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1st humans to visit mars.
« on: March 01, 2013, 04:00:59 AM »
im surprised this hasn't be brought up yet so im going to go for it.

Dennis Tito has founded a non profit organisation with the goal of using a rare planetary alignment to achieve the goal of sending to humans on a fly by of mars and return them again by 2018. by doing this they will become the 1st private company to achieve something in space a government agency is unable to as well as sending humans many times further from the earth than any has gone before.

no straight away im going to assume FErs will say well its all fake and will be filmed in a film studio with a green screen. BUT Dennis Tito is funding this project for 2 years entirety by himself. putting i believe 66 million dollars of his own money into the project. and hoping to secure private financing to the tune of 1 billion dollars through private sponsorship TV rights and access to any scientific data compiled. he also say they do not need any help from NASA or any other government organisation.



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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23215-first-private-mars-mission-aims-to-launch-in-2018.html?page=1

so my question is.

Dennis Tito has been to space in 2001 becoming the 1st tourist to do so. so if the earth is flat then by extension he must know space travel is a hoax.
so,why is he investing 66 million dollars of his own money into an event he knows is impossible. also how is he going to convince paying  private companies, each that are experts in the field they operate in, that he is pulling this of when in fact it will all be a hoax according to FE.

problems that will arise for it to be a hoax


Radio transmitions can be intercepted by anyone on earth who points a receiver to where the space craft is on its journey. ( the same could be done during Apollo)
scientific data will need to be falsified to a level where it can be used to convince the experts that its being sold to.
Doppler shift can be observed in radio transitions as the speed and direction of the craft changes in relation to the earth (sceptic wont understand relative speed)
i would assume a continual stream of footage will be broadcast from within the craft showing the crew during the journey so somehow they will need to replicate 0g for 501 day journey.
in our modern age of extreme HD video and highly advanced high mega pixel cameras all photographs will need to be insainly well faked probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of times and all match modern all ready reported pictures of the surface of mars.
actually build a craft capable of making the journey even though it wont because it will be the most interdependently scrutinized  piece of human engineering in the history of humanity.

this is just what i could think of in 5 minuets maby others could add to the list.

Edit * i would like to add as well be for an FEer does. i am well aware that this mission in not a certainty yet but even independent  experts admit that this is a technically quite achievable mission well within current and extreme near future technology.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 AM »
2018, huh?  Very amusing.

Anyway, I imagine he plans to profit by selling worthless tickets to the super-rich, just like all the other charlatans in the space tourism racket.

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 06:19:24 AM »
2018, huh?  Very amusing.

Anyway, I imagine he plans to profit by selling worthless tickets to the super-rich, just like all the other charlatans in the space tourism racket.

yes 2018 has a vary rare planetary orientation allowing for a fast free (in terms of enrgy) return orbit. something that wont happen again until 2031. you have a strange sense of humor if you find this amusing. what is amusing about it?

and no he isn't selling tickets. where did you get this idea? ??? did you not read my article i provided? if not then why are you commenting because you obviously don't know what you are talking about. he has set up a non profit company and invest a huge sum of his personal money which he says himself he will never get a return on. this man is making a personal sacrifice for humanity. not all rich people are arse holes believe it or not.
this isnt space tourism its a one of mission to spur others on.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 06:27:00 AM »
I saw that a few days ago and wondered about it too.

If the ISS is fake, and Dennis was the first "tourist" to "visit" it, that sends red flags to me about the whole thing. Maybe he's getting paid for all this to further the illusion of space travel? The government can certainly afford it. Just another media sham?

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 06:38:50 AM »
I saw that a few days ago and wondered about it too.

If the ISS is fake, and Dennis was the first "tourist" to "visit" it, that sends red flags to me about the whole thing. Maybe he's getting paid for all this to further the illusion of space travel? The government can certainly afford it. Just another media sham?

why does that send up red flags?

im pretty sure if 66 million dollars went out of his personal funds then lets say 100 million dollars went back in people might notice. i think you need to take into account this mans age. he isn't in the stage of his life where making even more money than he has is really a priority is it.

