Why are the other planets round?

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Why are the other planets round?
« on: January 11, 2013, 02:58:33 PM »
Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 03:01:34 PM »
because the earth has beyond any reasonable doubt been proven round by scientific experiments and observations. FE is wrong. 

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 03:11:12 PM »
because the earth has beyond any reasonable doubt been proven round by scientific experiments and observations. FE is wrong.

Really? Scientific experiments have proven the Earth to be round? Please expand on this further.

Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?

Other celestial bodies are round because they are bombarded on all sides by the Aetheric whirlpool, while the Earth is flattened by its push.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 04:04:40 PM »
because the earth has beyond any reasonable doubt been proven round by scientific experiments and observations. FE is wrong.
I know. I am trying just as hard as you to disprove FET.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 04:10:25 PM »
Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?
How come none of the other planets have life on them? The earth is special. Short of collapsing into a philosophical debate about creation or god or probabilities there isn't a firm answer. It just is.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 04:24:15 PM »
Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?
How come none of the other planets have life on them? The earth is special. Short of collapsing into a philosophical debate about creation or god or probabilities there isn't a firm answer. It just is.

Is life a direct result of the shape of a planet?

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 05:54:57 PM »
Why is Earth the only planet with a single moon?

Why is Earth the only planet that's blue?
Why is Earth the only planet with oceans of water?
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 06:56:12 PM »
Why is Earth the only planet with a single moon?

Why is Earth the only planet that's blue?
Why is Earth the only planet with oceans of water?

Asteroid Ida, Pluto, and Eris each have one natural satellite.

Earth is blue because the wavelengths are absorbed less.  Same cause as the blue shift effect.  Uranus and Neptune are both blue.

Earth has water because it is not so hot the water will evaporate nor too cold that it will freeze.  Water is produced by burning hydrogen with the following chemical formula:

2 H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O

It's not too far fetched to assume that when Earth was a big lava planet, that some of the MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT combusted with the help of one of the other elements commonly produced in stars via fusion (which includes every element up to Iron if I remember correctly).  We're in the sweet spot for our solar system.  Other planets could have water somewhere, but that is less likely since their temperature is not right.  And gas giants aren't fun at all for biological life. 

You also have ignored the fact that other stars have planets, which doesn't surprise me considering how you think the stars are all fixed objects that are 3100 miles away.  I won't even bother mentioning multiple star systems (example: Centauri system, containing Alpha, Beta, and Proxima Centauri as its three stars) or the possibility that stars are in fact not fixed objects 3100 miles away, since you'll just ignore it and restate your own unfounded beliefs.

Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?
How come none of the other planets have life on them? The earth is special. Short of collapsing into a philosophical debate about creation or god or probabilities there isn't a firm answer. It just is.

As I said, Earth has life on it because it is in the one spot where water can be liquid.  Water is essential to carbon-based life - just take a high school biology class and you'll see how many biological processes it is involved in (unless that's a conspiracy too).  It is a fluid that isn't too reactive that allows things inside of us to move.  If we didn't have water, we'd be big heaps of chalky stuff, and how can big heaps of chalky stuff move nutrients throughout themselves?  It's much easier with water.  Plus, we haven't fully proved that other planets don't have any form of microbial life on them.  We haven't explored enough to know that yet.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 10:19:51 PM »
Why is Earth the only planet with a single moon?

Why is Earth the only planet that's blue?
Why is Earth the only planet with oceans of water?

Asteroid Ida, Pluto, and Eris each have one natural satellite.
Pluto has 3.  Charon, Nix, Hydra
Eris has one, tis true.  But it's not a naturally formed one.
Ida is not a planet.  But you seemed to have known this.

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Earth is blue because the wavelengths are absorbed less.  Same cause as the blue shift effect.  Uranus and Neptune are both blue.
Uranus is blue-green, not blue, due to the methane.
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars? 

