Why can't space travel exist on FE?

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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2013, 06:39:58 PM »
Google sure seems to think that the midnight sun is visible in Tasmania.



First of all, that isn't Google.  She is a blogger for company that sets up corporate retreats.  Secondly, she thinks that the midnight sun can be seen in Australia, so I wouldn't trust her with my vacation plans.
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« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2013, 01:31:06 PM »
So, for the sake of clarity on this, navigating by that map would be more precise than navigating using the globe model?

This map is the most accurate we have to date.

You've answered a different question. Is navigation by that map more precise than navigation using the globe model?

You've stated that the map you've linked to is the most accurate we have to date. Please, answer this question: is navigation based on that map more precise, more accurate than navigation using the globe model?

It's hard to say. There is no way to verify the globe model. You guys have presented no data and can name not one person who has measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator. It's a recurring theme around here.

I haven't said anything about New Zealand, the Equator, nor have I mentioned any distances.

You've stated that your map model is the most accurate we have. You've stated that it can be used for navigation. Globes and map projections based on globes are also used for navigation. I'll try this again:

Is navigation based on your map more accurate than navigation based on a globe or a map projection of a globe?

A) Yes, it is.
B) No, it isn't.
C) I don't know, because [...]

Quit C, start a poll!

Nah... I'd settle for an answer, from mr. Bishop, to that question. An answer that starts with Yes, No, or I don't know.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2013, 02:08:04 PM »
So, for the sake of clarity on this, navigating by that map would be more precise than navigating using the globe model?

This map is the most accurate we have to date.

You've answered a different question. Is navigation by that map more precise than navigation using the globe model?

You've stated that the map you've linked to is the most accurate we have to date. Please, answer this question: is navigation based on that map more precise, more accurate than navigation using the globe model?

It's hard to say. There is no way to verify the globe model. You guys have presented no data and can name not one person who has measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator. It's a recurring theme around here.

I haven't said anything about New Zealand, the Equator, nor have I mentioned any distances.

You've stated that your map model is the most accurate we have. You've stated that it can be used for navigation. Globes and map projections based on globes are also used for navigation. I'll try this again:

Is navigation based on your map more accurate than navigation based on a globe or a map projection of a globe?

A) Yes, it is.
B) No, it isn't.
C) I don't know, because [...]

As I said, the distances on the globe are unverified. For example, no one here can seem to tell me who measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2013, 02:09:14 PM »
Nah... I'd settle for an answer, from mr. Bishop, to that question. An answer that starts with Yes, No, or I don't know.

Provide me a source with all of the distance log data and I'll tell you which is the most accurate.

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« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2013, 02:22:44 PM »
This map is the most accurate we have to date.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

Thanks.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2013, 02:35:02 PM »
I don't see the relevance. Those quotes are talking about two different subjects.

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« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2013, 03:07:41 PM »
I don't see the relevance. Those quotes are talking about two different subjects.

Of course you don't  ;D

So, for the sake of clarity on this, navigating by that map would be more precise than navigating using the globe model?

This map is the most accurate we have to date.

I haven't said anything about New Zealand, the Equator, nor have I mentioned any distances.

You've stated that your map model is the most accurate we have. You've stated that it can be used for navigation. Globes and map projections based on globes are also used for navigation. I'll try this again:

Is navigation based on your map more accurate than navigation based on a globe or a map projection of a globe?

A) Yes, it is.
B) No, it isn't.
C) I don't know, because [...]

As I said, the distances on the globe are unverified. For example, no one here can seem to tell me who measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

Bolding added for emphasis.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2013, 03:22:28 PM »
I don't see the relevance. Those quotes are talking about two different subjects.

Of course you don't  ;D

So, for the sake of clarity on this, navigating by that map would be more precise than navigating using the globe model?

This map is the most accurate we have to date.

I haven't said anything about New Zealand, the Equator, nor have I mentioned any distances.

You've stated that your map model is the most accurate we have. You've stated that it can be used for navigation. Globes and map projections based on globes are also used for navigation. I'll try this again:

Is navigation based on your map more accurate than navigation based on a globe or a map projection of a globe?

A) Yes, it is.
B) No, it isn't.
C) I don't know, because [...]

As I said, the distances on the globe are unverified. For example, no one here can seem to tell me who measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

Bolding added for emphasis.

I guess he meant the most accurate flat earth map we have. Could that be? We meaning FEs, not earthlings. Come on, why does nobody tell him the distance between New Zealand and the equator?

