The International Date Line on a flat earth

Hey john, not trolling here just curious. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, you believe the Earth is flat but the sun is indeed 93 million miles away? Is this a different model than the 3000 mile distant sun in the FAQ? If so Id love to see a diagram or model of it. I think I grasp the timezones, just not the limitations of the suns light

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

I hope im not derailing your thread jonny, if you have something closer to your OP to discuss then I could create a new one

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

Sorry , Echo4Elroy, your question hasn't come up before and I'm just as curious as you as to the FE explanation.

Also.......Sorry, Echo4Elroy but on this forum sometimes an RE'er has to step in  and explain things they have seen on this website. :

I think the official FE theory is that the sun is 3000 miles from the earth and is a spotlight that shines in a circle that shines on only a part of the earth at a time (12 hours per time zone ?)   as it orbits and shines such that it makes  an orbit of the earth in 24 hours and that is what makes the time zones.

Since the sun shines only downward, the light from the moon comes from luminescent objects or some phenomena on the moon rather than reflected light from the sun. Some other sources say that light from the moon comes from reflected light from the earth. There seems to be considerable different theories from FE.

Correct me, FE if I'm wrong in your theories. I haven't seen the 93 mllion mile distance listed previously in FE theory.

There is another thread in which the  flat earth is mentioned by FE  as a "lit disc"  as seen from space  and this would indicate the whole earth was in daylight at the same time and all the time 

Could FE step in explain and clear up this confusion ? I must confess that I am just one of the billions of persons who have been so " Indoctrinated and brain washed in the so-called "Round Earth Theory" of the so-called "Round Earth Conspiracy" that "Flat Earth Theory" is a little confusing at times. I could use some clarification, too. 

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

That's fine. Actually light is a quite bit more complicated. The sun's light emits via electromagnetic waves, and about 44% of the sun's electromagnetic radiation that reaches the Earth's ground is in the visible light range, so what I am saying is that only roughly half of the flat earth is lit by VISIBLE light, while the rest of the light given off from the Sun is invisible. Light is a very complicated matter, scientific fact has shown it is emitted in different ranges, from visible to invisible. So light is lit all over the Earth, but only 44% of that light that hits the Earth's ground is visible. All this is caused by electromagnetic waves meeting gas molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, which also causes the sky to be blue. I'm really glad to see you are not giving in to the 20,000 miles away BS and accepting both scientific facts that the Earth is flat and the sun is 93 million miles away

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:59:02 PM

I hope im not derailing your thread jonny, if you have something closer to your OP to discuss then I could create a new one

Oh no this isnt my thread it doesn't mind me at all. Oh yeah and sorry I couldn't get you an answer earlier, I was answering other people in FES

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 05:12:30 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

Sorry , Echo4Elroy, your question hasn't come up before and I'm just as curious as you as to the FE explanation.

Also.......Sorry, Echo4Elroy but on this forum sometimes an RE'er has to step in  and explain things they have seen on this website. :

I think the official FE theory is that the sun is 3000 miles from the earth and is a spotlight that shines in a circle that shines on only a part of the earth at a time (12 hours per time zone ?)   as it orbits and shines such that it makes  an orbit of the earth in 24 hours and that is what makes the time zones.

Since the sun shines only downward, the light from the moon comes from luminescent objects or some phenomena on the moon rather than reflected light from the sun. Some other sources say that light from the moon comes from reflected light from the earth. There seems to be considerable different theories from FE.

Correct me, FE if I'm wrong in your theories. I haven't seen the 93 mllion mile distance listed previously in FE theory.

There is another thread in which the  flat earth is mentioned by FE  as a "lit disc"  as seen from space  and this would indicate the whole earth was in daylight at the same time and all the time 

Could FE step in explain and clear up this confusion ? I must confess that I am just one of the billions of persons who have been so " Indoctrinated and brain washed in the so-called "Round Earth Theory" of the so-called "Round Earth Conspiracy" that "Flat Earth Theory" is a little confusing at times. I could use some clarification, too. 