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Earth has water because it is not so hot the water will evaporate nor too cold that it will freeze.  Water is produced by burning hydrogen with the following chemical formula:

2 H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O

It's not too far fetched to assume that when Earth was a big lava planet, that some of the MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT combusted with the help of one of the other elements commonly produced in stars via fusion (which includes every element up to Iron if I remember correctly).  We're in the sweet spot for our solar system.  Other planets could have water somewhere, but that is less likely since their temperature is not right.  And gas giants aren't fun at all for biological life. 
I am aware of the chemical formula for water. 
So why is Earth in the "sweet spot" when no other planet is?  Clearly we must be special.  We're in the sweet spot when, according to RET, the Earth could have formed anywhere if at all.  And the area of sweetness is rather wide, given proper atmospheric conditions.  So why isn't any other planet life giving or full of water oceans? 

You simply can't compare the Earth to other planets because it's not like other planets in our solar system.  The only common thread between all the planets in our solar system is that they are made of matter.


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You also have ignored the fact that other stars have planets, which doesn't surprise me considering how you think the stars are all fixed objects that are 3100 miles away.  I won't even bother mentioning multiple star systems (example: Centauri system, containing Alpha, Beta, and Proxima Centauri as its three stars) or the possibility that stars are in fact not fixed objects 3100 miles away, since you'll just ignore it and restate your own unfounded beliefs.
Why would you mention them? 
You haven't been there.
No probes have been there.
Telescopes can only see light "wobbles".

Frankly, the fact that you THINK planets around other stars is proof that the Earth isn't special is... well, a rather large assumption considering that even if you can prove they exist, you can't see their composition directly.  Not without sending probes or going there in person.



Of course, since Space Travel is not possible, it's all irrelevant.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 07:59:24 AM »
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars?

Ummm...  The Earth is not blue.  The Earth is various colors from white clouds to blue oceans, green and brown land masses and so on.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 08:35:32 AM »
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars?

Ummm...  The Earth is not blue.  The Earth is various colors from white clouds to blue oceans, green and brown land masses and so on.
Then you should inform the perpetrators of the blue marble hoax.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2013, 09:01:24 AM »
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars?

Ummm...  The Earth is not blue.  The Earth is various colors from white clouds to blue oceans, green and brown land masses and so on.
Then you should inform the perpetrators of the blue marble hoax.

That photo looks exactly the way markjo described. All of the photos on the page match this description.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2013, 10:33:12 AM »
Why is Earth the only planet with a single moon?

Why is Earth the only planet that's blue?
Why is Earth the only planet with oceans of water?

Asteroid Ida, Pluto, and Eris each have one natural satellite.
Pluto has 3.  Charon, Nix, Hydra
Eris has one, tis true.  But it's not a naturally formed one.
Ida is not a planet.  But you seemed to have known this.

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Earth is blue because the wavelengths are absorbed less.  Same cause as the blue shift effect.  Uranus and Neptune are both blue.
Uranus is blue-green, not blue, due to the methane.
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars? 

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Earth has water because it is not so hot the water will evaporate nor too cold that it will freeze.  Water is produced by burning hydrogen with the following chemical formula:

2 H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O

It's not too far fetched to assume that when Earth was a big lava planet, that some of the MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT combusted with the help of one of the other elements commonly produced in stars via fusion (which includes every element up to Iron if I remember correctly).  We're in the sweet spot for our solar system.  Other planets could have water somewhere, but that is less likely since their temperature is not right.  And gas giants aren't fun at all for biological life. 
I am aware of the chemical formula for water. 
So why is Earth in the "sweet spot" when no other planet is?  Clearly we must be special.  We're in the sweet spot when, according to RET, the Earth could have formed anywhere if at all.  And the area of sweetness is rather wide, given proper atmospheric conditions.  So why isn't any other planet life giving or full of water oceans? 

You simply can't compare the Earth to other planets because it's not like other planets in our solar system.  The only common thread between all the planets in our solar system is that they are made of matter.