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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #68 on: March 28, 2013, 04:29:11 PM »
I don't see the relevance. Those quotes are talking about two different subjects.

Of course you don't  ;D

So, for the sake of clarity on this, navigating by that map would be more precise than navigating using the globe model?

This map is the most accurate we have to date.

I haven't said anything about New Zealand, the Equator, nor have I mentioned any distances.

You've stated that your map model is the most accurate we have. You've stated that it can be used for navigation. Globes and map projections based on globes are also used for navigation. I'll try this again:

Is navigation based on your map more accurate than navigation based on a globe or a map projection of a globe?

A) Yes, it is.
B) No, it isn't.
C) I don't know, because [...]

As I said, the distances on the globe are unverified. For example, no one here can seem to tell me who measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

Bolding added for emphasis.

Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #69 on: March 28, 2013, 04:52:34 PM »
I don't see the relevance. Those quotes are talking about two different subjects.

Of course you don't  ;D

So, for the sake of clarity on this, navigating by that map would be more precise than navigating using the globe model?

This map is the most accurate we have to date.

I haven't said anything about New Zealand, the Equator, nor have I mentioned any distances.

You've stated that your map model is the most accurate we have. You've stated that it can be used for navigation. Globes and map projections based on globes are also used for navigation. I'll try this again:

Is navigation based on your map more accurate than navigation based on a globe or a map projection of a globe?

A) Yes, it is.
B) No, it isn't.
C) I don't know, because [...]

As I said, the distances on the globe are unverified. For example, no one here can seem to tell me who measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

Bolding added for emphasis.

Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.

Sorry, bad work! You didn't provide a source, if you would, you couldn't prove that its more reliable than Anne Thornley-Brown, you have no chance at all!! Tom Bishop wins again (maybe; I haven't yet grasped the full rules of the game)

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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2013, 07:05:31 PM »
Tom, I am disappointed in your attitude and the level of maturity you show in your responses. I've talked a lot of BS on this forum but at least my snake oil is clearly labeled as such.

Your attempted proof of the midnight sun in Tasmania was childlike, although I am not sure if it was an attempt at disproving my readily verifiable suggestion that Tasmania is significantly north of the antarctic circle or simply an attempt to derail the topic altogether. The quality of your responses have highlighted your derisive tactics and possibly fundamental flaws in your school of thought. Perhaps this is telling. I'll stop my inquiry with you and let it rest at that.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2013, 08:29:01 PM »
As I said, the distances on the globe are unverified. For example, no one here can seem to tell me who measured the distance between New Zealand and the equator.

If you guys can't tell me what the distance is how can I tell you which map is the most accurate?

Do you want to know something interesting about globes, Tom?  If you know the latitude and longitude coordinates of various locations, you don't need to measure the distance between them because you can accurately calculate those distances.  For example, North Cape, New Zealand is at a latitude of about 34 degrees south.  At a rate of 60 nautical miles per degree, this means that North Cape should be about 2040 nautical miles south of the equator.
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« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2013, 08:44:44 PM »
I did this just for fun. The thread seemed to not be going anywhere as it is.

The Sydney to Los Angeles airline route is quite well known. An aircraft departing from Sydney flies NE, S of New Caledonia, close to Fiji, N of Christmas Island (Line Islands), SE of Hawaii and on towards Los Angeles.

On a Mercator projection map, the flight path looks like this:

Nothing too interesting. That's how flight paths projected onto a flat map usually look.

On a globe, if you draw a straight line from Sydney to Los Angeles, you get this:

It's not very accurate to do it on a flat image of a round globe, but nevertheless the line pretty much follows the flight path described above.

I've tried plotting the same path on a distinct continent FE map. The most accurate map of Earth we have.

I believe I've correctly located Fiji and Hawaii (two major island chains, easily found on any map of the Pacific). Christmas Island or Kiritimati, another point roughly around the route was more difficult to place on the map, the map being relatively low-res. However it should be somewhere in the left circle. It's (supposedly) a bit N of the equator, at 157 degrees W.

The funny thing is that the Gilbert Islands are located on the other side of the Earth, straddling the equator at (supposedly) 173 degrees E. Why is this funny? Because the Gilbert Islands and Kiritimati are both part of the Republic of Kiribati. Conventional geography indicates the two are supposed to be about 3000km apart. You'd imagine the Kiribatian government would notice their islands are actually on opposite sides of the Earth.