Don't get so cocky about yourself rounder, I got an answer as I explained above.
I don't believe everything FES tells me, all because I am a member doesn't mean I should treat every one of their teachings as dogma. And yes you haven't seen 93 million miles because most flat earthers believe in the 20,000 miles BS
"Lit disc"? Never heard that one before, and I sure dont believe that whatsoever
Also I don't believe in the Conspiracy anymore. I truly do believe scientists and all rounders have been mistaken as to the shape of the Earth

Minor hijack.  John, your idea of a ninety three million mile away sun shining on a flat Earth is bunk.  The sun's rays would be nearly perpendicular all over the Earth.  They're not, and unless you want to ascribe it to an entirely new, unobserved optical effect with no experimental evidence behind it, it doesn't work.  Return to your previous off topic discussion now.

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 05:45:03 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

That's fine. Actually light is a quite bit more complicated. The sun's light emits via electromagnetic waves, and about 44% of the sun's electromagnetic radiation that reaches the Earth's ground is in the visible light range, so what I am saying is that only roughly half of the flat earth is lit by VISIBLE light, while the rest of the light given off from the Sun is invisible. Light is a very complicated matter, scientific fact has shown it is emitted in different ranges, from visible to invisible. So light is lit all over the Earth, but only 44% of that light that hits the Earth's ground is visible. All this is caused by electromagnetic waves meeting gas molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, which also causes the sky to be blue. I'm really glad to see you are not giving in to the 20,000 miles away BS and accepting both scientific facts that the Earth is flat and the sun is 93 million miles away

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:59:02 PM

I hope im not derailing your thread jonny, if you have something closer to your OP to discuss then I could create a new one

Oh no this isnt my thread it doesn't mind me at all. Oh yeah and sorry I couldn't get you an answer earlier, I was answering other people in FES

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 05:12:30 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

Sorry , Echo4Elroy, your question hasn't come up before and I'm just as curious as you as to the FE explanation.

Also.......Sorry, Echo4Elroy but on this forum sometimes an RE'er has to step in  and explain things they have seen on this website. :

I think the official FE theory is that the sun is 3000 miles from the earth and is a spotlight that shines in a circle that shines on only a part of the earth at a time (12 hours per time zone ?)   as it orbits and shines such that it makes  an orbit of the earth in 24 hours and that is what makes the time zones.

Since the sun shines only downward, the light from the moon comes from luminescent objects or some phenomena on the moon rather than reflected light from the sun. Some other sources say that light from the moon comes from reflected light from the earth. There seems to be considerable different theories from FE.

Correct me, FE if I'm wrong in your theories. I haven't seen the 93 mllion mile distance listed previously in FE theory.

There is another thread in which the  flat earth is mentioned by FE  as a "lit disc"  as seen from space  and this would indicate the whole earth was in daylight at the same time and all the time 

Could FE step in explain and clear up this confusion ? I must confess that I am just one of the billions of persons who have been so " Indoctrinated and brain washed in the so-called "Round Earth Theory" of the so-called "Round Earth Conspiracy" that "Flat Earth Theory" is a little confusing at times. I could use some clarification, too. 

Don't get so cocky about yourself rounder, I got an answer as I explained above.
I don't believe everything FES tells me, all because I am a member doesn't mean I should treat every one of their teachings as dogma. And yes you haven't seen 93 million miles because most flat earthers believe in the 20,000 miles BS
"Lit disc"? Never heard that one before, and I sure dont believe that whatsoever
Also I don't believe in the Conspiracy anymore. I truly do believe scientists and all rounders have been mistaken as to the shape of the Earth

Sorry, John. I didn't mean to be offensive. Just needed clear up a few things.
Pardon the parody and paraphrasing the words of Will Rogers.:
"All I know is what I read on the Internet and that's my excuse for ignorance."

I do have a question .

Have any FE's ever been a member of any branch of the military ?