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You also have ignored the fact that other stars have planets, which doesn't surprise me considering how you think the stars are all fixed objects that are 3100 miles away.  I won't even bother mentioning multiple star systems (example: Centauri system, containing Alpha, Beta, and Proxima Centauri as its three stars) or the possibility that stars are in fact not fixed objects 3100 miles away, since you'll just ignore it and restate your own unfounded beliefs.
Why would you mention them? 
You haven't been there.
No probes have been there.
Telescopes can only see light "wobbles".

Frankly, the fact that you THINK planets around other stars is proof that the Earth isn't special is... well, a rather large assumption considering that even if you can prove they exist, you can't see their composition directly.  Not without sending probes or going there in person.



Of course, since Space Travel is not possible, it's all irrelevant.

Our Moon is currently thought to be a captured asteroid due to its relative size.  I assume that this is what you mean by 'not naturally formed'.

I said that blue light was absorbed LESS.  As in, red light is absorbed more by the water.

Now, as for our planet being in the sweet spot, you have to consider a variety of factors:
Temperature (which we are in a good spot for)
Ability to hold an atmosphere.  Planets like Mars don't quite have enough gravity so it's atmosphere diffuses into space, while gas giants have way too much atmosphere.
Presence of compounds essential to life.  This is arguable since other life forms from other life-sustaining planets might not use water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.  But I'm going to assume you mean ability to sustain human life - we have those compounds in abundance.
Magnetic field - helps your life forms to not get irradiated so much by the sun.  Earth is lucky enough to have a molten core that provides this.

Now, if you put Venus where Earth is, you might get a good temperature for life, but it still has highly reactive compounds on it which would likely destroy self-replicating molecules before they get the chance to be multicellular life forms.  If you put Mars where Earth is, you might have water, but you still wouldn't have much of an atmosphere.

As for knowing the composition of life-sustaining planets, it's impractical to send a probe to every planet, especially with current tech.  We have to do with what tech we have.  Which means looking for planets in the sweet spot using our telescopes.  We aren't looking at their composition, although I think we could probably get some sort of idea of what their atmosphere is with a spectroscopy of the light wavelengths.  We are mainly looking at their position since any planets not in the Goldilocks zone can be quickly ruled out.  We could send probes in the future, but not when our space program is being defunded and privatized.  People don't see the value in our space program anymore, so they only want it to do things they can make money off of.  Of course, you're probably beaming about this because of this big, evil conspiracy you have no proof of.  I mean, I like to play Deus Ex occasionally too, but there is a fine line between rational and irrational conclusions.  This is one of the latter, because of the overwhelming evidence in favor of the space program being real.  If you want me to, I'll list that evidence for you.

Also, saying space travel is simply impossible is a big assumption.  Have you tried to travel in space?  Where's that Zetetic Method?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Zeteticism means that everything you haven't witnessed is a lie.  It means that in order to know something, you have to test it, which doesn't really mesh with all the assumptions in FET.  If you can get enough money to get a private space corporation to take you up into space, you wear your space suit correctly, you see that the Earth is flat (with photographic evidence), and you end up simply crashing down (or the earth "crashing up" into you due to your magical moving everything that isn't a planet, star, or natural satellite) then I'll believe in your theory.  Meanwhile, other people have gone into space, have taken pictures, and didn't have the earth crash into them due to a magical force which they are somehow exempt from.  You just believe it is a conspiracy.

Earth is not 'special' in any sense other than it being very lucky.  You can try to romanticize it if you want to, but at some point you'll have to accept reality.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2013, 11:34:41 AM »
Our Moon is currently thought to be a captured asteroid due to its relative size.  I assume that this is what you mean by 'not naturally formed'.
Incorrect.  It's shape is too circular.  According to current theory, the Moon was formed when a large asteroid or planetary fragment hit the young Earth and sent massive amounts of material into space, which cooled and formed the Moon.