While I'm at it, here's another thing. Air Pacific operates flights from Honolulu to Kiritimati using Boeing 737 aircraft. They claim the distance is 2151km and the flight time is 2hrs 58mins. This fits rather nicely with a 737's maximum cruising speed of around 800km/h (it depends on variant). Just looking at the distinct continent FE map, the distance from Honolulu, Hawaii to Kiritimati should be much greater than the 2151km claim; it should be about the same distance as Los Angeles to Paris. A distance no 737 can can cover in 3 hours. But I digress.

Anyone is welcome to better plot the route aircraft take from Sydney to LAX, particularly if they have access to a higher res version of the map, with all Pacific Islands clearly marked. Still, I believe the gist of it won't change. These pilots and navigators flying the Sydney to LAX route must be morons. The airlines must be run by morons too. No pilot, no airline has noticed they're flying in a big loop around the edge of the Earth. No one has noticed that it's much shorter to fly from Sydney towards Africa, across the Atlantic, over North America and to Los Angeles. Despite using inertial navigation, radio beacons and other instruments which would show they're practically flying a half-circle.

Or they do know, but they choose to rip-off their passengers by overcharging them for the wasted fuel and time. And no one has ever spoken about this. Not even a laid off airline employee with a grudge against his former employer. This is big, someone should alert the media!  ;D
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2013, 09:37:19 PM »
lol
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2013, 05:39:23 AM »
Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.

Who measured that?

Tom, I am disappointed in your attitude and the level of maturity you show in your responses. I've talked a lot of BS on this forum but at least my snake oil is clearly labeled as such.

Your attempted proof of the midnight sun in Tasmania was childlike, although I am not sure if it was an attempt at disproving my readily verifiable suggestion that Tasmania is significantly north of the antarctic circle or simply an attempt to derail the topic altogether. The quality of your responses have highlighted your derisive tactics and possibly fundamental flaws in your school of thought. Perhaps this is telling. I'll stop my inquiry with you and let it rest at that.

You still have not presented evidence that Tasmania does not receive a Midnight Sun, or what exactly is seen from Tasmania during this time. Even if Tasmania is a bit outside  of the zone where the Midnight sun appears, since it's relatively near the Antarcic circle it would still receive extremely long days during the Antarctic summer, perhaps receiving 22 hour days and 2 hours of darkness, and therefore seeing the sun most of the time in your scenario.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2013, 06:17:14 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2013, 05:49:25 AM »


I believe I've correctly located Fiji and Hawaii (two major island chains, easily found on any map of the Pacific). Christmas Island or Kiritimati, another point roughly around the route was more difficult to place on the map, the map being relatively low-res. However it should be somewhere in the left circle. It's (supposedly) a bit N of the equator, at 157 degrees W.

The funny thing is that the Gilbert Islands are located on the other side of the Earth, straddling the equator at (supposedly) 173 degrees E. Why is this funny? Because the Gilbert Islands and Kiritimati are both part of the Republic of Kiribati. Conventional geography indicates the two are supposed to be about 3000km apart. You'd imagine the Kiribatian government would notice their islands are actually on opposite sides of the Earth.


While I'm at it, here's another thing. Air Pacific operates flights from Honolulu to Kiritimati using Boeing 737 aircraft. They claim the distance is 2151km and the flight time is 2hrs 58mins. This fits rather nicely with a 737's maximum cruising speed of around 800km/h (it depends on variant). Just looking at the distinct continent FE map, the distance from Honolulu, Hawaii to Kiritimati should be much greater than the 2151km claim; it should be about the same distance as Los Angeles to Paris. A distance no 737 can can cover in 3 hours. But I digress.

Anyone is welcome to better plot the route aircraft take from Sydney to LAX, particularly if they have access to a higher res version of the map, with all Pacific Islands clearly marked. Still, I believe the gist of it won't change. These pilots and navigators flying the Sydney to LAX route must be morons. The airlines must be run by morons too. No pilot, no airline has noticed they're flying in a big loop around the edge of the Earth. No one has noticed that it's much shorter to fly from Sydney towards Africa, across the Atlantic, over North America and to Los Angeles. Despite using inertial navigation, radio beacons and other instruments which would show they're practically flying a half-circle.

