bendy light?

In the real world the light is bent by gravitation (along with refraction).

In this flat Earth world the light is bent by UA, but like with all other FE "laws of FE nature" - for no apparent reason it is bent in the wrong way. No flat-earther seem to bother fixing or, at very least, explaining it.

yes agreed. gravitation does indeed bend light. sory was just a bit confused from what angle you were comming from.

I'm coming from exactly orthogonal angle.

Where is light bent by gravitation?

black holes are an extreme. but i think any mass bends light to some degree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens

but with this we have observable evidence backed up by scientfic reaserch and math. something bendy light in FE has non of.

black holes are an extreme. but i think any mass bends light to some degree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens

but with this we have observable evidence backed up by scientfic reaserch and math. something bendy light in FE has non of.

That's not light bending, that's space bending. Since light is what we can see, it appears that the light is bending.
The difference is this: if light was bending within space, a ruler in that space would appear straight to us, while the light would appear bent. And to an observer next to that beam of light, it would still appear bent. If space is bending, both a straight ruler and a beam of light would appear bent by the same amount. And to an observer next to that beam of light, it would appear straight.

fair enough but the light does appear to bend from an outsiders location. im suprised FE hasnt jumped on this form of bending to try and explain bendy light.

fair enough but the light does appear to bend from an outsiders location. im suprised FE hasnt jumped on this form of bending to try and explain bendy light.

OK I concede it does appear to bend. FE'ers haven't jumped on it because it relies on the existence of gravity and the light also bends the wrong way.

yes agreed. gravitation does indeed bend light. sory was just a bit confused from what angle you were comming from.

This is a common misconception that I've seen sometimes here. Space is bent by a massive object, and since light always follow geodesics (the shortest path), light will bend when passing nearby. There's no bendy light in general relativity, there's curved space.

I'm always amazed that RErs always pick out the most simple of our theories and ignore the really difficult stuff.

You can see in the video below, some guy explaining bendy light in a Flat Earth introduction.
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^That vid should probably be in the FAQ.

Oh course the really meaty discussion comes when you realise that in order to have bendy light, you must also have bendy darkness.

The plum bob bit is ridiculous.  You'd have to have a building span 10 miles before you noticed any significant difference in the walls "plum"-ness. 

Flat-earthers have difficulty thinking on a larger scale.  Bottom line.  "The earth is flat because it looks flat." Never considered that it looks flat because it's really big and you're really small?

Disproof of bendy light

The only thing that post proves is that The Knowledge does not understand EAT or the word "perpendicular", which is unsurprising given that The Knowledge does not understand very many things at all.

Quote from: FlatOrange on February 24, 2013, 01:16:34 PM

Disproof of bendy light

The only thing that post proves is that The Knowledge does not understand EAT or the word "perpendicular", which is unsurprising given that The Knowledge does not understand very many things at all.

But it appears to be a valid disproof, nonetheless. At least TK wasn't ranting in that one.

I've been following this thread and I have a question.

How does "bendy light" behave when the sun is directly overhead? Does it still bend?

That's actually a very good question. If light bends outwards in all directions the. Their should be a dark spot directly underneath. I would also like to know the answer

I've been following this thread and I have a question.

How does "bendy light" behave when the sun is directly overhead? Does it still bend?

Plug your numbers into Parsifal's equation, it will tell you the answer, apparently... 

But it appears to be a valid disproof, nonetheless. At least TK wasn't ranting in that one.

It is a valid disproof of The Knowledge's incorrect understanding of bendy light, if you want to look at it that way, yes. Incorrect things are often relatively easy to disprove.

How does "bendy light" behave when the sun is directly overhead? Does it still bend?

That's actually a very good question. If light bends outwards in all directions the. Their should be a dark spot directly underneath. I would also like to know the answer

Sorry, I haven't been in the upper fora much lately so I've only just seen this question. The amount of curvature on a ray of light changes with its orientation; it bends most when horizontal, and not at all when vertical.

When you are directly underneath the Sun, the light is going straight down towards you, so it does not bend at all. As you move further and further away from the Sun, the light is bending more and more to reach you. Finally, you reach a point where the light is curving to such an extent that it is horizontal when it reaches you, and so the Sun appears to be on the horizon -- this is what happens at sunrise and sunset.

When the Sun is even further away than that, there is no path that light can take from the Sun to you which does not go down through the Earth's surface and then curve back up again. Since light is blocked by the Earth's surface, you don't see the Sun at all. This is what happens at night.

