What made you think the earth is flat?

I'm new here, and I've read the FAQ by the way, so please don't refer me to it.

I simply would like to know what made you first think the earth is flat.  Of course, everyone here has had Round Earth drilled in their heads through school, and I want to know why you turned to Flat Earth Theory.  I suppose you'll say "common sense" or "simple observation", and that's okay.  But please just give me about five examples of scientific evidence that suggests the world is flat.  Thank you very much for your responses.

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown. 

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown.

As a scientist if another scientist wrote a article proving gravity was caused by the color red, and it was backed up by several other groups in different laboratories independantly and their results were also published, I would conceded that gravity was caused by the color red

Thats the beauty about science

As a scientist if another scientist wrote a article proving gravity was caused by the color red, and it was backed up by several other groups in different laboratories independantly and their results were also published, I would conceded that gravity was caused by the color red

Thats the beauty about science

Please try to keep the thread on topic.  The OP was clearly aimed at FE believers.

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown.

Just out of curiousty. Share a contradiction of the RET.

Quote from: jroa on October 30, 2013, 09:29:53 PM

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown.

Just out of curiousty. Share a contradiction of the RET.

I hear a lot of crickets....

The problem is that the only arguments are based in experiments that the people who believe in the Flat Earth Theory are neither capable of reproducing themselves, not educated enough to see the inherent flaws in, and unwilling to question.

This could all be solved by investing in education and maybe burning some religious texts, but lets not jump off that cliff yet...

I do have a great experiment that I already know the answer, reasoning, and physics behind.  Up in Michigan there are some really, really deep mine shafts.  Into one of these mine shafts a college group decided to drop a lead ball to see if the velocity changed as the ball fell deeper into the Earth.  Because the shafts were drilled straight up and down (they had done there homework as far as that goes) they were very surprised to find that the ball never reached the bottom of the shaft, if kept running into the wall of the shaft on its way down....

Why....

Quote from: Don Quichotte on October 31, 2013, 02:20:03 PM

Quote from: jroa on October 30, 2013, 09:29:53 PM

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown.

Just out of curiousty. Share a contradiction of the RET.

I hear a lot of crickets....

The problem is that the only arguments are based in experiments that the people who believe in the Flat Earth Theory are neither capable of reproducing themselves, not educated enough to see the inherent flaws in, and unwilling to question.

This could all be solved by investing in education and maybe burning some religious texts, but lets not jump off that cliff yet...

I do have a great experiment that I already know the answer, reasoning, and physics behind.  Up in Michigan there are some really, really deep mine shafts.  Into one of these mine shafts a college group decided to drop a lead ball to see if the velocity changed as the ball fell deeper into the Earth.  Because the shafts were drilled straight up and down (they had done there homework as far as that goes) they were very surprised to find that the ball never reached the bottom of the shaft, if kept running into the wall of the shaft on its way down....

Why....

You have 7 posts, I would suggest you don't come off so arrogantly.  You are making a lot of presumptions about people here, who quite possibly have a greater handle on science and maths than yourself.  But please, continue stroking your own self-proclaimed intelligence.

Also, your last paragraph doesn't mean much.  I would suggest you post some sources that contain data.

The last paragraph asks it all?  Why did the lead ball run into the wall of the mine shaft?

Always the same wall...

Always in the same area...

The shaft was straight....  You could drop a plumb-bob down it and the line would show it to be a straight drop.  But still when you dropped the ball it would run into the wall...

It was always the East wall...

Anyone know why?

The last paragraph asks it all?  Why did the lead ball run into the wall of the mine shaft?

Always the same wall...

Always in the same area...

The shaft was straight....  You could drop a plumb-bob down it and the line would show it to be a straight drop.  But still when you dropped the ball it would run into the wall...

It was always the East wall...

Anyone know why?

This is why I suggested you post sources with data.  Most people won't just take your word for it.

Ok, as much as I hate spoilers it ran into the East wall because the Earth was spinning....  At the surface the lateral velocity of the ball matched the lateral velocity of everything around it.  As the ball fell deeper into the hole the lateral velocity of the ball exceeded the lateral velocity of the ground around it and it smashed into the East wall.

The reason that the lateral velocity of the Earth deep in the hole is lower is that being closer to the center of the Earth the circumference of the Earth is lower the deeper you go.

Sorry, but I figured that one out when I was six (about when they did the experiment).

blogs.mtu.edu/physics/files/2000/01/McNairFallingBodies.pdf‎

Its been done several times...