In particular are there any Navy veterans out there who are FE's ?

I would be interested in their experiences in regard to "flat"-vs-"round" earth during the service.
I never met any FE's when I was in the Navy, but there must be some out there.

Or members of civilian or military organizations connected with aviation or ocean navigation ?

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 05:56:42 PM

Minor hijack.  John, your idea of a ninety three million mile away sun shining on a flat Earth is bunk.  The sun's rays would be nearly perpendicular all over the Earth.  They're not, and unless you want to ascribe it to an entirely new, unobserved optical effect with no experimental evidence behind it, it doesn't work.  Return to your previous off topic discussion now.

Did you even read my response to Echo? Look, picture this: The sun's electromagnetic radiation that hits the Earth's ground equals 100%. 44% of this is visible light, meaning it covers about 44% of the Earth's surface is lit by visible light, while the rest lay on darkness under invisible electromagnetic radiation. This fits into the flat earth model where half lays in day

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 05:56:42 PM

Minor hijack.  John, your idea of a ninety three million mile away sun shining on a flat Earth is bunk.  The sun's rays would be nearly perpendicular all over the Earth.  They're not, and unless you want to ascribe it to an entirely new, unobserved optical effect with no experimental evidence behind it, it doesn't work.  Return to your previous off topic discussion now.

Did you even read my response to Echo? Look, picture this: The sun's electromagnetic radiation that hits the Earth's ground equals 100%. 44% of this is visible light, meaning it covers about 44% of the Earth's surface is lit by visible light, while the rest lay on darkness under invisible electromagnetic radiation. This fits into the flat earth model where half lays in day

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

Also, what you said to Echo, is that the sun only lights some of the Earth, because it has a limited amount of light to give off.  You're partially right, it does only have a limited amount of light to give off, but not in the way or for the reason you're saying.  It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 06:09:59 PM

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 05:45:03 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

That's fine. Actually light is a quite bit more complicated. The sun's light emits via electromagnetic waves, and about 44% of the sun's electromagnetic radiation that reaches the Earth's ground is in the visible light range, so what I am saying is that only roughly half of the flat earth is lit by VISIBLE light, while the rest of the light given off from the Sun is invisible. Light is a very complicated matter, scientific fact has shown it is emitted in different ranges, from visible to invisible. So light is lit all over the Earth, but only 44% of that light that hits the Earth's ground is visible. All this is caused by electromagnetic waves meeting gas molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, which also causes the sky to be blue. I'm really glad to see you are not giving in to the 20,000 miles away BS and accepting both scientific facts that the Earth is flat and the sun is 93 million miles away

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:59:02 PM

I hope im not derailing your thread jonny, if you have something closer to your OP to discuss then I could create a new one

Oh no this isnt my thread it doesn't mind me at all. Oh yeah and sorry I couldn't get you an answer earlier, I was answering other people in FES

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 05:12:30 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

Sorry , Echo4Elroy, your question hasn't come up before and I'm just as curious as you as to the FE explanation.

Also.......Sorry, Echo4Elroy but on this forum sometimes an RE'er has to step in  and explain things they have seen on this website. :

I think the official FE theory is that the sun is 3000 miles from the earth and is a spotlight that shines in a circle that shines on only a part of the earth at a time (12 hours per time zone ?)   as it orbits and shines such that it makes  an orbit of the earth in 24 hours and that is what makes the time zones.

Since the sun shines only downward, the light from the moon comes from luminescent objects or some phenomena on the moon rather than reflected light from the sun. Some other sources say that light from the moon comes from reflected light from the earth. There seems to be considerable different theories from FE.

Correct me, FE if I'm wrong in your theories. I haven't seen the 93 mllion mile distance listed previously in FE theory.

There is another thread in which the  flat earth is mentioned by FE  as a "lit disc"  as seen from space  and this would indicate the whole earth was in daylight at the same time and all the time 

Could FE step in explain and clear up this confusion ? I must confess that I am just one of the billions of persons who have been so " Indoctrinated and brain washed in the so-called "Round Earth Theory" of the so-called "Round Earth Conspiracy" that "Flat Earth Theory" is a little confusing at times. I could use some clarification, too. 

