will deflect from its state of equilibrium. This proof of the earth’s rotation is perhaps of greater significance than Foucault’s pendulum experiment since it also works on the equator.
from www.aos.princeton.edu/WWWPUBLIC/gkv/history/persson_on_coriolis05.pdf
It was also observed int eh early 1900's whilst gravity measurements were being performed on moving ships. The readings of gravity where lower when travelling east and weaker when traveling west.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #162 on: November 16, 2013, 05:37:37 AM »
The thing is! what happens when you do get the required passes and go to college, then come out of college, to later start to question what you always believed was correct?

Oh, hush up.  We know you didn't go to college, much less enroll in anything approaching physics, don't even try to pretend.  You apparently misunderstand everything from light, to pressure, to temperature, to atoms, to pretty much anything more complex than... well, honestly you seem to misunderstand even the simplest things, and that's rather telling about your educational progress.  I don't care if you agree with it or not, you would at least have some concept of most of these things.
Don't even try to guess what I've done in my life, because you have no clue. Not a clue, so coming up with that nonsense will get you absolutely nowhere.

What you shouldn't be doing is pretending you know all about atoms and all this stuff when you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.
You live off of text books about centuries and centuries old so called theories , plus what you are told. You have not done any experiments to validate anything you read about, when it comes down to this kind of science.
You may have mixed a few liquids and seen reactions and looked at certain things through microscopes and such, but the main stuff, as in what I'm getting at, is all down to speculation for ALL but the ones that really know what's going on.

Your smug, I am attitude means about the same as any other, to me, which is NOTHING. Coming into a topic just to tell me that I know nothing and playing guessing games about my education is not going to change my thoughts. I'm made of tougher stuff than attempted ridicule can bend, so try and concentrate on showing some of your proofs and don't waste it at typing out an attempt at ridicule, because I'll just smile and laugh.

You could, on the other hand go into a little hissy fit and try and tell people not to respond to me, like quite a few do and then respond to me.  ;D
Leave it out kid, you will only embarrass yourself.  ;)

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #163 on: November 16, 2013, 05:46:17 AM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.

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11cookeaw1

Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2013, 06:50:42 AM »
The thing is! what happens when you do get the required passes and go to college, then come out of college, to later start to question what you always believed was correct?

Oh, hush up.  We know you didn't go to college, much less enroll in anything approaching physics, don't even try to pretend.  You apparently misunderstand everything from light, to pressure, to temperature, to atoms, to pretty much anything more complex than... well, honestly you seem to misunderstand even the simplest things, and that's rather telling about your educational progress.  I don't care if you agree with it or not, you would at least have some concept of most of these things.
Don't even try to guess what I've done in my life, because you have no clue. Not a clue, so coming up with that nonsense will get you absolutely nowhere.

What you shouldn't be doing is pretending you know all about atoms and all this stuff when you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.
You live off of text books about centuries and centuries old so called theories , plus what you are told. You have not done any experiments to validate anything you read about, when it comes down to this kind of science.
You may have mixed a few liquids and seen reactions and looked at certain things through microscopes and such, but the main stuff, as in what I'm getting at, is all down to speculation for ALL but the ones that really know what's going on.

Your smug, I am attitude means about the same as any other, to me, which is NOTHING. Coming into a topic just to tell me that I know nothing and playing guessing games about my education is not going to change my thoughts. I'm made of tougher stuff than attempted ridicule can bend, so try and concentrate on showing some of your proofs and don't waste it at typing out an attempt at ridicule, because I'll just smile and laugh.

You could, on the other hand go into a little hissy fit and try and tell people not to respond to me, like quite a few do and then respond to me.  ;D
Leave it out kid, you will only embarrass yourself.  ;)
When I was at school we regularly did experiments, for most theories that we were taught about we were also taught about the experiments which proved them.

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11cookeaw1

Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2013, 06:56:37 AM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.
You could use a rada and measure the time it takes for radio waves to reflect of. You could move around and measure the parallax. If it gives off light you could look at the angles that reflects of other objects and eclipses to work it out. You could also use redshift and stellar abberation.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2013, 06:57:59 AM »
The thing is! what happens when you do get the required passes and go to college, then come out of college, to later start to question what you always believed was correct?