When you are directly underneath the Sun, the light is going straight down towards you, so it does not bend at all. As you move further and further away from the Sun, the light is bending more and more to reach you. Finally, you reach a point where the light is curving to such an extent that it is horizontal when it reaches you, and so the Sun appears to be on the horizon -- this is what happens at sunrise and sunset.

When the Sun is even further away than that, there is no path that light can take from the Sun to you which does not go down through the Earth's surface and then curve back up again. Since light is blocked by the Earth's surface, you don't see the Sun at all. This is what happens at night.

Thats a pretty explanation but does not apply in the real world. A known fact of sunsets is that after you watch the sun set. if you get to  higher position (or you could watch it laying down and then stand) you can see the light of the sun again. According to your explanation the oposite would happen. after the sun has set you could get to a lower position to look it again.

Quote from: Parsifal on March 16, 2013, 03:51:32 PM

When you are directly underneath the Sun, the light is going straight down towards you, so it does not bend at all. As you move further and further away from the Sun, the light is bending more and more to reach you. Finally, you reach a point where the light is curving to such an extent that it is horizontal when it reaches you, and so the Sun appears to be on the horizon -- this is what happens at sunrise and sunset.

When the Sun is even further away than that, there is no path that light can take from the Sun to you which does not go down through the Earth's surface and then curve back up again. Since light is blocked by the Earth's surface, you don't see the Sun at all. This is what happens at night.

Thats a pretty explanation but does not apply in the real world. A known fact of sunsets is that after you watch the sun set. if you get to  higher position (or you could watch it laying down and then stand) you can see the light of the sun again. According to your explanation the oposite would happen. after the sun has set you could get to a lower position to look it again.

I try to follow this thread. If I understand right light is supposed to bend upward. So why should you see the sun from a lower position when it is gone further away?

Thats a pretty explanation but does not apply in the real world. A known fact of sunsets is that after you watch the sun set. if you get to  higher position (or you could watch it laying down and then stand) you can see the light of the sun again. According to your explanation the oposite would happen. after the sun has set you could get to a lower position to look it again.

Homesick Martian seems to be on the right track. I'd also like to know why you think that moving lower should cause the Sun to become visible.

Quote from: robertotrevor on March 16, 2013, 04:48:07 PM

Thats a pretty explanation but does not apply in the real world. A known fact of sunsets is that after you watch the sun set. if you get to  higher position (or you could watch it laying down and then stand) you can see the light of the sun again. According to your explanation the oposite would happen. after the sun has set you could get to a lower position to look it again.

Homesick Martian seems to be on the right track. I'd also like to know why you think that moving lower should cause the Sun to become visible.

Because the farther the sun goes. the closer to the ground the rays travel? But the light tavels upwards? thats seems pretty wierd even for bendy light. But its ok. your game your rules.

Because the farther the sun goes. the closer to the ground the rays travel?

The Sun is always emitting the same light, bending in the same way, regardless of where you are. The light that goes above the surface of the Earth and bends back up doesn't simply stop existing because you move far away from it.

In my previous post, I was talking specifically about the ray of light that the observer sees (or would see if it was not being blocked by the Earth's surface), since other rays are irrelevant. This doesn't imply that the Sun is a laser targeted only at the observer. Move the observer, and you need to consider other parts of the Sun's output.

But the light tavels upwards? thats seems pretty wierd even for bendy light. But its ok. your game your rules.

Some light travels up, some light travels down. There is no law of the Universe which states that all light needs to travel down. However, the direction in which light travels is not the key point here; according to bendy light, the light will curve upwards.

After finding just the first derivative of that equation it already looks like garbage. Alas, time for the second.

Bendy light actually explains a lot. There just isn't enough evidence to back the claim yet.
Accepting UA and bendy light makes FET a good theory. Obviously you do need to ignore a lot of modern achievements though.

After finding just the first derivative of that equation it already looks like garbage. Alas, time for the second.

An equation does not have a "first derivative". Be more specific.

Drop the math and make some pictures.

Drop the math and make some pictures.

No.

Quote from: squevil on March 17, 2013, 12:05:11 PM

Drop the math and make some pictures.

No.

You dont need to make some pictures. what do you think of this one? (just in case you didnt see that topic)

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57916.msg1467390.html#new

Quote from: squevil on March 17, 2013, 12:05:11 PM

Drop the math and make some pictures.

No.

Add both. Bendy light would be more accepted if people can visualise it.

Quote from: Dog on March 17, 2013, 11:08:22 AM

After finding just the first derivative of that equation it already looks like garbage. Alas, time for the second.

An equation does not have a "first derivative". Be more specific.

Yes they do?