Moderation

Quote from: darknavyseal on September 19, 2013, 09:10:51 PM

Quote from: the earth is flat on September 19, 2013, 10:13:01 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on September 19, 2013, 09:38:21 AM

Quote from: the earth is flat on September 19, 2013, 08:57:59 AM

where there is sun there is mirage
where the temperature is not absolute zero there is mirage

From wikipedia:

"A superior mirage occurs when the air below the line of sight is colder than the air above it. This unusual arrangement is called a temperature inversion, since warm air above cold air is the opposite of the normal temperature gradient of the atmosphere. Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior. Superior mirages are in general less common than inferior mirages, but when they do occur, they tend to be more stable, as cold air has no tendency to move up and warm air has no tendency to move down."

This is precisely what is happening there at Chesapeake Bay. A place know for marine layers.

gov't coverup of the truth

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darknavyseal, do not make low content posts in the upper fora.  Consider this a warning.

Nevertheless the earth is flat cannot substantiate their conspiracy theories.

Distrust of the government again causes FE'ers leave reality.

Also I never see a FE'er warned for low content posting.

Why aren't there any round earth moderators??

Also I never see a FE'er warned for low content posting.

Why aren't there any round earth moderators??

This is not the place to bring up concerns.  We have a forum for that called Suggestions and Concerns.  However, I will let you know that I have warned 3 people in the past 24 hours.  2 were FE'ers.  In fact, most of the warnings I give are to FE'ers.

Also, markjo used to be a moderator, and he is the biggest RE'er here. 

Now, back on topic please.

Quote from: darknavyseal on September 19, 2013, 09:10:51 PM

Quote from: the earth is flat on September 19, 2013, 10:13:01 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on September 19, 2013, 09:38:21 AM

Quote from: the earth is flat on September 19, 2013, 08:57:59 AM

where there is sun there is mirage
where the temperature is not absolute zero there is mirage

From wikipedia:

"A superior mirage occurs when the air below the line of sight is colder than the air above it. This unusual arrangement is called a temperature inversion, since warm air above cold air is the opposite of the normal temperature gradient of the atmosphere. Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior. Superior mirages are in general less common than inferior mirages, but when they do occur, they tend to be more stable, as cold air has no tendency to move up and warm air has no tendency to move down."

This is precisely what is happening there at Chesapeake Bay. A place know for marine layers.

gov't coverup of the truth

***####***ERROR LOADING FACTS***####***
***####****TERMINATING LOGIC****####***
***###***LOADING CONSPIRACY SCAPEGOAT***###***

darknavyseal, do not make low content posts in the upper fora.  Consider this a warning.

It is not low content. If I said "I think you are refusing to accept facts. Do not abandon logic just to hide behind a conspiracy" it would not have been 'low content'. Just because I stated it in a humorous way (in my opinion) does not make it low content.

Your post was low content. Keep it out of the upper fora.

Quote from: jroa on September 19, 2013, 10:10:06 PM

Quote from: darknavyseal on September 19, 2013, 09:10:51 PM

Quote from: the earth is flat on September 19, 2013, 10:13:01 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on September 19, 2013, 09:38:21 AM

Quote from: the earth is flat on September 19, 2013, 08:57:59 AM

where there is sun there is mirage
where the temperature is not absolute zero there is mirage

From wikipedia:

"A superior mirage occurs when the air below the line of sight is colder than the air above it. This unusual arrangement is called a temperature inversion, since warm air above cold air is the opposite of the normal temperature gradient of the atmosphere. Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior. Superior mirages are in general less common than inferior mirages, but when they do occur, they tend to be more stable, as cold air has no tendency to move up and warm air has no tendency to move down."

This is precisely what is happening there at Chesapeake Bay. A place know for marine layers.

gov't coverup of the truth

***####***ERROR LOADING FACTS***####***
***####****TERMINATING LOGIC****####***
***###***LOADING CONSPIRACY SCAPEGOAT***###***

darknavyseal, do not make low content posts in the upper fora.  Consider this a warning.