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 06:42:34 AM »
also. who is paying him. NASA? if its NASA then why don't they just do the mission themselves and keep it all in house. having to trick countless private investors and private companies just exponentially multiply the risk of it being rumbled. let alone the fact that a private company doing something NASA cant completely humiliates NASA.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 06:43:12 AM »
I'd love to see the size of this rocket that gets them to Mars.  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 06:45:52 AM »
I'd love to see the size of this rocket that gets them to Mars.  ;D

 it gives rough dimensions of the living quarter in the article. il tell you now its not big.

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 06:50:14 AM »
I'd love to see the size of this rocket that gets them to Mars.  ;D

 it gives rough dimensions of the living quarter in the article. il tell you now its not big.
I love this inflatable living quarters. They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.
Maybe someone could fund that for 50 million or so and have everyone chip in with some change for the fuel.
Maybe they could slip through a black hole and be back in time for supper.
It's possible you know.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 07:01:22 AM »
It's not going to happen, there isn't enough time before launch.

On a side note though I've always wondered why I've not seen inflatable space craft as they seem to make sense. I remember designing one when I was a teenager but NASA weren't interested, I like to think because it would have taken multiple launches to put it together rather than because it had lasers  ;D
I'd like to agree with you but then we'd both be wrong!

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2013, 07:03:24 AM »
I'd love to see the size of this rocket that gets them to Mars.  ;D

 it gives rough dimensions of the living quarter in the article. il tell you now its not big.
I love this inflatable living quarters. They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.
Maybe someone could fund that for 50 million or so and have everyone chip in with some change for the fuel.
Maybe they could slip through a black hole and be back in time for supper.
It's possible you know.
It's possible because people like you make it possible. ;)

so as usual nothing to add. just random detritus from the depths of your mind.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2013, 07:05:06 AM »
It's not going to happen, there isn't enough time before launch.

On a side note though I've always wondered why I've not seen inflatable space craft as they seem to make sense. I remember designing one when I was a teenager but NASA weren't interested, I like to think because it would have taken multiple launches to put it together rather than because it had lasers  ;D

i do agree that the time scale is tight but often humans work better when time is not on their side. also this is a private mission that does not have to adhear to the same excessive regulatory and safety requirements that NASA has to.

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2013, 07:24:20 AM »
It's not going to happen, there isn't enough time before launch.

On a side note though I've always wondered why I've not seen inflatable space craft as they seem to make sense. I remember designing one when I was a teenager but NASA weren't interested, I like to think because it would have taken multiple launches to put it together rather than because it had lasers  ;D

i do agree that the time scale is tight but often humans work better when time is not on their side. also this is a private mission that does not have to adhear to the same excessive regulatory and safety requirements that NASA has to.

Surely the astronauts will still be employees and therefore subject to health and safety legislation etc unless they base in China maybe.

I did try thinking it through though
a: it's only at the outline stage atm, so there's at least 2 to 3 years (probably more) of design and redesign
b: if I was going in that ship I'd like to know all the tech etc had been tested together for at least a 500 day period in space
c: what's the real business case for going especially when it's little more than a PR exercise, though not landing does save them a fortune.
d: on the same note what could this do that a robot mission couldn't do better?
I'd like to agree with you but then we'd both be wrong!

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 07:24:36 AM »
Hopefully they will build the Male and Female cyborgs in time to make the trip. After all, only they or backward people would consider it, in reality.

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2013, 07:28:36 AM »
They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.

Because they can't "do anything".  They can only do what is technically possible.  Right now, the technology does exist to send humans to Mars.  However, it is still a very expensive, difficult and dangerous proposition.  The thing lacking is someone who has the resources and the will to take the initiative.  Dennis Tito seems to think that he has the resources and the will, so we will see what happens over the next 5 years or so.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2013, 07:34:38 AM »
They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.

Because they can't "do anything".  They can only do what is technically possible.  Right now, the technology does exist to send humans to Mars.  However, it is still a very expensive, difficult and dangerous proposition.  The thing lacking is someone who has the resources and the will to take the initiative.  Dennis Tito seems to think that he has the resources and the will, so we will see what happens over the next 5 years or so.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 07:35:12 AM »
It's not going to happen, there isn't enough time before launch.