Don't get so cocky about yourself rounder, I got an answer as I explained above.
I don't believe everything FES tells me, all because I am a member doesn't mean I should treat every one of their teachings as dogma. And yes you haven't seen 93 million miles because most flat earthers believe in the 20,000 miles BS
"Lit disc"? Never heard that one before, and I sure dont believe that whatsoever
Also I don't believe in the Conspiracy anymore. I truly do believe scientists and all rounders have been mistaken as to the shape of the Earth

Sorry, John. I didn't mean to be offensive. Just needed clear up a few things.
Pardon the parody and paraphrasing the words of Will Rogers.:
"All I know is what I read on the Internet and that's my excuse for ignorance."

I don't just go around the Internet using bogus conspiracy sights for my info, I use good sources

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 06:25:45 PM

I do have a question .

Have any FE's ever been a member of any branch of the military ?

In particular are there any Navy veterans out there who are FE's ?

I would be interested in their experiences in regard to "flat"-vs-"round" earth during the service.
I never met any FE's when I was in the Navy, but there must be some out there.

Or members of civilian or military organizations connected with aviation or ocean navigation ?

I was never in the military nor am I connected to oceanic organizations

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

Also, what you said to Echo, is that the sun only lights some of the Earth, because it has a limited amount of light to give off.  You're partially right, it does only have a limited amount of light to give off, but not in the way or for the reason you're saying.  It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

Here's the diagram I promised to Echo. Maybe this can slap some sense into you

Minor hijack.  John, your idea of a ninety three million mile away sun shining on a flat Earth is bunk.  The sun's rays would be nearly perpendicular all over the Earth.  They're not, and unless you want to ascribe it to an entirely new, unobserved optical effect with no experimental evidence behind it, it doesn't work.  Should be added as well, there would have to be some way for the sun to set on only half the flat Earth, which is rather difficult to do with it being so far.  Return to your previous off topic discussion now.

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

Here is a better picture to slap some sense into you;



Lets start to break this silly idea down...

Firstly lets ask what the 44% means. It sounds to me you are rather confused over figures you have found. Now I dont confess to know the exact numbers but it sounds like you are referring to what the atmosphere lets in on a round earth model. Is there any reason why only 44% of the sun is working correctly? In your model the atmosphere is not responsible. I dont think you quite grasp the angles here.

Lets look at the moon as thats easy enough to see. The moon orbits the earth lower than the sun on your model. Can you please show how the moons phases work?

On that not can you also show a model why the seasons fluctuate? The angle of the suns rays never differ on your model.

High altitude photos show a disc of light. Im not going to go down the round earth road on this because picking apart your model is easy enough. So how do you explain those near perfect spotlights of sun in your model? Daylight calculators show that the suns spotlight is not a circle at all using either flat earth projection.

You say you have been studying FET for about a year now? I read you ideas over the last 20 mins and can see they are bunk.

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 06:29:23 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 06:09:59 PM

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 05:45:03 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

That's fine. Actually light is a quite bit more complicated. The sun's light emits via electromagnetic waves, and about 44% of the sun's electromagnetic radiation that reaches the Earth's ground is in the visible light range, so what I am saying is that only roughly half of the flat earth is lit by VISIBLE light, while the rest of the light given off from the Sun is invisible. Light is a very complicated matter, scientific fact has shown it is emitted in different ranges, from visible to invisible. So light is lit all over the Earth, but only 44% of that light that hits the Earth's ground is visible. All this is caused by electromagnetic waves meeting gas molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, which also causes the sky to be blue. I'm really glad to see you are not giving in to the 20,000 miles away BS and accepting both scientific facts that the Earth is flat and the sun is 93 million miles away

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:59:02 PM

I hope im not derailing your thread jonny, if you have something closer to your OP to discuss then I could create a new one

Oh no this isnt my thread it doesn't mind me at all. Oh yeah and sorry I couldn't get you an answer earlier, I was answering other people in FES

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 05:12:30 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

Sorry , Echo4Elroy, your question hasn't come up before and I'm just as curious as you as to the FE explanation.