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I said that blue light was absorbed LESS.  As in, red light is absorbed more by the water.
Absorption and scattering are not the same thing.  You need both.

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Now, as for our planet being in the sweet spot, you have to consider a variety of factors:
Temperature (which we are in a good spot for)
Ability to hold an atmosphere.  Planets like Mars don't quite have enough gravity so it's atmosphere diffuses into space, while gas giants have way too much atmosphere.
Presence of compounds essential to life.  This is arguable since other life forms from other life-sustaining planets might not use water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.  But I'm going to assume you mean ability to sustain human life - we have those compounds in abundance.
Magnetic field - helps your life forms to not get irradiated so much by the sun.  Earth is lucky enough to have a molten core that provides this.

Now, if you put Venus where Earth is, you might get a good temperature for life, but it still has highly reactive compounds on it which would likely destroy self-replicating molecules before they get the chance to be multicellular life forms.  If you put Mars where Earth is, you might have water, but you still wouldn't have much of an atmosphere.

As for knowing the composition of life-sustaining planets, it's impractical to send a probe to every planet, especially with current tech.  We have to do with what tech we have.  Which means looking for planets in the sweet spot using our telescopes.  We aren't looking at their composition, although I think we could probably get some sort of idea of what their atmosphere is with a spectroscopy of the light wavelengths.  We are mainly looking at their position since any planets not in the Goldilocks zone can be quickly ruled out.  We could send probes in the future, but not when our space program is being defunded and privatized.  People don't see the value in our space program anymore, so they only want it to do things they can make money off of.  Of course, you're probably beaming about this because of this big, evil conspiracy you have no proof of.  I mean, I like to play Deus Ex occasionally too, but there is a fine line between rational and irrational conclusions.  This is one of the latter, because of the overwhelming evidence in favor of the space program being real.  If you want me to, I'll list that evidence for you.

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Earth is not 'special' in any sense other than it being very lucky.  You can try to romanticize it if you want to, but at some point you'll have to accept reality.
You just listed a bunch of really lucky coincidences.  Combined with the knowledge that, as far as we know, the Earth is unique in that it has life, I'd call that special.  I mean, what are the odds that everything you just said would happen? 


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Also, saying space travel is simply impossible is a big assumption.  Have you tried to travel in space?  Where's that Zetetic Method?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Zeteticism means that everything you haven't witnessed is a lie.  It means that in order to know something, you have to test it, which doesn't really mesh with all the assumptions in FET.
One doesn't need to stuck a fork in an electrical socket to know that electricity will kill you.  Likewise, we don't need to try to go into space because everything we've observed indicates that it's impossible.

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If you can get enough money to get a private space corporation to take you up into space, you wear your space suit correctly, you see that the Earth is flat (with photographic evidence), and you end up simply crashing down (or the earth "crashing up" into you due to your magical moving everything that isn't a planet, star, or natural satellite) then I'll believe in your theory.  Meanwhile, other people have gone into space, have taken pictures, and didn't have the earth crash into them due to a magical force which they are somehow exempt from.  You just believe it is a conspiracy.
Define space because the ISS, even by RE standards, would fall to the ground if they didn't keep pushing it up.  And I'd say that's in space, wouldn't you?:
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2013, 02:55:04 PM »
This post is getting off-topic. My main question was how the other spherical planets were formed, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges. Why isn't Saturn a cube, for example?

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 03:02:36 PM »
This post is getting off-topic. My main question was how the other spherical planets were formed, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges. Why isn't Saturn a cube, for example?

Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?

Other celestial bodies are round because they are bombarded on all sides by the Aetheric whirlpool, while the Earth is flattened by its push.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 09:31:09 PM »

Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?

Other celestial bodies are round because they are bombarded on all sides by the Aetheric whirlpool, while the Earth is flattened by its push.
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Why aren't the other celestial bodies flattened by the whirlpool's push? Why isn't the Earth round, because it is bombarded on all sides by the whirlpool?