It is not low content. If I said "I think you are refusing to accept facts. Do not abandon logic just to hide behind a conspiracy" it would not have been 'low content'. Just because I stated it in a humorous way (in my opinion) does not make it low content.

Your post was low content. Keep it out of the upper fora.

darknavyseal, this is not the place to discuss your concerns.  We don't need to derail the thread so I can explain why it is low content.  Send me a PM or make a post in the Suggestions and Concerns area.  This is another warning.

This is not the place to bring up concerns.  We have a forum for that called Suggestions and Concerns.  However, I will let you know that I have warned 3 people in the past 24 hours.  2 were FE'ers.  In fact, most of the warnings I give are to FE'ers.

Also, markjo used to be a moderator, and he is the biggest RE'er here. 

Now, back on topic please.

Publicly?? Because thats not evident in your post history.

Also 1 RE person used to be a mod, I don't really think thats good enough.

Now, back on topic please.

Gentlemen, I moved your posts to suggestions and concerns.  Here, you can complain all you want about the warning that I gave darknavyseal and how terrible I am for issuing it.  Please do not do that in the flat Earth fora any more.  It just derails the threads and makes it hard to have a real discussion in a thread.

I left the original post and warning in the other thread to serve as a warning to the others, but moved the rest of the posts here.  Those two posts are quoted in several of the these posts, so people will know the context of this discussion.

Now, I assume you want an explanation for why I thought that post was low content.  Here are my reasons.  It had no real content.  It was just a joke that basically insulted the people you were arguing with.  It brought nothing to the discussion.  darknavyseal may as well have said, "You are stupid and can not understand logic."  This is considered low content.

When I ask you not to argue about moderation in the original thread, it is because it would just further derail the topic, not because I am avoiding the subject.  In the future, please use either the PM function, if you want to discuss it privately, or the Suggestions and Concerns forum, if you want to discuss it publicly.  Do not, however, discuss it in the thread in which the warning was given.

Gentlemen, I moved your posts to suggestions and concerns.  Here, you can complain all you want about the warning that I gave darknavyseal and how terrible I am for issuing it.  Please do not do that in the flat Earth fora any more.  It just derails the threads and makes it hard to have a real discussion in a thread.

I left the original post and warning in the other thread to serve as a warning to the others, but moved the rest of the posts here.  Those two posts are quoted in several of the these posts, so people will know the context of this discussion.

Now, I assume you want an explanation for why I thought that post was low content.  Here are my reasons.  It had no real content.  It was just a joke that basically insulted the people you were arguing with.  It brought nothing to the discussion.  darknavyseal may as well have said, "You are stupid and can not understand logic."  This is considered low content.

When I ask you not to argue about moderation in the original thread, it is because it would just further derail the topic, not because I am avoiding the subject.  In the future, please use either the PM function, if you want to discuss it privately, or the Suggestions and Concerns forum, if you want to discuss it publicly.  Do not, however, discuss it in the thread in which the warning was given.

I think there does need to be some round earth moderators.

I agree, however not solely for the sake of having an RE'er mod. if only we had capable RE'ers. 

It should not matter.  Moderators are not here to judge people's beliefs.  They have a thankless job of keeping the fora clean.  If a mod is doing his job, his personal beliefs should not matter.

Like I said earlier, I give more warnings to FE'ers than RE'ers.

What would the difference be if there were RE mods?  The biggest reason there are not any RE mods is because RE'ers do not tend to stay long, and the ones that do are the militant perma noobs who act nasty to everyone.

Mods are not chosen based on their beliefs.  They are picked from the members who have shown that they will be here for a long time, know and follow the rules, and are active in all the fora. 

The mods are very fair here. They are just more lenient to long term members. I can testify that they have never given me a hard time even when I post on the fringes of the rules or even pushing them. However they can also spot light hearted jokes too. The forum is for our entertainment after all.

You know the mods are doing their job when people do nothing but baw about them.

