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Quote from: Nolhekh on January 27, 2013, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 10:59:36 AM

Quote from: Bollybill on January 27, 2013, 10:51:44 AM

Sceptimatic, do you know of a way of speeding up the transmissions so that there is no delay? To my knowledge there is none.

And what's the problem with satellites relaying footage?

First of all, the ISS is supposedly orbiting the Earth at 17,000 mph. We are told that geo stationary satellites are at 23,000 miles out on a fixed point with the Earth's spin, meaning they are supposedly fixed on a given point on Earth at all times.

If the ISS is whizzing around the Earth, we can discount relaying from these can we not?

If there's nothing between the geostationary satellites and the ISS, then they can be used to relay to it.  Simple.

How do you work that out?

Common sense.  When there's empty space between the ISS and a geostationary satellite, the ISS can pick up the radio signal from the geostationary satellite, making the satellite an effective station for relaying messages to the ISS.

the speed an object travels at dosent change its ability to recive a signal. unless all radio comunications is a hoax that we have been brainwashed to belive and only the mighty scepi as managed to rise above.

Let me give you a thought experiment of sorts because you seem to be obsessed with them.

Say I'm standing on the side of a street with a laser pointer and I'm pointing it at a parked car, which is the only thing you think can happen I guess. Then, a car passes by and I point the laser at the driver's eyes. I am still able to point the laser at him (or the car) while he is swerving out of control, right?

Although, satellites are able to orbit more predictably than a swerving car moves.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 11:09:48 AM

Quote from: Nolhekh on January 27, 2013, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 10:59:36 AM

Quote from: Bollybill on January 27, 2013, 10:51:44 AM

Sceptimatic, do you know of a way of speeding up the transmissions so that there is no delay? To my knowledge there is none.

And what's the problem with satellites relaying footage?

First of all, the ISS is supposedly orbiting the Earth at 17,000 mph. We are told that geo stationary satellites are at 23,000 miles out on a fixed point with the Earth's spin, meaning they are supposedly fixed on a given point on Earth at all times.

If the ISS is whizzing around the Earth, we can discount relaying from these can we not?

If there's nothing between the geostationary satellites and the ISS, then they can be used to relay to it.  Simple.

How do you work that out?

Common sense.  When there's empty space between the ISS and a geostationary satellite, the ISS can pick up the radio signal from the geostationary satellite, making the satellite an effective station for relaying messages to the ISS.

How? The ISS is supposedly orbiting the Earth at 17,000 mph, how is this 23,000 mile satellite going to send info to it?

the speed an object travels at dosent change its ability to recive a signal. unless all radio comunications is a hoax that we have been brainwashed to belive and only the mighty scepi as managed to rise above.

Who's on about the speed. I'm on about the ISS being out of sight at speed.

Let me give you a thought experiment of sorts because you seem to be obsessed with them.

Say I'm standing on the side of a street with a laser pointer and I'm pointing it at a parked car, which is the only thing you think can happen I guess. Then, a car passes by and I point the laser at the driver's eyes. I am still able to point the laser at him (or the car) while he is swerving out of control, right?

Although, satellites are able to orbit more predictably than a swerving car moves.

Do lasers bend around the Earth?

why would the iss be out of sight of the satilites? they are all around earth and designed to relay messages between them. i dont think u understand how satilites work

why would the iss be out of sight of the satilites? they are all around earth and designed to relay messages between them. i dont think u understand how satilites work

I laughed when you said I don't know how satellites work. You are correct of course because nobody does, because they don't exist.

once again a statment backed up by no evidence. shock  get back to us when you actualy understand basic scientific principles.

Quote from: Nolhekh on January 27, 2013, 11:12:37 AM

Common sense.  When there's empty space between the ISS and a geostationary satellite, the ISS can pick up the radio signal from the geostationary satellite, making the satellite an effective station for relaying messages to the ISS.

How? The ISS is supposedly orbiting the Earth at 17,000 mph, how is this 23,000 mile satellite going to send info to it?

For a satellite 23000 miles away, 17000 mph isn't that hard to track.  Notice how planes in the distance look slower than planes closer up. Using the simplest trigonometry, you can calculate that the satellite only has to change the direction of the beam by at most a hundredth of a degree each second to keep up with the ISS.

once again a statment backed up by no evidence. shock  get back to us when you actualy understand basic scientific principles.

My own logic will suffice with me. Scientific principle are shoe horned into space , so it's pointless bothering zapping my brain with rigged up baloney.
Blind them all with science and baffle them with bullshit, is the order of the day.

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:05:41 PM

once again a statment backed up by no evidence. shock  get back to us when you actualy understand basic scientific principles.

