10 Most Important Numbers

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 04:32:37 PM »
I'm a fan of Avogadro's. A number that allows you to predict how chemical reactions will end up is just awesome.
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 04:39:33 PM »
e is clearly the best.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 04:42:35 PM »
Its æ.

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Saddam Hussein

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 04:44:27 PM »
Euler's number?  That's definitely e.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(mathematical_constant)

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 04:45:30 PM »
i think he's just saying æ is his favorite.
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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 04:46:10 PM »
If so, I apologize.  I thought he was contradicting me.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 05:30:19 PM »
69 :D
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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 12:46:36 AM »
What, no gamma?

edit: it said important not interesting.
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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 06:29:07 AM »
69 :D
I prefer 34.5. Doesn't disturb the reading of a good book.
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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 07:41:06 AM »
69 :D
I prefer 34.5. Doesn't disturb the reading of a good book.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2013, 09:01:22 AM »
No gas constant, I am disappoint.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2013, 11:47:54 AM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 11:53:42 AM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.

Are you suggesting that e is not meaningful?

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 12:33:13 PM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.
c is subject to relativity. you were correct the first time. The golden ratio is the single most important number in the universe. More so than even pi.

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Tausami

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2013, 12:37:18 PM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.
c is subject to relativity. you were correct the first time. The golden ratio is the single most important number in the universe. More so than even pi.

Exactly. c is subject to relativity such that it is the only real constant in physics. No matter what your frame of reference, c is the same.

I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.

Are you suggesting that e is not meaningful?

It's meaningful, but not inherently so.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2013, 12:46:20 PM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.
c is subject to relativity. you were correct the first time. The golden ratio is the single most important number in the universe. More so than even pi.

Exactly. c is subject to relativity such that it is the only real constant in physics. No matter what your frame of reference, c is the same.
How can c be the only real constant? Time isn't constant and c is a speed ... subject to time and I think but would need to confirm also temperature but I think that's because temperature is a variable of time. One might also argue distance is a variable regarding space bending etc but again that could be because time changes and that's used to measure large distances. Anyway c is meaningless. The golden ratio really is always the same under all conditions. That ones a keeper.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2013, 12:48:49 PM by Ævan »

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2013, 12:50:34 PM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.
c is subject to relativity. you were correct the first time. The golden ratio is the single most important number in the universe. More so than even pi.

Exactly. c is subject to relativity such that it is the only real constant in physics. No matter what your frame of reference, c is the same.
How can c be the only real constant? Time isn't constant and c is a speed ... subject to time and I think but would need to confirm also temperature but I think that's because temperature is a variable of time. One might also argue distance is a variable regarding space bending etc but again that could be because time changes and that's used to measure large distances. Anyway c is meaningless. The golden ratio really is always the same under all conditions. That ones a keeper.

That's how relativity works. Other variables, such as time and length, change in order to keep c at the same value relative to the observer. People from any two frames of reference will get different values for time, but their value for c will be exactly the same. The golden ratio isn't even always the case.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2013, 01:45:50 PM »
2 bad numbers...


1 is the loneliest number
2 can be as bad as 1,
because its the loneliest number since the number 1.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2013, 02:00:10 PM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.
c is subject to relativity. you were correct the first time. The golden ratio is the single most important number in the universe. More so than even pi.

Exactly. c is subject to relativity such that it is the only real constant in physics. No matter what your frame of reference, c is the same.
How can c be the only real constant? Time isn't constant and c is a speed ... subject to time and I think but would need to confirm also temperature but I think that's because temperature is a variable of time. One might also argue distance is a variable regarding space bending etc but again that could be because time changes and that's used to measure large distances. Anyway c is meaningless. The golden ratio really is always the same under all conditions. That ones a keeper.

That's how relativity works. Other variables, such as time and length, change in order to keep c at the same value relative to the observer. People from any two frames of reference will get different values for time, but their value for c will be exactly the same. The golden ratio isn't even always the case.
How on earth does the golden ratio ever change? Its a ratio. Not a physical quantity. It cannot change. That's why its used so extensively in nature and the physical universe.

I'm going to ignore your comments on 'c'. Its just one of those arguments where I'm right and you are wrong and I'll end up wasting lots of time providing you with sources for something that ultimately neither of us care about.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2013, 02:15:49 PM »
Tausami is correct. The speed of light never changes, no matter how much you modify other variables. The speed of light is the only true constant in the universe.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2013, 02:45:34 PM »
Tausami is correct. The speed of light never changes, no matter how much you modify other variables. The speed of light is the only true constant in the universe.