Oh, hush up.  We know you didn't go to college, much less enroll in anything approaching physics, don't even try to pretend.  You apparently misunderstand everything from light, to pressure, to temperature, to atoms, to pretty much anything more complex than... well, honestly you seem to misunderstand even the simplest things, and that's rather telling about your educational progress.  I don't care if you agree with it or not, you would at least have some concept of most of these things.
Don't even try to guess what I've done in my life, because you have no clue. Not a clue, so coming up with that nonsense will get you absolutely nowhere.

What you shouldn't be doing is pretending you know all about atoms and all this stuff when you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.
You live off of text books about centuries and centuries old so called theories , plus what you are told. You have not done any experiments to validate anything you read about, when it comes down to this kind of science.
You may have mixed a few liquids and seen reactions and looked at certain things through microscopes and such, but the main stuff, as in what I'm getting at, is all down to speculation for ALL but the ones that really know what's going on.

Your smug, I am attitude means about the same as any other, to me, which is NOTHING. Coming into a topic just to tell me that I know nothing and playing guessing games about my education is not going to change my thoughts. I'm made of tougher stuff than attempted ridicule can bend, so try and concentrate on showing some of your proofs and don't waste it at typing out an attempt at ridicule, because I'll just smile and laugh.

You could, on the other hand go into a little hissy fit and try and tell people not to respond to me, like quite a few do and then respond to me.  ;D
Leave it out kid, you will only embarrass yourself.  ;)

Now, now, scepti.  Just because you play the moron doesn't mean you have to get indignant when I point it out.  If you've gone to college for anything even remotely related to physics, we'd love to see your degree.  As it stands, again, you misunderstand literally everything about physics.  Not in a way that says you disbelieve it, but in a way that says you never understood this in the first place TO disbelieve. 

If you'd like to prove me wrong and start being somewhat scientifically literate when people bring up any topic, instead of insisting that your thoughts are right and what we say is wrong while you demonstrate a lack of comprehension of what we say, I'll say the character you play went to college.  Until then, you're a dunce who I sincerely doubt graduated high school, much less went to college.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2013, 07:23:00 AM »
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Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.

Wow..............you stumped me.

Or........

http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/astro/courses/ast105/homeobserving/sunsize.htm

What you know........an experiment any half brained idiot can do for themselves at home to measure the size of the sun.

And, oh, what's this........

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=400

http://www.space.com/17733-earth-sun-distance-astronomical-unit.html

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/5192/how-is-distance-between-sun-and-earth-calculated

The distance from the earth to the sun explained, not in exact childlike terms though so you may not understand it. Get an interpreter.


Of course, I'm being silly. These are just made up numbers "they" want us all to memorize and believe.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #168 on: November 16, 2013, 07:42:28 AM »
The thing is! what happens when you do get the required passes and go to college, then come out of college, to later start to question what you always believed was correct?

Oh, hush up.  We know you didn't go to college, much less enroll in anything approaching physics, don't even try to pretend.  You apparently misunderstand everything from light, to pressure, to temperature, to atoms, to pretty much anything more complex than... well, honestly you seem to misunderstand even the simplest things, and that's rather telling about your educational progress.  I don't care if you agree with it or not, you would at least have some concept of most of these things.
Don't even try to guess what I've done in my life, because you have no clue. Not a clue, so coming up with that nonsense will get you absolutely nowhere.

What you shouldn't be doing is pretending you know all about atoms and all this stuff when you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.
You live off of text books about centuries and centuries old so called theories , plus what you are told. You have not done any experiments to validate anything you read about, when it comes down to this kind of science.
You may have mixed a few liquids and seen reactions and looked at certain things through microscopes and such, but the main stuff, as in what I'm getting at, is all down to speculation for ALL but the ones that really know what's going on.

Your smug, I am attitude means about the same as any other, to me, which is NOTHING. Coming into a topic just to tell me that I know nothing and playing guessing games about my education is not going to change my thoughts. I'm made of tougher stuff than attempted ridicule can bend, so try and concentrate on showing some of your proofs and don't waste it at typing out an attempt at ridicule, because I'll just smile and laugh.