Ok, as much as I hate spoilers it ran into the East wall because the Earth was spinning....  At the surface the lateral velocity of the ball matched the lateral velocity of everything around it.  As the ball fell deeper into the hole the lateral velocity of the ball exceeded the lateral velocity of the ground around it and it smashed into the East wall.

The reason that the lateral velocity of the Earth deep in the hole is lower is that being closer to the center of the Earth the circumference of the Earth is lower the deeper you go.

Sorry, but I figured that one out when I was six (about when they did the experiment).

Okay, I will dumb it down for you since you seem to have difficulty grasping what I am saying.  Yes, I understood the point you were trying to make.  I am saying that you, the person making the claim about this experiment, need to post a source, with data, backing up what you are saying.  Does this make sense to you?  Please let me know if it is too difficult to understand and I will try to explain it even more simply.  If you need further help, I can try to assist in helping you understand what data would be relevant to post.

blogs.mtu.edu/physics/files/2000/01/McNairFallingBodies.pdf‎

Its been done several times...

Do you have a link that doesn't lead to a page with a 404 error?

Ok, as much as I hate spoilers it ran into the East wall because the Earth was spinning....  At the surface the lateral velocity of the ball matched the lateral velocity of everything around it.  As the ball fell deeper into the hole the lateral velocity of the ball exceeded the lateral velocity of the ground around it and it smashed into the East wall.

The reason that the lateral velocity of the Earth deep in the hole is lower is that being closer to the center of the Earth the circumference of the Earth is lower the deeper you go.

Sorry, but I figured that one out when I was six (about when they did the experiment).

How did they know it dropped into the east part of the wall, did they have sound equipment placed deep down the hole?

Sorry, Google is a pain...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.mtu.edu%2Fphysics%2Ffiles%2F2000%2F01%2FMcNairFallingBodies.pdf&ei=bGh0UpTMA6ukyAGC94CgBA&usg=AFQjCNGehaHc7Y2ercc1VZfQGS4I_LLXCw&bvm=bv.55819444,d.aWc

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown.

What contractions does RE have.

I'm new here, and I've read the FAQ by the way, so please don't refer me to it.

I simply would like to know what made you first think the earth is flat.  Of course, everyone here has had Round Earth drilled in their heads through school, and I want to know why you turned to Flat Earth Theory.  I suppose you'll say "common sense" or "simple observation", and that's okay.  But please just give me about five examples of scientific evidence that suggests the world is flat.  Thank you very much for your responses.

Are you asking this as part of your scheme to see how to censor FET by attacking the causes?

EX: I tell you I learned about the Flat Earth from some source, your RETerrorists spend trillions destroying that source or distorting it (using bendy light) into a source for RET that attacks FET, to prevent FET from making people THINK for ourselves, to realize the Earth is Flat.

FREEEEDDOOOOOOOOM

Sorry, Google is a pain...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.mtu.edu%2Fphysics%2Ffiles%2F2000%2F01%2FMcNairFallingBodies.pdf&ei=bGh0UpTMA6ukyAGC94CgBA&usg=AFQjCNGehaHc7Y2ercc1VZfQGS4I_LLXCw&bvm=bv.55819444,d.aWc

I have elsewhere given an account of these circumstances and of the
rather elaborate investigation of the cause of the divergence which was finally traced to currents
of air circulating in the mine

I didn't read all of it because it was so bad, so skimmed over it, this quote verified my initial thoughts. The shaft was also assumed to be perfectly straight.

I really feel that the best hope for humanity is extinction.

The more I look at the debating skills of the people on here the less bad I feel about thinking that way.

I provide proof, and you say I am lying.

I ask you to provide proof, and you say you don't have any, or it isn't ready yet.

Which leads me to believe your all brainwashed, let me guess, fundamentalist religions?

The last paragraph asks it all?  Why did the lead ball run into the wall of the mine shaft?

Always the same wall...

Always in the same area...

The shaft was straight....  You could drop a plumb-bob down it and the line would show it to be a straight drop.  But still when you dropped the ball it would run into the wall...

It was always the East wall...

Anyone know why?

There are two possible fake explanations. Either you think the world is 'rotating towards the East' causing sunrise (lol)!

Or the straight shaft wasn't straight at all but curved because you think the Earth's a "giant bowling ball".