Also.......Sorry, Echo4Elroy but on this forum sometimes an RE'er has to step in  and explain things they have seen on this website. :

I think the official FE theory is that the sun is 3000 miles from the earth and is a spotlight that shines in a circle that shines on only a part of the earth at a time (12 hours per time zone ?)   as it orbits and shines such that it makes  an orbit of the earth in 24 hours and that is what makes the time zones.

Since the sun shines only downward, the light from the moon comes from luminescent objects or some phenomena on the moon rather than reflected light from the sun. Some other sources say that light from the moon comes from reflected light from the earth. There seems to be considerable different theories from FE.

Correct me, FE if I'm wrong in your theories. I haven't seen the 93 mllion mile distance listed previously in FE theory.

There is another thread in which the  flat earth is mentioned by FE  as a "lit disc"  as seen from space  and this would indicate the whole earth was in daylight at the same time and all the time 

Could FE step in explain and clear up this confusion ? I must confess that I am just one of the billions of persons who have been so " Indoctrinated and brain washed in the so-called "Round Earth Theory" of the so-called "Round Earth Conspiracy" that "Flat Earth Theory" is a little confusing at times. I could use some clarification, too. 

Don't get so cocky about yourself rounder, I got an answer as I explained above.
I don't believe everything FES tells me, all because I am a member doesn't mean I should treat every one of their teachings as dogma. And yes you haven't seen 93 million miles because most flat earthers believe in the 20,000 miles BS
"Lit disc"? Never heard that one before, and I sure dont believe that whatsoever
Also I don't believe in the Conspiracy anymore. I truly do believe scientists and all rounders have been mistaken as to the shape of the Earth

Sorry, John. I didn't mean to be offensive. Just needed clear up a few things.
Pardon the parody and paraphrasing the words of Will Rogers.:
"All I know is what I read on the Internet and that's my excuse for ignorance."

I don't just go around the Internet using bogus conspiracy sights for my info, I use good sources

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 11, 2013, 06:25:45 PM

I do have a question .

Have any FE's ever been a member of any branch of the military ?

In particular are there any Navy veterans out there who are FE's ?

I would be interested in their experiences in regard to "flat"-vs-"round" earth during the service.
I never met any FE's when I was in the Navy, but there must be some out there.

Or members of civilian or military organizations connected with aviation or ocean navigation ?

I was never in the military nor am I connected to oceanic organizations

Just mentioned that in passing. If you had ever been in the Navy you would know that the FE Theory (I don't know it would even be considered a theory) :
"restoring a ship which has passed beyond the horizon with a telescope" would be easily de-bunked. It just can't be done.
PS - Waiting to hear from other Navy veterans about "the ship over the horizon."

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 07:14:26 PM

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

Also, what you said to Echo, is that the sun only lights some of the Earth, because it has a limited amount of light to give off.  You're partially right, it does only have a limited amount of light to give off, but not in the way or for the reason you're saying.  It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

Here's the diagram I promised to Echo. Maybe this can slap some sense into you

First, we're ignoring part of my original point.  That is:

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 05:56:42 PM

Minor hijack.  John, your idea of a ninety three million mile away sun shining on a flat Earth is bunk.  The sun's rays would be nearly perpendicular all over the Earth.  They're not, and unless you want to ascribe it to an entirely new, unobserved optical effect with no experimental evidence behind it, it doesn't work.  Should be added as well, there would have to be some way for the sun to set on only half the flat Earth, which is rather difficult to do with it being so far.  Return to your previous off topic discussion now.

Second:

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

And

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

John, I dont know enough about electromagnetic radiation to know if any of you are right or wrong but I would like clarification on how the day/night cycle and seasons works in your version of FE.