Or they do know, but they choose to rip-off their passengers by overcharging them for the wasted fuel and time. And no one has ever spoken about this. Not even a laid off airline employee with a grudge against his former employer. This is big, someone should alert the media!  ;D

Most of those long intercontinental flights don't take direct routes like that. They jump around from continent to continent making layovers, receiving and dropping off passengers along the way.

There are very few direct flights between those areas, and I wouldn't be surprised if the arrival time was always delayed.
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« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2013, 06:12:10 AM »
Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.

Who measured that?

Tom, I am disappointed in your attitude and the level of maturity you show in your responses. I've talked a lot of BS on this forum but at least my snake oil is clearly labeled as such.

Your attempted proof of the midnight sun in Tasmania was childlike, although I am not sure if it was an attempt at disproving my readily verifiable suggestion that Tasmania is significantly north of the antarctic circle or simply an attempt to derail the topic altogether. The quality of your responses have highlighted your derisive tactics and possibly fundamental flaws in your school of thought. Perhaps this is telling. I'll stop my inquiry with you and let it rest at that.

You still have not presented evidence that Tasmania does not receive a Midnight Sun, or what exactly is seen from Tasmania during this time. Even if Tasmania is a bit outside  of the zone where the Midnight sun appears, since it's relatively near the Antarcic circle it would still receive extremely long days during the Antarctic summer, perhaps receiving 22 hour days and 2 hours of darkness, and therefore seeing the sun most of the time in your scenario.

Well the system of latitude and longitude in its current form is well over a hundred years old and covered by ISO 19111. Flights every day confirm the accuracy of this system by arriving at their locations. Any flight crossing the equator and landing in Auckland can confirm this.

I did provide evidence of Tasmania not receiving midnight sun. You are choosing to ignore it. I provided a link with annotations, describing how the midnight sun occurs south of the Antarctic Circle and north of the Arctic Circle. And Tasmania is in neither of those geographic positions.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2013, 06:12:54 AM »
Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.

Who measured that?

Who measured what?  Please be specific.
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« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2013, 06:21:26 AM »
Well the system of latitude and longitude in its current form is well over a hundred years old and covered by ISO 19111. Flights every day confirm the accuracy of this system by arriving at their locations. Any flight crossing the equator and landing in Auckland can confirm this.

Please show us the flight logs to support your hypothesis that all flights everywhere show a globe earth model, and that some of these flights do not experience delays, as is familiar to anyone who has had to sleep in an airport terminal waiting for an international flight.

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I did provide evidence of Tasmania not receiving midnight sun. You are choosing to ignore it. I provided a link with annotations, describing how the midnight sun occurs south of the Antarctic Circle and north of the Arctic Circle. And Tasmania is in neither of those geographic positions.

You did not provide evidence that Tasmania never sees the sun at midnight.

I believe the blog author is correct, and it is possible to see the sun at midnight in Tasmania. However, it may dip into the horizon for one or two hours before or after midnight, due to the inaccuracy of daylight saving time over time in relation to the position of the sun.

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« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2013, 06:22:39 AM »
Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.

Who measured that?

Who measured what?  Please be specific.

I would suggest reading what was quoted. Who measured the round earth map distance between New Zealand and the equator?
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« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2013, 06:32:51 AM »
Auckland lies at 36.85 degrees S. each degree is roughly 111kms. Auckland, New Zealand is approximately 4090.35 kms south of the Equator.

Who measured that?

Who measured what?  Please be specific.

I would suggest reading what was quoted. Who measured the round earth map distance between New Zealand and the equator?

There were several figures in that quote.  I wasn't sure if you were questioning the measurement of a degree of latitude, the latitude of Auckland or the distance between Auckland and the equator.
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« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2013, 06:35:40 AM »
Well the system of latitude and longitude in its current form is well over a hundred years old and covered by ISO 19111. Flights every day confirm the accuracy of this system by arriving at their locations. Any flight crossing the equator and landing in Auckland can confirm this.

Please show us the flight logs to support your hypothesis that all flights everywhere show a globe earth model, and that some of these flights do not experience delays, as is familiar to anyone who has had to sleep in an airport terminal waiting for an international flight.

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I did provide evidence of Tasmania not receiving midnight sun. You are choosing to ignore it. I provided a link with annotations, describing how the midnight sun occurs south of the Antarctic Circle and north of the Arctic Circle. And Tasmania is in neither of those geographic positions.

You did not provide evidence that Tasmania never sees the sun at midnight.

I believe the blog author is correct, and it is possible to see the sun at midnight in Tasmania. However, it may dip into the horizon for one or two hours before or after midnight, due to the inaccuracy of daylight saving time over time in relation to the position of the sun.