My own logic will suffice with me. Scientific principle are shoe horned into space , so it's pointless bothering zapping my brain with rigged up baloney.
Blind them all with science and baffle them with bullshit, is the order of the day.

Appeal to ignorance?  Reality shall continue to elude you.  If I can read Enag, you can learn some basic science.

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:05:41 PM

once again a statment backed up by no evidence. shock  get back to us when you actualy understand basic scientific principles.

My own logic will suffice with me. Scientific principle are shoe horned into space , so it's pointless bothering zapping my brain with rigged up baloney.
Blind them all with science and baffle them with bullshit, is the order of the day.

Why are you so willing to accept FE but argue with every little point of RE?
Besides, you're wrong. FE science is shoehorned to fit its theory, and I know you can't prove me wrong.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 11:47:43 AM

Quote from: Nolhekh on January 27, 2013, 11:12:37 AM

Common sense.  When there's empty space between the ISS and a geostationary satellite, the ISS can pick up the radio signal from the geostationary satellite, making the satellite an effective station for relaying messages to the ISS.

How? The ISS is supposedly orbiting the Earth at 17,000 mph, how is this 23,000 mile satellite going to send info to it?

For a satellite 23000 miles away, 17000 mph isn't that hard to track.  Notice how planes in the distance look slower than planes closer up. Using the simplest trigonometry, you can calculate that the satellite only has to change the direction of the beam by at most a hundredth of a degree each second to keep up with the ISS.

Are you kidding me?

The ISS is supposedly zooming around the Earth at 17,000 mph, and supposedly orbits the Earth about 19 times a day.
A geo stationary satellite follows the Earth supposedly, keeping it on a fixed point on Earth. So basically it's like it's one a long stick following the Earth allegedly whilst this ISS is supposedly whizzing round it 19 times a day.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 12:08:54 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:05:41 PM

once again a statment backed up by no evidence. shock  get back to us when you actualy understand basic scientific principles.

My own logic will suffice with me. Scientific principle are shoe horned into space , so it's pointless bothering zapping my brain with rigged up baloney.
Blind them all with science and baffle them with bullshit, is the order of the day.

Appeal to ignorance?  Reality shall continue to elude you.  If I can read Enag, you can learn some basic science.

And you can learn to start using some logic.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 12:08:54 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:05:41 PM

once again a statment backed up by no evidence. shock  get back to us when you actualy understand basic scientific principles.

My own logic will suffice with me. Scientific principle are shoe horned into space , so it's pointless bothering zapping my brain with rigged up baloney.
Blind them all with science and baffle them with bullshit, is the order of the day.

Why are you so willing to accept FE but argue with every little point of RE?
Besides, you're wrong. FE science is shoehorned to fit its theory, and I know you can't prove me wrong.

I haven't fully went to a flat Earth in it's entirety as I still have more reading up, yet I've read enough to discount a round Earth , stationary or rotating.
I was once brainwashed too you know, yet that's before I had time to actually bother to question things and it all started with the moon landings, so from that point on, I believed nothing and questioned everything until I was satisfied....and still do.

why cant a satilite transimt a signal to a moving object? i realy cant understand why you think this is not possible? its not a narrow beam of information trying to hit a tiny target.

why cant a satilite transimt a signal to a moving object? i realy cant understand why you think this is not possible? its not a narrow beam of information trying to hit a tiny target.

One minute your satellite dish has to be aligned perfectly, the next minute signals can simply bend around the Earth keeping transmissions going. It's just one big chink of bullshit after another to be fair.

It's make it up as they go along time and always has been.
There will always be an answer to my questions, because there's no way anyone is going to say, oh shit, we've been rumbled when you can make up whatever comes to mind....

And you can learn to start using some logic.

I have.  Yours is just riddled with holes, and is oversimplified.  You ignore objective mathematics.  Your ignorance prevents you from accepting your flaws.

Are you kidding me?

The ISS is supposedly zooming around the Earth at 17,000 mph, and supposedly orbits the Earth about 19 times a day.
A geo stationary satellite follows the Earth supposedly, keeping it on a fixed point on Earth. So basically it's like it's one a long stick following the Earth allegedly whilst this ISS is supposedly whizzing round it 19 times a day.

I don't see how any of that is a problem.  I did the math, gave you my conclusion, backed it with a simple analogy, which you seem to have missed or misunderstood.  There's nothing inconsistent with what I have said. 

I feel your repulsion to these ideas is fueled by a distorted mental image of the whole thing.  You don't understand, and have pretty much decided to ignore geometric mathematics, so you can't build an accurate mental picture of what's involved.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 12:13:37 PM

And you can learn to start using some logic.