John, your 93 million miles thing is a step in the right direction, then a giant leap in the wrong one. On a flat Earth, this would mean the sun is ALWAYS directly above every observer. The Earth (even the flat kind) isn't that big. If north-south distances are to be believed, then it's only 40,000 miles in diameter. Even if the sun were over a part of the earth exactly opposite an observer, it'd be only 1.5 arcminutes away from directly up.

Since we see the sun setting on the horizon every night, that's clearly not possible.

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 11, 2013, 11:54:59 PM

John, your 93 million miles thing is a step in the right direction, then a giant leap in the wrong one. On a flat Earth, this would mean the sun is ALWAYS directly above every observer. The Earth (even the flat kind) isn't that big. If north-south distances are to be believed, then it's only 40,000 miles in diameter. Even if the sun were over a part of the earth exactly opposite an observer, it'd be only 1.5 arcminutes away from directly up.

Since we see the sun setting on the horizon every night, that's clearly not possible.

Read my post above

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 12, 2013, 04:03:39 PM

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 11, 2013, 11:54:59 PM

John, your 93 million miles thing is a step in the right direction, then a giant leap in the wrong one. On a flat Earth, this would mean the sun is ALWAYS directly above every observer. The Earth (even the flat kind) isn't that big. If north-south distances are to be believed, then it's only 40,000 miles in diameter. Even if the sun were over a part of the earth exactly opposite an observer, it'd be only 1.5 arcminutes away from directly up.

Since we see the sun setting on the horizon every night, that's clearly not possible.

Read my post above

What post? I read the next post you had in this thread, and saw a little diagram that in no way explains how a sun 5398.5 arcminutes above the horizon can appear to be 0 arcminutes above the horizon.

Also, even if I am wrong, I have two other alternate thoerys:

1) The sun's orbit is so far away that it only shines on half the earth and progresses around its orbit

2) The moon blocks some the sun's light over the earth, causing darkness over the area the moon is over

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 12, 2013, 04:07:46 PM

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 12, 2013, 04:03:39 PM

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 11, 2013, 11:54:59 PM

John, your 93 million miles thing is a step in the right direction, then a giant leap in the wrong one. On a flat Earth, this would mean the sun is ALWAYS directly above every observer. The Earth (even the flat kind) isn't that big. If north-south distances are to be believed, then it's only 40,000 miles in diameter. Even if the sun were over a part of the earth exactly opposite an observer, it'd be only 1.5 arcminutes away from directly up.

Since we see the sun setting on the horizon every night, that's clearly not possible.

Read my post above

What post? I read the next post you had in this thread, and saw a little diagram that in no way explains how a sun 5398.5 arcminutes above the horizon can appear to be 0 arcminutes above the horizon.

Read the post above that and study the diagram after that

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 07:29:25 PM

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 07:14:26 PM

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

Also, what you said to Echo, is that the sun only lights some of the Earth, because it has a limited amount of light to give off.  You're partially right, it does only have a limited amount of light to give off, but not in the way or for the reason you're saying.  It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

Here's the diagram I promised to Echo. Maybe this can slap some sense into you

First, we're ignoring part of my original point.  That is:

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 05:56:42 PM

Minor hijack.  John, your idea of a ninety three million mile away sun shining on a flat Earth is bunk.  The sun's rays would be nearly perpendicular all over the Earth.  They're not, and unless you want to ascribe it to an entirely new, unobserved optical effect with no experimental evidence behind it, it doesn't work.  Should be added as well, there would have to be some way for the sun to set on only half the flat Earth, which is rather difficult to do with it being so far.  Return to your previous off topic discussion now.

Second:

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

Works fine, until you actually measure how much electromagnetic radiation is hitting any given part of the Earth.  You'll notice rather quickly that most of it in every spectrum is hitting the lit part, with small amounts coming from the moon and other celestial events on the parts which aren't lit.  I don't even need to verify your numbers to tell you how wrong you are on this one.