So you did not even read the blog?

"Unfortunately, there are no populated areas near the Antarctic circle where the sun is visible 24 hours a day"

She is suggesting Antarctic cruises to see the midnight sun in the Southern Hemisphere.

On your view every direct flight from LAX must experience substantial delays for your model to be accurate not some all. I will see about finding evidence of one on-time flight to render your hypothesis false.
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« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2013, 06:40:17 AM »
So you did not even read the blog?

"Unfortunately, there are no populated areas near the Antarctic circle where the sun is visible 24 hours a day"

She is suggesting Antarctic cruises to see the midnight sun in the Southern Hemisphere.

How does that sentence imply that it's impossible to view the sun at midnight in Tasmania?

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On your view every direct flight from LAX must experience substantial delays for your model to be accurate not some all. I will see about finding evidence of one on-time flight to render your hypothesis false.

There are very few direct flights. Please do some research.

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« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2013, 06:42:20 AM »
For more entertainment value.

American Airlines Flight 7363:
- is a non-stop flight from Sydney to Los Angeles. It does not hop from here to there dropping off passengers.
- the straight line distance from Sydney Int. to LAX, calculated based on globe coordinates, is roughly 12,100km.
- the flight takes 13 hrs 40 mins
- the flight uses an Airbus A380, an aircraft with a maximum cruising speed of roughly 945 km/h.

The cruising speed, distance and flight time match up nicely. So they're not lying to us about the distance and they're not flying in a big loop. Damn. And I thought I was onto some big Airline Conspiracy.  ;D
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« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2013, 06:44:55 AM »
For more entertainment value.

American Airlines Flight 7363:
- is a non-stop flight from Sydney to Los Angeles. It does not hop from here to there dropping off passengers.
- the straight line distance from Sydney Int. to LAX, calculated based on globe coordinates, is roughly 12,100km.
- the flight takes 13 hrs 40 mins
- the flight uses an Airbus A380, an aircraft with a maximum cruising speed of roughly 945 km/h.

The cruising speed, distance and flight time match up nicely. So they're not lying to us about the distance and they're not flying in a big loop. Damn. And I thought I was onto some big Airline Conspiracy.  ;D

Again, please show us the flight logs. An airline website advertisement is not a legitimate source. We need to see the actual delays experienced.

I know many people who have had to sleep overnight in an airport due to delayed flights.

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« Reply #85 on: March 29, 2013, 06:49:04 AM »
For more entertainment value.

American Airlines Flight 7363:
- is a non-stop flight from Sydney to Los Angeles. It does not hop from here to there dropping off passengers.
- the straight line distance from Sydney Int. to LAX, calculated based on globe coordinates, is roughly 12,100km.
- the flight takes 13 hrs 40 mins
- the flight uses an Airbus A380, an aircraft with a maximum cruising speed of roughly 945 km/h.

The cruising speed, distance and flight time match up nicely. So they're not lying to us about the distance and they're not flying in a big loop. Damn. And I thought I was onto some big Airline Conspiracy.  ;D

Again, please show us the flight logs. An airline website advertisement is not a legitimate source. We need to see the actual delays experienced.

I know many people who have had to sleep overnight in an airport due to delayed flights.

Chillax, Tom Bishop. I'm not arguing with you anymore. I decided it was pointless. So I just presented a few things, as I've said, for "funsies"  ;D

Everyone can use their own brain to judge if those few things make any sense or not.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2013, 07:01:03 AM »
So you did not even read the blog?

"Unfortunately, there are no populated areas near the Antarctic circle where the sun is visible 24 hours a day"

She is suggesting Antarctic cruises to see the midnight sun in the Southern Hemisphere.

How does that sentence imply that it's impossible to view the sun at midnight in Tasmania?

Tasmania is a populated area.

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On your view every direct flight from LAX must experience substantial delays for your model to be accurate not some all. I will see about finding evidence of one on-time flight to render your hypothesis false.

There are very few direct flights. Please do some research.

Air Canada flight AC2133 from Honolulu to Sydney direct left 15 minutes late and is scheduled to land 40 minutes late, making its aggregate flight length 25 minutes longer or 8hrs 20 minutes total. On a straight line route from Honolulu to Sydney on your map, which would cross North America and Europe, I would conservatively estimate it crosses 70% of the Earth's circumference (if you provide a scale for your map, I will happily provide a more accurate number), making this a 28,000km flight yielding an average velocity of approximately 3,300km/h.