On a side note though I've always wondered why I've not seen inflatable space craft as they seem to make sense. I remember designing one when I was a teenager but NASA weren't interested, I like to think because it would have taken multiple launches to put it together rather than because it had lasers  ;D

i do agree that the time scale is tight but often humans work better when time is not on their side. also this is a private mission that does not have to adhear to the same excessive regulatory and safety requirements that NASA has to.

Surely the astronauts will still be employees and therefore subject to health and safety legislation etc unless they base in China maybe.

I did try thinking it through though
a: it's only at the outline stage atm, so there's at least 2 to 3 years (probably more) of design and redesign
b: if I was going in that ship I'd like to know all the tech etc had been tested together for at least a 500 day period in space
c: what's the real business case for going especially when it's little more than a PR exercise, though not landing does save them a fortune.
d: on the same note what could this do that a robot mission couldn't do better?

im no expert in employment law but if they were volunteers  and sighed wavers then i don't think the company is liable for any harm

A. they already started research and development before the anouncemnt although im not sure how long ago.
B. im sure most people would but again these are volunteers so they don't have to go if they don't want to.
C. this is not a standard business. its a non profit organisation hoping to spur on humanity. they will make no profit from this. they will aquier funding through sale of rights to footage branding and scientific information gained from the mission.
D the goal is to put a human around mars not a robot so a robot could not achieve this.

don't get me wrong i recognize this is by no means a certainty and will be vary hard. im just very interested to see how it all works out.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2013, 08:08:34 AM »
It's not going to happen, there isn't enough time before launch.

On a side note though I've always wondered why I've not seen inflatable space craft as they seem to make sense. I remember designing one when I was a teenager but NASA weren't interested, I like to think because it would have taken multiple launches to put it together rather than because it had lasers  ;D

i do agree that the time scale is tight but often humans work better when time is not on their side. also this is a private mission that does not have to adhear to the same excessive regulatory and safety requirements that NASA has to.

Surely the astronauts will still be employees and therefore subject to health and safety legislation etc unless they base in China maybe.

I did try thinking it through though
a: it's only at the outline stage atm, so there's at least 2 to 3 years (probably more) of design and redesign
b: if I was going in that ship I'd like to know all the tech etc had been tested together for at least a 500 day period in space
c: what's the real business case for going especially when it's little more than a PR exercise, though not landing does save them a fortune.
d: on the same note what could this do that a robot mission couldn't do better?

im no expert in employment law but if they were volunteers  and sighed wavers then i don't think the company is liable for any harm

A. they already started research and development before the anouncemnt although im not sure how long ago.
B. im sure most people would but again these are volunteers so they don't have to go if they don't want to.
C. this is not a standard business. its a non profit organisation hoping to spur on humanity. they will make no profit from this. they will aquier funding through sale of rights to footage branding and scientific information gained from the mission.
D the goal is to put a human around mars not a robot so a robot could not achieve this.

don't get me wrong i recognize this is by no means a certainty and will be vary hard. im just very interested to see how it all works out.

No doubt a privately contracted astronaut would sign extensive liability waivers and they would be idiots if they did not understand that there are obvious risks of travelling to Mars.  That being said, if the company sent them in to space with plastic wrap for windows and did not tell them, they might have a case.  Or rather, their families might have a case.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2013, 10:56:12 AM »
I'd love to see the size of this rocket that gets them to Mars.  ;D

 it gives rough dimensions of the living quarter in the article. il tell you now its not big.
I love this inflatable living quarters. They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.
Maybe someone could fund that for 50 million or so and have everyone chip in with some change for the fuel.
Maybe they could slip through a black hole and be back in time for supper.
It's possible you know.
It's possible because people like you make it possible. ;)

Who said there was life on a planet 600 light years away? I don't think anyone has EVER made that claim, I think you need to check your facts before making a post.

Hopefully they will build the Male and Female cyborgs in time to make the trip. After all, only they or backward people would consider it, in reality.

