Flat Earth Forums Are A Moderation Wasteland

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:51:20 PM

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.

Because it's hard to click the mouse a few times and look for a few seconds.
Just set the threads to notify you when there are replies. Simple.

Quote from: REphoenix on September 13, 2013, 01:56:11 PM

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:51:20 PM

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.

Because it's hard to click the mouse a few times and look for a few seconds.
Just set the threads to notify you when there are replies. Simple.

I am not saying that it's hard, just that it seems unnessesary.

Quote from: Junker on September 13, 2013, 01:52:29 PM

Honestly, I think he is just trolling at this point.  Probably best to move on.

I think Junker is right.  Nobody can be this dense.

I'm not trolling. If you want me to start a debate thread for every one of my questions then I will. Either way, I'm done on this thread.

Don't be butt hurt.  We all give in to the FES eventually.  Just stop trying to debate in Q&A.  That is all we are asking.

RE Phoenix you will notice that I did what you are saying is too much work and then the mod, seeing that the conversation was shifting, merged the threads.  Its like a collaboration.  All sides of the community have to work together to make it a good system.  For the part of poster's they just have to follow the rules and respect the topics of each forum.  Its really simple when you get used to it.

This is why I suggested, a while ago, that we just merge forums.  Every thread turns into a debate eventually.

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:51:20 PM

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.

You already know that you're not going to accept any of the answers, right? So why bother with the Q&A forum at all? Every question you could think up has probably already been answered repeatedly, you could probably search for your topic, find the answer, and then start a thread in the debate forum.

markjo is a bad influence on the noobs.

Markjo would be a lot more helpful if he bothered putting any effort at all into his posts. He just regurgitates the same one-line questions over and over again, never bringing any original or helpful ideas to the table. Honestly, I think he is purgatory material, but if I ever wonder why he's still there, I just have to view the title of this thread and sigh.

Quote from: jroa on September 13, 2013, 01:51:20 PM

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.

Questions rarely lead to debates. Loaded questions lead to debates, and hijacked threads become debates. These two categories make up 90% of threads in the Q&A, which is dumb and should stop being a thing.

Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?

We didn't set up the separate debate and Q&A forums.  Daniel did.

You can respect it, at least.

Following a question that has been answered there is, in my view, no problem with users pursuing the relevant line of argument in order to test that answer. But it is frankly unhelpful when users who have been around for ages effectively hijack that process in order to score points. There is an egotism in asking questions that you know the answer to, merely to display as much.


It would be very nice if a forum norm were to develop whereby RE veterans would simply butt-out of threads where newcomers are genuinely trying to understand FET. I guess I can dream...

It would be very nice if a forum norm were to develop whereby RE veterans would simply butt-out of threads where newcomers are genuinely trying to understand FET. I guess I can dream...

You could always, you know, make it a rule. You're an administrator.

It doubt it would work as a given rule, but a created social norm is a different beast. At best we can all act as best as we can and hope it develops naturally. There are times we had it, and times we didn't.

Just to further Rushy's premise that the FE forums are a moderation wasteland:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542217.html#msg1542217

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542212.html#msg1542212

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542130.html#msg1542130

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542141.html#msg1542141

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542223.html#msg1542223

Nice job guys. Real nice.

Rama Set, who are you going to baaaw about next?

Yes, low content posts are not allowed in the upper fora.  When a topic is dead, however, it really does not seem so bad, does it? 

Rushy and I slipped and made a few low content posts.  But there was nothing else to say  about the subject, other than to have a joke.  You do have a sense of humour, don't you?

But, for Rama Set's sake, I will personally try harder not to have fun here.

Rama Set, who are you going to baaaw about next?

Yes, low content posts are not allowed in the upper fora.  When a topic is dead, however, it really does not seem so bad, does it? 

Rushy and I slipped and made a few low content posts.  But there was nothing else to say  about the subject, other than to have a joke.  You do have a sense of humour, don't you?

But, for Rama Set's sake, I will personally try harder not to have fun here.

So you admit you failed at your job and broke the rules you are supposed to uphold. Mission accomplished.

I have been hand-slapped for having fun too, it happens to everyone.

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Quote from: jroa on September 17, 2013, 10:41:39 AM

Rama Set, who are you going to baaaw about next?

Yes, low content posts are not allowed in the upper fora.  When a topic is dead, however, it really does not seem so bad, does it? 

Rushy and I slipped and made a few low content posts.  But there was nothing else to say  about the subject, other than to have a joke.  You do have a sense of humour, don't you?

But, for Rama Set's sake, I will personally try harder not to have fun here.

So you admit you failed at your job and broke the rules you are supposed to uphold. Mission accomplished.

I have been hand-slapped for having fun too, it happens to everyone.

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Have you been banned for making a joke once in a while, or just reminded about the rules?

Reminded about the rules. Like I just had to do to you. When I am reminded, I acknowledge it humbly and do not try and defend my actions, but would accept whatever judgement is passed. What's worse is that you are supposed to be the one that can be trusted to uphold the rules. But you are currently not showing the necessary maturity level to do so. By all means though, continue to rationalize and excuse yourself from doing your job properly.