And

Quote from: Pyrolizard on August 11, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

It's a great ball of glowing plasma caused by nuclear reaction, we have no reason to think it somehow discriminates WHERE it lets photons out on it's surface.  It illuminates in all directions more or less equally.  This is why you can see other planets in the night sky lit up by the sun, even though you're in darkness.

You are heavily misunderstanding the calculations science tells us of electromagnetic radiation on earth. Invisible light is not your traditional visible light. Light is simply electromagnetic waves, and these waves do not always have to be seen

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 12, 2013, 04:03:39 PM

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 11, 2013, 11:54:59 PM

John, your 93 million miles thing is a step in the right direction, then a giant leap in the wrong one. On a flat Earth, this would mean the sun is ALWAYS directly above every observer. The Earth (even the flat kind) isn't that big. If north-south distances are to be believed, then it's only 40,000 miles in diameter. Even if the sun were over a part of the earth exactly opposite an observer, it'd be only 1.5 arcminutes away from directly up.

Since we see the sun setting on the horizon every night, that's clearly not possible.

Read my post above

What post? I read the next post you had in this thread, and saw a little diagram that in no way explains how a sun 5398.5 arcminutes above the horizon can appear to be 0 arcminutes above the horizon.

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

That's fine. Actually light is a quite bit more complicated. The sun's light emits via electromagnetic waves, and about 44% of the sun's electromagnetic radiation that reaches the Earth's ground is in the visible light range, so what I am saying is that only roughly half of the flat earth is lit by VISIBLE light, while the rest of the light given off from the Sun is invisible. Light is a very complicated matter, scientific fact has shown it is emitted in different ranges, from visible to invisible. So light is lit all over the Earth, but only 44% of that light that hits the Earth's ground is visible. All this is caused by electromagnetic waves meeting gas molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, which also causes the sky to be blue. I'm really glad to see you are not giving in to the 20,000 miles away BS and accepting both scientific facts that the Earth is flat and the sun is 93 million miles away

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 12, 2013, 04:07:46 PM

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 12, 2013, 04:03:39 PM

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 11, 2013, 11:54:59 PM

John, your 93 million miles thing is a step in the right direction, then a giant leap in the wrong one. On a flat Earth, this would mean the sun is ALWAYS directly above every observer. The Earth (even the flat kind) isn't that big. If north-south distances are to be believed, then it's only 40,000 miles in diameter. Even if the sun were over a part of the earth exactly opposite an observer, it'd be only 1.5 arcminutes away from directly up.

Since we see the sun setting on the horizon every night, that's clearly not possible.

Read my post above

What post? I read the next post you had in this thread, and saw a little diagram that in no way explains how a sun 5398.5 arcminutes above the horizon can appear to be 0 arcminutes above the horizon.

Quote from: Excelsior John on August 11, 2013, 05:45:03 PM

Quote from: Echo4Elroy on August 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM

Sorry john, no programs or websites I know of to help. The thing I would like to better understand is how the sun can be so far away and still only light up half of a flat earth. I follow the light is not limitless,  but if it is strong enough to light and warm the Earth from such a distance then should it not light the whole world at once? Is the light directed and not emanating in 360°? I like the twist on FE theory, just looking for clarification

That's fine. Actually light is a quite bit more complicated. The sun's light emits via electromagnetic waves, and about 44% of the sun's electromagnetic radiation that reaches the Earth's ground is in the visible light range, so what I am saying is that only roughly half of the flat earth is lit by VISIBLE light, while the rest of the light given off from the Sun is invisible. Light is a very complicated matter, scientific fact has shown it is emitted in different ranges, from visible to invisible. So light is lit all over the Earth, but only 44% of that light that hits the Earth's ground is visible. All this is caused by electromagnetic waves meeting gas molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, which also causes the sky to be blue. I'm really glad to see you are not giving in to the 20,000 miles away BS and accepting both scientific facts that the Earth is flat and the sun is 93 million miles away