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 09:42:22 PM »
because the earth has beyond any reasonable doubt been proven round by scientific experiments and observations. FE is wrong.

People ask questions here to get responses from flat-earth believers.  They do not ask questions to hear what a round-earth believer thinks the answer is or to hear your jaded words about how x or y theory cannot work.  This isn't a warning or anything, I just wanted to make it clear to you that hitting every thread with posts like this benefits no one.  It does not answer their question when you state that earth is round and it's a disingenuous answer when you tell people how we are going to respond.  The only lasting effect is your post count rising by one. 

Also, moved to Q&A.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 10:04:16 PM »

Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?

Other celestial bodies are round because they are bombarded on all sides by the Aetheric whirlpool, while the Earth is flattened by its push.
Why aren't the other celestial bodies flattened by the whirlpool's push? Why isn't the Earth round, because it is bombarded on all sides by the whirlpool?
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The theory is that the UA pushes below the Earth, and in doing so, travels up and across the rim of the disk.  As it collapses on the other side, it makes a sort of whirl pool that causes the celestial bodies to swirl.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2013, 11:18:09 PM »
because the earth has beyond any reasonable doubt been proven round by scientific experiments and observations. FE is wrong.

Really? Scientific experiments have proven the Earth to be round? Please expand on this further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_earth#Summary_of_evidence_for_a_spherical_earth Read this Wikipedia article on the matter. And don't give me any of this nonsense saying "Wikipedia is not reliable" because that is incorrect.
Flat earth theory? Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2013, 11:21:49 PM »
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars?

Ummm...  The Earth is not blue.  The Earth is various colors from white clouds to blue oceans, green and brown land masses and so on.


Really markjo? We are not white, Shaq is not black, and the red planet isn't red. Clouds aren't all white. Not all landmasses are green and/or brown, and yes, all large objects are perceived as consisting of various colours. However, the Earth is supposedly mostly blue according to globularist doctrine, and Mars is commonly referred to as the 'red planet'. These points are neither controversial nor relevant.


What is the point of this post? It has no argumentative substance, other than the most pedantic of points, and one that is not relevant to boot. Please, less of this.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2013, 11:52:25 PM »
Our Moon is currently thought to be a captured asteroid due to its relative size.  I assume that this is what you mean by 'not naturally formed'.
Incorrect.  It's shape is too circular.  According to current theory, the Moon was formed when a large asteroid or planetary fragment hit the young Earth and sent massive amounts of material into space, which cooled and formed the Moon.

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I said that blue light was absorbed LESS.  As in, red light is absorbed more by the water.
Absorption and scattering are not the same thing.  You need both.

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Now, as for our planet being in the sweet spot, you have to consider a variety of factors:
Temperature (which we are in a good spot for)
Ability to hold an atmosphere.  Planets like Mars don't quite have enough gravity so it's atmosphere diffuses into space, while gas giants have way too much atmosphere.
Presence of compounds essential to life.  This is arguable since other life forms from other life-sustaining planets might not use water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.  But I'm going to assume you mean ability to sustain human life - we have those compounds in abundance.
Magnetic field - helps your life forms to not get irradiated so much by the sun.  Earth is lucky enough to have a molten core that provides this.

Now, if you put Venus where Earth is, you might get a good temperature for life, but it still has highly reactive compounds on it which would likely destroy self-replicating molecules before they get the chance to be multicellular life forms.  If you put Mars where Earth is, you might have water, but you still wouldn't have much of an atmosphere.

As for knowing the composition of life-sustaining planets, it's impractical to send a probe to every planet, especially with current tech.  We have to do with what tech we have.  Which means looking for planets in the sweet spot using our telescopes.  We aren't looking at their composition, although I think we could probably get some sort of idea of what their atmosphere is with a spectroscopy of the light wavelengths.  We are mainly looking at their position since any planets not in the Goldilocks zone can be quickly ruled out.  We could send probes in the future, but not when our space program is being defunded and privatized.  People don't see the value in our space program anymore, so they only want it to do things they can make money off of.  Of course, you're probably beaming about this because of this big, evil conspiracy you have no proof of.  I mean, I like to play Deus Ex occasionally too, but there is a fine line between rational and irrational conclusions.  This is one of the latter, because of the overwhelming evidence in favor of the space program being real.  If you want me to, I'll list that evidence for you.