This batch of angry noobs are very militant.  They seem like they are owed something.  I think that is sad. but I will try to help. 

I thinks that's due to the age group this website has need attracting. They still have to raise their hands to go to the toilet. Of course they are going to complain about the authority.

This batch of angry noobs are very militant.  They seem like they are owed something.  I think that is sad. but I will try to help.

I actually started using this website very politely and have tried to maintain that.

But some FE users Ævan to for the most part are often very rude and it wears other people down.

It doesn't help when FE'er is calling you stupid or say a fact which is accepted by the wider scientific community is stupid, you respond in kind, and then a, FE moderator pops up and goes "that's a low content post"

I resent the term militant Noob everything counter argument I post on this forum is substantiated by fact and often the cherished observed examples, and when numerous FE'ers cannot argue something with logic or data or a scientist who isn't Rowbotham (a dubous source at best), it annoys me. But I still try to be polite. 

The moderation here seems very one sided, and FE'ers are often treated less strictly than RE'ers

Part of the problem for you moderators is that you have too many types of thread to police.

Why don't you just eliminate the QA section entirely?? All debate starts which a question and this is why the QA and debate sections are indistinguishable. If people want FE answers to FE questions they should just go to the believers category, where I personally never go and you can say "challenge this in the debate section"

Quote from: jroa on September 21, 2013, 04:53:35 AM

This batch of angry noobs are very militant.  They seem like they are owed something.  I think that is sad. but I will try to help.

I actually started using this website very politely and have tried to maintain that.

But some FE users Ævan to for the most part are often very rude and it wears other people down.

It doesn't help when FE'er is calling you stupid or say a fact which is accepted by the wider scientific community is stupid, you respond in kind, and then a, FE moderator pops up and goes "that's a low content post"

I resent the term militant Noob everything counter argument I post on this forum is substantiated by fact and often the cherished observed examples, and when numerous FE'ers cannot argue something with logic or data or a scientist who isn't Rowbotham (a dubous source at best), it annoys me. But I still try to be polite. 

The moderation here seems very one sided, and FE'ers are often treated less strictly than RE'ers

Don't worry about aevan.
I can attest that the mods aren't earth shape biased, but as mentioned above, they are more lenient to long term members.

Part of the problem for you moderators is that you have too many types of thread to police.

Why don't you just eliminate the QA section entirely?? All debate starts which a question and this is why the QA and debate sections are indistinguishable. If people want FE answers to FE questions they should just go to the believers category, where I personally never go and you can say "challenge this in the debate section"

Q&A is there for people to ask questions and get answers.  You people treat it like a sandbox, where you can do whatever you want. 

The debate section should be the only place you are allowed to argue, yet you do it everywhere.

I am sick and tired of this bunch of perma noobs.  They are the worst.

Also, I gave Ævan a public warning just the other day.  Why do you noobs say that we only give RE'ers warnings?  Do you even read these threads, or do you just post whatever comes into your minds?

i would like to add, Jroa is the best mod since Markjo. I wish we could give out 6 lit squares, is that possible?

Part of the problem for you moderators is that you have too many types of thread to police.

Why don't you just eliminate the QA section entirely?? All debate starts which a question and this is why the QA and debate sections are indistinguishable. If people want FE answers to FE questions they should just go to the believers category, where I personally never go and you can say "challenge this in the debate section"

We have a Q&A sections for questions, and a section for Debates.
They're indistinguishable because of n00bs and REers who seem to think Q&A is for debate.
No. The Believers section is for people who believe in FE to discuss FE.

Quote from: jroa on September 21, 2013, 04:53:35 AM

This batch of angry noobs are very militant.  They seem like they are owed something.  I think that is sad. but I will try to help.

I actually started using this website very politely and have tried to maintain that.

But some FE users Ævan to for the most part are often very rude and it wears other people down.