You could, on the other hand go into a little hissy fit and try and tell people not to respond to me, like quite a few do and then respond to me.  ;D
Leave it out kid, you will only embarrass yourself.  ;)
When I was at school we regularly did experiments, for most theories that we were taught about we were also taught about the experiments which proved them.
Experiments about what we are talking about? ok then, tell me which ones.

If, on the other hand, you are just talking about ordinary experiments that we all did, then I have no issues with those. I used to do them myself as a kid, as we all did...and we could see the results of them, physically.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #169 on: November 16, 2013, 07:43:54 AM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.
You could use a rada and measure the time it takes for radio waves to reflect of. You could move around and measure the parallax. If it gives off light you could look at the angles that reflects of other objects and eclipses to work it out. You could also use redshift and stellar abberation.
Given the scenario I've just put to you. Tell me what tools you would need and how you would use them to find the size and distance.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #170 on: November 16, 2013, 07:45:53 AM »


Now, now, scepti.  Just because you play the moron doesn't mean you have to get indignant when I point it out.  If you've gone to college for anything even remotely related to physics, we'd love to see your degree.  As it stands, again, you misunderstand literally everything about physics.  Not in a way that says you disbelieve it, but in a way that says you never understood this in the first place TO disbelieve. 

If you'd like to prove me wrong and start being somewhat scientifically literate when people bring up any topic, instead of insisting that your thoughts are right and what we say is wrong while you demonstrate a lack of comprehension of what we say, I'll say the character you play went to college.  Until then, you're a dunce who I sincerely doubt graduated high school, much less went to college.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #171 on: November 16, 2013, 08:01:40 AM »


Now, now, scepti.  Just because you play the moron doesn't mean you have to get indignant when I point it out.  If you've gone to college for anything even remotely related to physics, we'd love to see your degree.  As it stands, again, you misunderstand literally everything about physics.  Not in a way that says you disbelieve it, but in a way that says you never understood this in the first place TO disbelieve. 

If you'd like to prove me wrong and start being somewhat scientifically literate when people bring up any topic, instead of insisting that your thoughts are right and what we say is wrong while you demonstrate a lack of comprehension of what we say, I'll say the character you play went to college.  Until then, you're a dunce who I sincerely doubt graduated high school, much less went to college.
You carry on how you feel my little special friend, I'm easy with it all.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2013, 02:55:48 AM »
www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59240.msg1516831.html#msg1516831
And this
www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59240.msg1521644.html#msg1521644
Are examples of experiments.
Also this www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=59073.0
Note that the most distant mountains are snowy right down to the horizon, it was a warm day there and there is no visible snow on the nearby mountain, which means at minimum the top few thousand feet of the distant mountains aren't visible.
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To demonstrate the effect, Eötvös constructed a balance with a horizontal axis, where, instead of pans, weights are attached to the end of the arms. When the balance is rotated the weight moving towards the west will become heavier, the one moving towards the east lighter and will deflect from its state of equilibrium. This proof of the earth’s rotation is perhaps of greater significance than Foucault’s pendulum experiment since it also works on the equator.
from www.aos.princeton.edu/WWWPUBLIC/gkv/history/persson_on_coriolis05.pdf
It was also observed int eh early 1900's whilst gravity measurements were being performed on moving ships. The readings of gravity where lower when travelling east and weaker when traveling west.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2013, 10:17:27 AM »
WOULD YOU ANSWER THESE ALREADY! I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THEM! NOW ANSWER THEM! You've been avoiding them for a MONTH by now.
Like I told you before, if they haven't answered by now, they aren't going to, so give it a rest already.
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #174 on: November 21, 2013, 03:54:29 AM »
You may not believe it, but lots of people have been to the ice wall, and have given first hand testimonies and even taken pictures.


