Experiment in space

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2013, 07:29:17 AM »
No...
If I see the Astronauts get locked into their rocket and all exits are taken away, so I know they are really taking off, then I watch that rocket go into low earth orbit , then that will be enough for me to believe it all.

Why is the astronaut's presence a necessity? If you grab a telescope to see the international space station in orbit, does it make any difference if people are inside it or not?
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2013, 07:58:16 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2013, 08:00:17 AM »
No...
If I see the Astronauts get locked into their rocket and all exits are taken away, so I know they are really taking off, then I watch that rocket go into low earth orbit , then that will be enough for me to believe it all.

Why is the astronaut's presence a necessity? If you grab a telescope to see the international space station in orbit, does it make any difference if people are inside it or not?
The Astronauts presence is paramount, because then I can see these so called brave souls actually go into space and once I knew they were strapped in and into low earth orbit, I can then say I was absolutely wrong.
I think I have about as much chance of seeing this happen as Santa teaming up with Superman and raining presents down onto the world.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2013, 08:01:35 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2013, 08:04:16 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.

You should apply for NASA, give us the inside scoop.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2013, 08:09:30 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2013, 08:16:00 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2013, 08:21:31 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.

Then go watch a launch.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2013, 08:24:00 AM »
The Astronauts presence is paramount, because then I can see these so called brave souls actually go into space and once I knew they were strapped in and into low earth orbit, I can then say I was absolutely wrong.
I think I have about as much chance of seeing this happen as Santa teaming up with Superman and raining presents down onto the world.

So without the astronauts, the space shuttle itself will never convince you that the Earth is round? A shuttle with an empty payload going into orbit doesn't prove this to you unless astronauts are in them? What the actual fuck? Please explain.

To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.

You're forgetting about gravity and the spinning Earth. To climb up a mountain, would you go directly up the face of the mountain, or would you go along the longer but less steep pathway that circles around it? This concept is even more accentuated by the fact that with no air resistance in orbit, it takes no energy for the shuttle to go around, unlike a person walking along the path.
Also, the fact that the Earth spins needs to be considered too, but explaining it doesn't work with this analogy.
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2013, 08:24:27 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.

Then go watch a launch.
And how close would I get to that?

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2013, 08:28:19 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.

Then go watch a launch.
And how close would I get to that?

Close enough to use a telescope.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2013, 08:32:27 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.

Then go watch a launch.
And how close would I get to that?

Close enough to use a telescope.
And what would I see?

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2013, 10:23:35 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.

Then go watch a launch.
And how close would I get to that?

Close enough to use a telescope.
And what would I see?

A launch.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2013, 10:40:37 AM »
You had plenty of chances to watch astronauts in the space shuttle "actually blast off, knowing they were inside the rocket and I would be watching them go into low earth orbit", yet you claim that's all fake.  How would a moon shot be any different?
How can I watch Astronauts go into a shuttle and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can I watch anything go into low earth orbit, when all I ever see of rockets and shuttle is arcing a minute after lift off...why are they arcing like this?

It's because they don't go into space, they go into the ocean.
How can you watch Astronauts go into a moon rocket and know they are actually inside on take off?
How can you watch anything go to the moon, when all you ever see of rockets is arcing a minute after lift off...

Again, what's different about a moon launch and a shuttle launch?  Except for their destination, the launches are exactly the same.  In fact, moon launches go into earth orbit (which is the reason for the arcing a few seconds after lift off) before they go to the moon.  So, why would you believe one but not the other?
To get off a globe, the last thing you would do is arc, think about it.
*sigh*  The rockets do not do a 90 degree arc right after lift off.  In order to achieve orbit, a rocket must gain both vertical distance and horizontal speed.  If you go in a big enough arc, you can get both.

Now stop changing the subject and answer my question: why would you believe a moon launch but not a shuttle launch when the launches are exactly the same?
I'd believe both, as long I could see the Astronauts get into them with no way out and blast off into low earth orbit, witnessed by me fully.

Then go watch a launch.
And how close would I get to that?

Close enough to use a telescope.
And what would I see?

A launch.
Would I be able to see the tiny little Astroliars sneaking out of the launch pad?

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2013, 10:41:34 AM »
No, they would be in the ship getting ready to take off. What an odd question.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2013, 10:44:30 AM »
No, they would be in the ship getting ready to take off. What an odd question.
Would I be able to observe these little Astroliars getting into the ship from that distance with my telescope and could I be sure they don't sneak out through another exit?

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2013, 10:48:35 AM »
Who is piloting the ship in to space then?  Duh... And what's an astroliar?  It does not show up in auto-correct.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2013, 10:50:08 AM »
Who is piloting the ship in to space then?  Duh... And what's an astroliar?  It does not show up in auto-correct.
It's just my pet names for fake Astronauts.
I don't think you need pilots for ballistic missiles.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2013, 10:51:26 AM »
They aren't piloting ballistic missiles. Why would you think that?  Space Shuttles do not look like ballistic missiles at all.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2013, 10:53:52 AM »
They aren't piloting ballistic missiles. Why would you think that?  Space Shuttles do not look like ballistic missiles at all.
The space shuttle is just made of light composites and the big rusty looking tank is basically foam covered frame work.
Only the two ballistic missiles either side are real.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2013, 10:56:36 AM »
Why are astronauts going in to space in fake shuttles? That would kill them.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2013, 10:59:27 AM »
Why are astronauts going in to space in fake shuttles? That would kill them.
Of course it would. That's why there are no such people as Astronauts, just people in suits pretending to be them.
The shuttle doesn't go into space and neither does anything else.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2013, 11:00:44 AM »
If no one has been is space how do we confirm that one person has not been to space?  Maybe one went.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2013, 11:10:50 AM »
If no one has been is space how do we confirm that one person has not been to space?  Maybe one went.
You can confirm it by using your common sense and taking a critical look at what they spew out. Maybe you are too far gone for that, I don't know...but maybe there is some spark in you that tells you to at least look at it all from another angle.
Don't do it with your mindset as it is though as you will never see anything untoward. Do it secretly and keep your findings to yourself if you don't want to accept that maybe you have just believed everything unconditionally and feel let down that things aren't what you believed them to be.

Try it or just stick with how you are, either way is fine by me.

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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2013, 11:23:51 AM »
Been there done that. This kool-aid is better. Did it with 9/11, did it with moon-landings.
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« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2013, 03:37:22 PM »
What was the aim of that experiment?

What would have been better, for those experiments, would be to examine the non-linear nature of the system. i.e. look at the bifurcations and establish the stability points. As it stands the experiment looks like something an A-level student would do.

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« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2013, 03:54:35 PM »
Maybe they did?  I doubt they encapsulated everything in the short video.
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Re: Experiment in space
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2013, 04:05:39 PM »
I prefer this one.
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Don Petit NASA bubbles video

That is awesome. I mean literally. Also I wouldn't have thought surface tension would be so strong as to allow the water droplets to bounce around like that. Just beautiful.

Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?

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« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2013, 04:19:07 PM »
I think they filmed this on the space station or in one of those zero gravity planes or something.  ;)

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Abyss scene

How long do you suppose it took to create those effects for the movie? Weeks? Months?

Now how many of those videos do you suppose NASA produces in a DAY during a mission? In far greater detail than what you posted? NASA's budget may be big, but seriously? Is such a feat even technically possible? It would be easier and cheaper to film it - IN SPACE!
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