Reminded about the rules. Like I just had to do to you. When I am reminded, I acknowledge it humbly and do not try and defend my actions, but would accept whatever judgement is passed. What's worse is that you are supposed to be the one that can be trusted to uphold the rules. But you are currently not showing the necessary maturity level to do so. By all means though, continue to rationalize and excuse yourself from doing your job properly.

When I read that, in my head, I heard more an more hate with every word.  Do you hate me?  For real?

I am a janitor.  I keep the fora clean.  Spam gets put in the trash.  Porn goes to the Mod only forum.  And, when people break the rules, I let them know.

I am human.  I try to be serious as much as I can.  But, I will admit that I do slip.

Don't be a d*ck about it.  I made a joke or two today.  Whether or not they were funny is beyond the point.    You are over reacting to this website and trying to get me in trouble.

jroa said stuff

Aren't you a moderator now? Not a janitor? Or are the Moderators still janitors? I thought we considered the Curators the janitors. I know it wasn't the editors...

A mod is just a Curator who can read the super super secret forum and ban people.  I am still here to clean stuff up. 

My life is sad. 

If you read hate, then that is your own baggage; I don't hate you mate I just like it when rules are applied evenly. Maybe that makes me a d*ck. I can live with that.

And jroa, if you want to show fairness then maybe you can start with warning Rushy

I think I have warned Rushy, but I can't remember for sure.  I know I banned sceptimatic, Excelsior John, Raist, and others.  I am not here to ban RE'ers.  I am here to enforce the rules.

I think I have warned Rushy, but I can't remember for sure.  I know I banned sceptimatic, Excelsior John, Raist, and others.  I am not here to ban RE'ers.  I am here to enforce the rules.

I look forward to you continuing to do so.

If someone has been warned several times but keeps repeating the same mistake, then maybe he deserves a harsher punishment, like a ban. Don't you think?

Rama, I'll be honest. You're coming off as a bit of a prick here. Maybe tone down the arrogance a bit.

As a former moderator who was demodded for doing essentially what you all are suggesting, I assure you that it's a bad idea. The Bamhammer should be wielded with discretion. Blanket warnings without consideration of context are... inadvisable. People take them badly.

The last thing I'd like to say is that the entitled attitude needs to stop. Jroa isn't getting paid to police this forum, nor are the other mods and admins. They're doing it for the love of the community. It's fine to criticize where you feel it's required, but the mods spend countless hours keeping the peace here for you and that should be remembered.

Now, Rama, stop smugly rationalizing your bullying and apologize to jroa. Or you will find that this forum quickly becomes inhospitable to people it does not like.

Rama, I'll be honest. You're coming off as a bit of a prick here. Maybe tone down the arrogance a bit.

As a former moderator who was demodded for doing essentially what you all are suggesting, I assure you that it's a bad idea. The Bamhammer should be wielded with discretion. Blanket warnings without consideration of context are... inadvisable. People take them badly.

The last thing I'd like to say is that the entitled attitude needs to stop. Jroa isn't getting paid to police this forum, nor are the other mods and admins. They're doing it for the love of the community. It's fine to criticize where you feel it's required, but the mods spend countless hours keeping the peace here for you and that should be remembered.

Now, Rama, stop smugly rationalizing your bullying and apologize to jroa. Or you will find that this forum quickly becomes inhospitable to people it does not like.

Jroa and I have handled this privately. Thanks for the input Tausami although I never asked for anyone to be banned. I never even implied it. As you suggested I criticized when I felt it was required and I am now over it.

Quote from: Tausami on September 17, 2013, 11:45:53 AM

Rama, I'll be honest. You're coming off as a bit of a prick here. Maybe tone down the arrogance a bit.

As a former moderator who was demodded for doing essentially what you all are suggesting, I assure you that it's a bad idea. The Bamhammer should be wielded with discretion. Blanket warnings without consideration of context are... inadvisable. People take them badly.

The last thing I'd like to say is that the entitled attitude needs to stop. Jroa isn't getting paid to police this forum, nor are the other mods and admins. They're doing it for the love of the community. It's fine to criticize where you feel it's required, but the mods spend countless hours keeping the peace here for you and that should be remembered.

Now, Rama, stop smugly rationalizing your bullying and apologize to jroa. Or you will find that this forum quickly becomes inhospitable to people it does not like.

Jroa and I have handled this privately. Thanks for the input Tausami.

I don't care about your disagreements with jroa. That's his problem. I want you to apologize, publicly. To jroa for being an unreasonable peasant, and to the rest of the society for being an unlikeable, arrogant prick. This isn't that complicated. It's just the decent thing to do.

Thank you for your judgement of me. You will understand if your tone does not inspire me to do anything that you ask. I hope you also understand when I ask you to please not threaten me with social retribution. If you wish to open an S & C thread about, please do so.