I have.  Yours is just riddled with holes, and is oversimplified.  You ignore objective mathematics.  Your ignorance prevents you from accepting your flaws.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 12:12:54 PM

Are you kidding me?

The ISS is supposedly zooming around the Earth at 17,000 mph, and supposedly orbits the Earth about 19 times a day.
A geo stationary satellite follows the Earth supposedly, keeping it on a fixed point on Earth. So basically it's like it's one a long stick following the Earth allegedly whilst this ISS is supposedly whizzing round it 19 times a day.

I don't see how any of that is a problem.  I did the math, gave you my conclusion, backed it with a simple analogy, which you seem to have missed or misunderstood.  There's nothing inconsistent with what I have said. 

I feel your repulsion to these ideas is fueled by a distorted mental image of the whole thing.  You don't understand, and have pretty much decided to ignore geometric mathematics, so you can't build an accurate mental picture of what's involved.

I don't need to use mathematics to know when something is bullshit like this. Just logic and common sense.
You are using the mathematics that you were taught to fit, that's all.

maths that is taught to fit? dnt you find it a bit odd that all the math fits perfectly for everything but nothing you say fits with the next thing you say?

maths that is taught to fit? dnt you find it a bit odd that all the math fits perfectly for everything but nothing you say fits with the next thing you say?

Space science is simply shoehorned mathematics.

you keep on saying thay but have never actualy shown us any occasion on which the maths dsnt work. shock

I don't need to use mathematics to know when something is bullshit like this. Just logic and common sense.
You are using the mathematics that you were taught to fit, that's all.

No.  I figured it out myself.  Tested it myself.  Besides, its the same damn mathematics used to build bridges, and to program 3D software.  If it didn't work, almost none of the technology you take for granted would.  You're being dangerously arrogant.  This isn't bullshit.  This is true logic.  Logic without subjective assumptions and feelings.  I have used the math I've learned to accurately aim catapults, accurately build structures, and make 100% accurate perspective drawings.  If you ignore math and stay arrogant, you will never achieve anything of the sort.  You'd be surprised at how many occupations rely on this math, and if you ignore it out of arrogance, none of them will ever work for you.  This attitude of yours can only stunt you.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/D/Daedalus.html

this is what reasoned scientific and enginering thought can do. i know its off topic but its got two of the most rediculious things you think are fake. it should completly blow you mind!

you keep on saying thay but have never actualy shown us any occasion on which the maths dsnt work. shock

How can I show you that the math doesn't work when the math is shoehorned into the whole bullshit. Come on man. 

because if something dosnt work then it can be shown to not work. if you cant show us it dosent work then that must mean that it does.

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:47:44 PM

you keep on saying thay but have never actualy shown us any occasion on which the maths dsnt work. shock

How can I show you that the math doesn't work when the math is shoehorned into the whole bullshit. Come on man. 

Then you can't say the math is shoehorned, if you can't prove it logically.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 12:34:25 PM

I don't need to use mathematics to know when something is bullshit like this. Just logic and common sense.
You are using the mathematics that you were taught to fit, that's all.

No.  I figured it out myself.  Tested it myself.  Besides, its the same damn mathematics used to build bridges, and to program 3D software.  If it didn't work, almost none of the technology you take for granted would.  You're being dangerously arrogant.  This isn't bullshit.  This is true logic.  Logic without subjective assumptions and feelings.  I have used the math I've learned to accurately aim catapults, accurately build structures, and make 100% accurate perspective drawings.  If you ignore math and stay arrogant, you will never achieve anything of the sort.  You'd be surprised at how many occupations rely on this math, and if you ignore it out of arrogance, none of them will ever work for you.  This attitude of yours can only stunt you.

Ok , I suppose I'll have to explain.

I know it's the same mathematics that build stuff. What I'm saying is, the size of planets and distances etc are all made to fit in with the mathematics.

For instance. To have the moon at the size they say it is, plus 250,000 miles out, they have to make the sun 93 million miles away and to be over 850,000 miles away so it supposedly sits behind the moon perfectly in an eclipse. Then they have the Earth at it's size blah blah blah , so it all fits in.

Once some clever dick comes along and spots an error, it will be changed to fit again. Yet they have ironed out many problems.
They are still working on the stars in pictures, as soon they will be able to map them in pictures so no one can pick up on them, then we will see amazing stars in the future in all the fake footage.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 12:54:14 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:47:44 PM

you keep on saying thay but have never actualy shown us any occasion on which the maths dsnt work. shock

How can I show you that the math doesn't work when the math is shoehorned into the whole bullshit. Come on man. 

Then you can't say the math is shoehorned, if you can't prove it logically.

Because I am logical and not easily brainwashed.