There are plenty of people who would be willing to make a journey to Mars if it meant that they would be in the history books as the first pioneers of another planet. Many just like the idea of leaving Earth to do something different and exciting. Don't speak out of your ass for other people, generalizations such as that are laughable at their very best.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2013, 11:09:52 AM »
I'd love to see the size of this rocket that gets them to Mars.  ;D

 it gives rough dimensions of the living quarter in the article. il tell you now its not big.
I love this inflatable living quarters. They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.
Maybe someone could fund that for 50 million or so and have everyone chip in with some change for the fuel.
Maybe they could slip through a black hole and be back in time for supper.
It's possible you know.
It's possible because people like you make it possible. ;)

Who said there was life on a planet 600 light years away? I don't think anyone has EVER made that claim, I think you need to check your facts before making a post.

Hopefully they will build the Male and Female cyborgs in time to make the trip. After all, only they or backward people would consider it, in reality.

There are plenty of people who would be willing to make a journey to Mars if it meant that they would be in the history books as the first pioneers of another planet. Many just like the idea of leaving Earth to do something different and exciting. Don't speak out of your ass for other people, generalizations such as that are laughable at their very best.
You need to stop living in a comic book fantasy world.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2013, 11:30:06 AM »
you need to stop shitting on all the threads its the FES not the septiktank show.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2013, 11:31:01 AM »
you need to stop shitting on all the threads its the FES not the septiktank show.
agreed. the more he posts the less any other FEr posts.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2013, 11:36:09 AM »
you need to stop shitting on all the threads its the FES not the septiktank show.
agreed. the more he posts the less any other FEr posts.

sorry for derailing your thread but its getting rather annoying, he is turning the forum into his personal playground. its always crap about conspiracies and rubbish like that.

but about the prospect of going to mars. the time frame appears too short. i doubt it will happen and will be delayed and they will miss the opportunity to get an easy ride.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2013, 11:40:23 AM »
I do apologise, I will take no further part.

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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2013, 11:57:28 AM »
you need to stop shitting on all the threads its the FES not the septiktank show.
agreed. the more he posts the less any other FEr posts.

sorry for derailing your thread but its getting rather annoying, he is turning the forum into his personal playground. its always crap about conspiracies and rubbish like that.

but about the prospect of going to mars. the time frame appears too short. i doubt it will happen and will be delayed and they will miss the opportunity to get an easy ride.

indeed i do fear to that the time left is to tight. although in one article i read which i cant find at the moment he mentions that the same mission could be achieved for slightly more money every two years like a normal mission to mars but would require more transit time and as a consequence more money. this is his back up option if the company misses the 2018 date. he just set 2018 as his main goal date because of the rare alignment of planets.

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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2013, 12:27:13 PM »
I doubt they'll make it in time. Like everyone else said they still need to design, plan etc. Plus, I think it would be very difficult seeing as they need 500 days worth of food and water (maybe even for multiple people, which would take up a lot of space and need a bigger launch rocket etc.).
However, I do still hope they pull it off.
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2013, 12:33:57 PM »
just found their website. seems to have a lot more of the nity gritty details.

http://www.inspirationmars.org/

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2013, 01:03:17 PM »
They can do anything now. Why don't they build a hyper drive craft and land on that new planet they found with life on about 600 light years away.

Because they can't "do anything".  They can only do what is technically possible.  Right now, the technology does exist to send humans to Mars.  However, it is still a very expensive, difficult and dangerous proposition.  The thing lacking is someone who has the resources and the will to take the initiative.  Dennis Tito seems to think that he has the resources and the will, so we will see what happens over the next 5 years or so.
I don't believe that you believe any of that.
George Scott fallacy.  I do believe that it's possible possible to send people to Mars with our current technology.  I just don't necessarily believe that Dennis Tito will be the first man to get to there or that it will happen in 2018.
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Re: 1st humans to visit mars.
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2013, 01:22:27 PM »
you need to stop shitting on all the threads its the FES not the septiktank show.
agreed. the more he posts the less any other FEr posts.

Honestly I just don't see where there's anything meaningful to talk about here.  There's literally nothing to argue against when the thing being discussed hasn't happened.
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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2013, 01:31:04 PM »


so my question is.

Dennis Tito has been to space in 2001 becoming the 1st tourist to do so. so if the earth is flat then by extension he must know space travel is a hoax.
so,why is he investing 66 million dollars of his own money into an event he knows is impossible. also how is he going to convince paying  private companies, each that are experts in the field they operate in, that he is pulling this of when in fact it will all be a hoax according to FE.