I will update you with the landing time.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2013, 07:04:42 AM »
You still have not presented evidence that Tasmania does not receive a Midnight Sun

First of all, I shouldn't have to, because I, like the millions of others who live in Australia know that Australian states do not experience the midnight sun. This should be enough to place the onus on you in any reasonable conversation. Since this is not a reasonable conversation, here is a picture of the antarctic circle, drawn on a world map. The antarctic circle is at 66 degrees south of the equator, and defines the point south of which a midnight sun is seen. If you are not familiar with this, here is the wikipedia article on the midnight sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun it corroborates what I have just said. Tasmania is at Tasmania just over 40 degrees south of the equator (http://www.distancesfrom.com/au/tasmania-latitude-longitude-tasmania-latitude-tasmania-longitude/LatLongHistory/389166.aspx). Since 40 degrees is less than 66 degrees, we can state that Tasmania is outside the antarctic circle.

...or what exactly is seen from Tasmania during this time

The midnight sun can be see as far as 100km north of the antarctic circle. Tasmania is 2000km north of the antarctic circle. The sun sets there in summer. Here is a photo of Tasmania, at night, during the summer solstice. Here is a video of a Tasmanian sunset during the summer solstice, clearly showing a descent of the sun at an angle of about 20-something degrees, as would be expected of a location 20-something degrees north of the antarctic circle during the southern summer solstice.

Even if Tasmania is a bit outside  of the zone where the Midnight sun appears, since it's relatively near the Antarcic circle it would still receive extremely long days during the Antarctic summer, perhaps receiving 22 hour days and 2 hours of darkness, and therefore seeing the sun most of the time in your scenario.

No. 2000km is not close. It is very far. The longest day in Tasmania is not 22 hours, it is just over 15 hours. At this point I'd like to propose that we drop this conversation and just conclude that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, make this stuff up as you go, and simply don't know how to answer my question and are therefore trying to derail it with these ridiculous statements and burdens of proof you keep placing on me.

Speaking with you about this topic has been extremely painful. I do not believe you understand these topics at all. You do not convey any understanding and your reasoning skills appear to be either deliberately rigid or unintentionally hindered.
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2013, 07:08:16 AM »
More fun facts about American Airlines Flight 7363: this flight has an on-time performance of 73%. The rest of the time it is, obviously, not on-time. This flight has an average delay of 49 minutes with a standard deviation of 60.26 minutes. On a 12000km flight, that's about 5 minutes per 1000km.

What causes delays other than, you know - we're flying in big loops through the air? Things like aircraft maintenance problems, crew problems, aircraft cleaning, baggage loading, fueling, extreme weather, glitches in airline schedules, congestion in air traffic, late arrival of the aircraft to be used for the flight from a previous flight, security issues.

Obviously that and OMG, we can't navigate for s***!
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Re: Why can't space travel exist on FE?
« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2013, 07:18:42 AM »
So you did not even read the blog?

"Unfortunately, there are no populated areas near the Antarctic circle where the sun is visible 24 hours a day"

She is suggesting Antarctic cruises to see the midnight sun in the Southern Hemisphere.

How does that sentence imply that it's impossible to view the sun at midnight in Tasmania?

Tasmania is a populated area.

It is possible to see the sun at midnight, yet not have the sun be visible for 24 hours of the day.

You still have not presented evidence that Tasmania does not receive a Midnight Sun

First of all, I shouldn't have to, because I, like the millions of others who live in Australia know that Australian states do not experience the midnight sun. This should be enough to place the onus on you in any reasonable conversation. Since this is not a reasonable conversation, here is a picture of the antarctic circle, drawn on a world map. The antarctic circle is at 66 degrees south of the equator, and defines the point south of which a midnight sun is seen. If you are not familiar with this, here is the wikipedia article on the midnight sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun it corroborates what I have just said. Tasmania is at Tasmania just over 40 degrees south of the equator (http://www.distancesfrom.com/au/tasmania-latitude-longitude-tasmania-latitude-tasmania-longitude/LatLongHistory/389166.aspx). Since 40 degrees is less than 66 degrees, we can state that Tasmania is outside the antarctic circle.

The sun does not have to be visible for 24 hours straight to see the sun at midnight. Daylight savings time does not correlate 12pm with the sun directly overhead and 12am with the sun directly opposite.