But I'd have to go with the other answer which is, a magnetic source of electromagnetic under the earth that pushed the ball to some direction.

Just like metal is magnetized inside a compass, floating on water, by a magnetic current. Without even needing a magnet. Iron can be drawn to other magnetic sources, and guess what! You were in a MINE, GENIUS..

You never thought a mine can have metal or magnetic resources that are underground and drawn metal by magnetic flow? Wasn't there metal in the structure of the mine itself, unless it was all supported by wood or magic...

Why didn't you repeat that experiment with a heavy rock, that had the same weight? Because you're afraid it would prove the Earth is Flat.

Which leads me to believe your all brainwashed, let me guess, fundamentalist religions?

How do we all know you're not a hippy atheist who's into bestiality and strong mind altering drugs?

At least the Bible is flat. And I haven't found anything in it that was disproven or debunked. And I debunked the Holocaust, so I know my debunking, mate.

How can you assume the Bible isn't pure fact? You have no evidence to say anything in it isn't fact, which goes further to show how misguided you lead your 'campaign against FETruth and Bible'.

Do you hate the Bible because it's Flat? Does it remind you of the Earth? ....  Eye arrest Mike Ace 

Evil Jeffrey - haven't you realized yet that the FE'rs are incapable of rational discussion?  EVERYTHING to them regarding science proving the Earth is in fact NOT FLAT has somehow been faked.

Not to wave my own flag but I still have the single best argument that none of these FE'rs even dared to touch.  It was beyond their ability of rational thought.  Crickets...crickets...nothing but crickets.

I see this pattern in a lot of threads.

Newby shows up, says "give me a little scientific evidence supporting FET, please?"

FE replies "well, it just makes more sense".

Thread promptly gets derailed with no scientific evidence supporting FE ever having surfaced...

And you wonder why I am becoming more and more convinced that the earth is round!

Evil Jeffrey - haven't you realized yet that the FE'rs are incapable of rational discussion?  EVERYTHING to them regarding science proving the Earth is in fact NOT FLAT has somehow been faked.

Not to wave my own flag but I still have the single best argument that none of these FE'rs even dared to touch.  It was beyond their ability of rational thought.  Crickets...crickets...nothing but crickets.

I will dare to touch it if I can. Can you link it for me so I know what to address?

Evil Jeffrey - haven't you realized yet that the FE'rs are incapable of rational discussion?  EVERYTHING to them regarding science proving the Earth is in fact NOT FLAT has somehow been faked.

Not to wave my own flag but I still have the single best argument that none of these FE'rs even dared to touch.  It was beyond their ability of rational thought.  Crickets...crickets...nothing but crickets.

Yeah sadly, this started to look slightly promising like there might be an intellectual challenge to debating FET. I am 1/4 brothers, and i would have a go at debating that black was white if i could get one over my older brothers and felt like it at the time, i thought these guys might actually try bring some rational debate rather than avoidance tactics and obtuse religious fascists like Silverdane.

I don't like the bible because it is filled with rubbish that cant be proven, used by men to gain positions of power and then usually abuse it (sometimes by raping children).

Luckily society invented science a long time ago to deal with religion, it's working slowly it seems to have at least pushed these people back to seedy forums on the internet where they can be tracked by their governments (lol).

Also, 'bendy light' debunks the only experimental evidence on the whole site (the Bedford Level experiment). It would have been the opposite result if light tended to bend upwards.

I came here as a round Earther just to debate with the flat Earthers.  After a while, I realized that FET has a ton more supporting evidence than RET does.  The more I probed, the more I realized that RET was full of contradictions, incomplete theories and flat out lies. 

People are expected to accept RET and to never question it.  Most people don't.  If scientists told us tomorrow that gravity is caused be the color red, people would just accept that as a fact or law.

Stick around and keep an open mind.  And, prepare to have your mind blown.

1: You seem gullible, gfy.

2: You seem to expect people to accept FET and never question it. Also, your second statement is reductio ad absurdum.

3: Oh my mind has been blown, alright. Alas, not in the way you seem to intend.

I see this pattern in a lot of threads.

Newby shows up, says "give me a little scientific evidence supporting FET, please?"

FE replies "well, it just makes more sense".

Thread promptly gets derailed with no scientific evidence supporting FE ever having surfaced...

And you wonder why I am becoming more and more convinced that the earth is round!

Can you just put this on every thread on this site to make sure it doesn't repeat itself any further? That would be soothing.