It doesn't help when FE'er is calling you stupid or say a fact which is accepted by the wider scientific community is stupid, you respond in kind, and then a, FE moderator pops up and goes "that's a low content post"

I resent the term militant Noob everything counter argument I post on this forum is substantiated by fact and often the cherished observed examples, and when numerous FE'ers cannot argue something with logic or data or a scientist who isn't Rowbotham (a dubous source at best), it annoys me. But I still try to be polite. 

The moderation here seems very one sided, and FE'ers are often treated less strictly than RE'ers

The moderation isn't one sided here. I just figure the mods are more lenient on long time members, who are usually FEers.

Also, I gave Ævan a public warning just the other day.  Why do you noobs say that we only give RE'ers warnings?  Do you even read these threads, or do you just post whatever comes into your minds?

Can you post the link please? This the point I am trying to make that you should make every point you say in arguments with links to the evidence and credible sources. This frequently does not happen with FE'ers.

Quote from: danger2007 on September 21, 2013, 06:11:41 AM

Part of the problem for you moderators is that you have too many types of thread to police.

Why don't you just eliminate the QA section entirely?? All debate starts which a question and this is why the QA and debate sections are indistinguishable. If people want FE answers to FE questions they should just go to the believers category, where I personally never go and you can say "challenge this in the debate section"

Q&A is there for people to ask questions and get answers.  You people treat it like a sandbox, where you can do whatever you want. 

The debate section should be the only place you are allowed to argue, yet you do it everywhere.

I am sick and tired of this bunch of perma noobs.  They are the worst.

I still maintain that from what you've said the Believers and QA section serve fundamentally the same purpose, that you can't start a debate with out a question, and Q and A in the real world frequently involves follow up questions. You'll have a lot less trouble moderating if you merge the QA and Debate together.

Unfortunately when you have a website purveying such radical believes you will attract opposition or """"perma noobs""" as you like to call them. If you care so much about this idea, you must be able to put up with this and defend your case politely with proven facts and credible sources

danger2007, what you continuously fail to understand is that no one here has to put up with you or defend their case. This forum's purpose is not to try and satisfy the needs of everyone that comes with questions. We try to be accommodating, but there are limits to that.

This is the Flat Earth Society, not the Argue With RE'ers Society.

I don't understand why the occasional Q&A thread turning into a debate is a problem.  It's bound to happen if the person who asks is unsatisfied with the answer, and once the question is answered it either turns into a debate or becomes a dead thread anyway.

Just don't necessarily expect anyone to "take the bait" and engage in debate with you if it develops that way.  In my view if it happens it's cool but if not deal with it.

I don't disagree with you, Roundy.  It is completely understandable for someone to ask more questions or even debate the answers.  However, I do take offence when an answer is given and 10 perma noobs jump into the thread and start spewing RET junk.

The question was for an FET answer.  Why should we allow RE'ers to jump in when the poster wanted a FE answer?

I don't disagree with you, Roundy.  It is completely understandable for someone to ask more questions or even debate the answers.  However, I do take offence when an answer is given and 10 perma noobs jump into the thread and start spewing RET junk.

The question was for an FET answer.  Why should we allow RE'ers to jump in when the poster wanted a FE answer?

Because if they just hear a FE answer then they can just take that as the answer without considering why it may be wrong. Sounds like an indoctrination forum the way you put it.

Everyone knows round Earth theory.  Why do you feel the need to spew it here?  You are not telling us anything new.

Because if they just hear a FE answer then they can just take that as the answer without considering why it may be wrong. Sounds like an indoctrination forum the way you put it.

"Everyone is dumb except me, it's my civic duty to save other people from their dumbness"

I don't disagree with you, Roundy.  It is completely understandable for someone to ask more questions or even debate the answers.  However, I do take offence when an answer is given and 10 perma noobs jump into the thread and start spewing RET junk.

The question was for an FET answer.  Why should we allow RE'ers to jump in when the poster wanted a FE answer?

Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

Do you have any links to sources and credible references, jroa? You shouldn't ever post anything anywhere without them.

No, everything I have ever said is invalidated, unfortunately.