Irritating.

The SI definition of c makes certain assumptions about the laws of physics.  For example, they assume that the particle of light, the photon, is massless.  If the photon had a small rest mass, the SI definition of the metre would become meaningless because the speed of light would change as a function of its wavelength.  They could not just define it to be constant.  They would have to fix the definition of the metre by stating which colour of light was being used.

It should also be noted that the value of c is wholly dependant on Einstein's theory of relativity being correct. And that thing has been battered to bits in recent years.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-First-Test-That-Proves-General-Theory-of-Relativity-Wrong-20259.shtml

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2013, 02:47:08 PM »
The plank length, I like it because it's the smallest distance you can get within the physical universe.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2013, 02:53:23 PM »
The SI definition of c makes certain assumptions about the laws of physics.  For example, they assume that the particle of light, the photon, is massless.  If the photon had a small rest mass, the SI definition of the metre would become meaningless because the speed of light would change as a function of its wavelength.  They could not just define it to be constant.  They would have to fix the definition of the metre by stating which colour of light was being used.

It should also be noted that the value of c is wholly dependant on Einstein's theory of relativity being correct. And that thing has been battered to bits in recent years.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-First-Test-That-Proves-General-Theory-of-Relativity-Wrong-20259.shtml

Fascinating. An entire post that refutes absolutely nothing in mine, yet appears to try so very hard to do so.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2013, 02:53:45 PM »
I like the golden ratio, (1+5^(1/2))/2.

But the most important number has to be c, because it's the only one that's inherently meaningful.
c is subject to relativity. you were correct the first time. The golden ratio is the single most important number in the universe. More so than even pi.

Exactly. c is subject to relativity such that it is the only real constant in physics. No matter what your frame of reference, c is the same.
How can c be the only real constant? Time isn't constant and c is a speed ... subject to time and I think but would need to confirm also temperature but I think that's because temperature is a variable of time. One might also argue distance is a variable regarding space bending etc but again that could be because time changes and that's used to measure large distances. Anyway c is meaningless. The golden ratio really is always the same under all conditions. That ones a keeper.

That's how relativity works. Other variables, such as time and length, change in order to keep c at the same value relative to the observer. People from any two frames of reference will get different values for time, but their value for c will be exactly the same. The golden ratio isn't even always the case.
How on earth does the golden ratio ever change? Its a ratio. Not a physical quantity. It cannot change. That's why its used so extensively in nature and the physical universe.

I'm going to ignore your comments on 'c'. Its just one of those arguments where I'm right and you are wrong and I'll end up wasting lots of time providing you with sources for something that ultimately neither of us care about.

I'm going to ignore your ignorance of special relativity, because you're obviously Thork and I'm not getting involved in an argument with you.

Anyway, it's not that the golden ratio changes, it's that it's not always accurate. Due to various reasons it can be replaced by Lucas numbers or even whole numbers in certain situations.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2013, 03:15:17 PM »
I'm going to ignore your ignorance of special relativity


http://www.finaltheories.com/structure%20and%20composition/special%20relativity/SR%20is%20wrong.html
How cute.
Added: I guess I will add something worthwhile. The author of that website seems to forget that to get a moving inertial frame of reference then reference had to be non inertial at some point. This ultimately decides who is in the actual moving F.O.R. For instance the stuff under "According to Relativity, the Length contractions become equal in two inertial systems with a relative velocity v" is correct in that each FOR sees the other as length contracted. But one of the FOR did accelerate, and thus is the true FOR that is contracted. Not quite sure why the author is stuck.
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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2013, 05:19:49 PM »
No gas constant, I am disappoint.

I am still upset about this.

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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2013, 01:25:09 AM »

Anyway, it's not that the golden ratio changes, it's that it's not always accurate. Due to various reasons it can be replaced by Lucas numbers or even whole numbers in certain situations.

The golden ratio is always accurate given that it is the positive solution of the equation x2-x+1=0. That solution never changes. It cannot be replaced by whole numbers or the ratios of whole numbers because it is irrational. Approximated yes, replaced no.

Edit: the equation should be x2-x-1=0.
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Re: 10 Most Important Numbers
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2013, 01:36:46 AM »
69 :D
I prefer 34.5. Doesn't disturb the reading of a good book.

How the hell do you concentrate?
Years of dedicated practice.
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