The same can be said for orbit around a spherical Earth. If this is your basis of belief for a Flat Earth, where is the discrepancy of a Round Earth?
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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #175 on: November 21, 2013, 08:53:11 PM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.
You could use a radar and measure the time it takes for radio waves to reflect of. You could move around and measure the parallax. If it gives off light you could look at the angles that reflects of other objects and eclipses to work it out. You could also use redshift and stellar abberation.
Given the scenario I've just put to you. Tell me what tools you would need and how you would use them to find the size and distance.
For 1. A radar. For 2. A telescope.  For 3. Telescope. For 4. and For 5. Telescope and a spectrophotometer.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #176 on: November 22, 2013, 07:56:05 AM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.

you could always walk over there with a tape measure.

Or if you weren't a fan of large distances you could use a sight glass and a protractor create an imaginary right angled triangle based at two points you DID know the distance between with the third point at the sphere and work it out from the angles.

But first I'd want to know what my allowed margin of error was?

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #177 on: November 22, 2013, 08:00:48 AM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.
You could use a radar and measure the time it takes for radio waves to reflect of. You could move around and measure the parallax. If it gives off light you could look at the angles that reflects of other objects and eclipses to work it out. You could also use redshift and stellar abberation.
Given the scenario I've just put to you. Tell me what tools you would need and how you would use them to find the size and distance.
For 1. A radar. For 2. A telescope.  For 3. Telescope. For 4. and For 5. Telescope and a spectrophotometer.
Ok, show me how you go about getting the requires distance and size.
Show me what you would be writing down in your note book,

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #178 on: November 22, 2013, 08:04:25 AM »
Scepti,
      Why don't you explain exactly what you analyzed and why it didn't make sense to you. You're speaking in very broad terms saying "they" taught you this and that and you analyzed it and it didn't make sense.

Why don't you say specifically what didn't make sense and why? You claim to have "dissected" all the parts of it.........so obviously you're very well versed in science and physics.

I'd love to see you just take any one subject, say the distance from the earth to the sun, and dissect it for us here and tell us, in technical terms, why it's not possible.

And I don't mean for you to say "you can't physically test it" or "you only think that because they told you to". If you have truly dissected this and seen it to be false.......you must have originally understood basic principles behind it and been able to take them apart.

There's a challenge for you kiddo.
Ok then. Let's see how you solve this.

I have a tennis ball and let's say it is 4 inches in diameter, plus I have another spherical object of which you have no clue as to how big it is.

I place the tennis ball 5 feet away from you, as your back in turned. I then place the other spherical object a great distance away.
The land as far as you can see, is basically flat.

Now then, this unknown sized sphere is rolling around you at this massive distance, basically like orbiting you, so here's what I need from you.

1. I want to know the distance of the sphere and also how big the sphere is.
Over to you.

you could always walk over there with a tape measure.

Or if you weren't a fan of large distances you could use a sight glass and a protractor create an imaginary right angled triangle based at two points you DID know the distance between with the third point at the sphere and work it out from the angles.

But first I'd want to know what my allowed margin of error was?
If you can do it accurately, like people are leading me to believe, then your accuracy margin should not be a thought.
Remember, you can walk to your ball and measure it physically after calculations to check, but then again, that defeats the object of what the point about measuring so called space objects that you cannot physically check.

So tell me what you would use and how you would go about it and what you would write in your note book that proves you to be correct.

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Re: Flying off the disc
« Reply #179 on: November 22, 2013, 08:10:56 AM »
If you can do it accurately, like people are leading me to believe, then your accuracy margin should not be a thought.
Remember, you can walk to your ball and measure it physically after calculations to check, but then again, that defeats the object of what the point about measuring so called space objects that you cannot physically check.

So tell me what you would use and how you would go about it and what you would write in your note book that proves you to be correct.
Margin of error is ALWAYS a consideration, we measure things to a certain point and call that good enough, nobody needs to know the distance to the shops in nanometers let alone the distance to celestial bodies and how accurate you need the measurement dictates what tools you use.

I have a meter wheel in the back of my van right now, If I wanted to know the distance to a random object I'd wheel it out, unless I wanted a more precise measurement and I'd have to go buy a tape measure unless I wanted a MORE accurate measurement and I'd splash out on surveyors gear but If my first measurement was 100metres I'd be pretty surprised if the surveyors gear put it at 10m away instead of something like 100.438m