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Earth is not 'special' in any sense other than it being very lucky.  You can try to romanticize it if you want to, but at some point you'll have to accept reality.
You just listed a bunch of really lucky coincidences.  Combined with the knowledge that, as far as we know, the Earth is unique in that it has life, I'd call that special.  I mean, what are the odds that everything you just said would happen? 


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Also, saying space travel is simply impossible is a big assumption.  Have you tried to travel in space?  Where's that Zetetic Method?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Zeteticism means that everything you haven't witnessed is a lie.  It means that in order to know something, you have to test it, which doesn't really mesh with all the assumptions in FET.
One doesn't need to stuck a fork in an electrical socket to know that electricity will kill you.  Likewise, we don't need to try to go into space because everything we've observed indicates that it's impossible.

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If you can get enough money to get a private space corporation to take you up into space, you wear your space suit correctly, you see that the Earth is flat (with photographic evidence), and you end up simply crashing down (or the earth "crashing up" into you due to your magical moving everything that isn't a planet, star, or natural satellite) then I'll believe in your theory.  Meanwhile, other people have gone into space, have taken pictures, and didn't have the earth crash into them due to a magical force which they are somehow exempt from.  You just believe it is a conspiracy.
Define space because the ISS, even by RE standards, would fall to the ground if they didn't keep pushing it up.  And I'd say that's in space, wouldn't you?:

The moon was formed when a mars-sized body collided with Earth.  If only that much is left of it, odds are its remains would gravitate into a round sphere since it obviously got blown to bits anyway.

As for Earth being special, just because a bunch of things happened together doesn't mean they happened together for any reason in particular.  We just feel that it is out of pride since we are on it.

Please tell me what you have observed that tells us space travel is impossible.  People have actually been performing space travel, and you continue to deny it because accepting it would mean actually accepting the fact that the world isn't flat, and that there is no global conspiracy to cover it up.

Space is defined as 50 miles above sea level.  And saying the ISS would fall down is almost like saying the moon would crash down too.  Satellites go at a speed where the centrifugal force counteracts gravity.  Of course, this concept requires a round Earth to work!  And we see satellites if we look for them in the right places.  Hell, I've even seen the ISS over my house one time.  That would be me observing proof that Earth must be round!

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 07:52:44 AM »
Also, Earth is blue because blue light is scattered more than the other wavelengths, not just because it's absorbed.
You still didn't answer why it's blue.  Why is it that Earth has an atmosphere that scatters blue light?  What makes it special compared to Venus and Mars?

Ummm...  The Earth is not blue.  The Earth is various colors from white clouds to blue oceans, green and brown land masses and so on.


Really markjo? We are not white, Shaq is not black, and the red planet isn't red. Clouds aren't all white. Not all landmasses are green and/or brown, and yes, all large objects are perceived as consisting of various colours. However, the Earth is supposedly mostly blue according to globularist doctrine, and Mars is commonly referred to as the 'red planet'. These points are neither controversial nor relevant.


What is the point of this post? It has no argumentative substance, other than the most pedantic of points, and one that is not relevant to boot. Please, less of this.

My post is about as relevant as the whole "why is the earth unique?" argument.  The fact is that the more we study the heavens, the more we find that the (round) earth is not unique.  Even many FE'ers (including yourself) believe in some sort of life forms existing on the moon, so why is the "earth is unique because it has life" FE argument still around?
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 09:20:38 AM »
The moon was formed when a mars-sized body collided with Earth.  If only that much is left of it, odds are its remains would gravitate into a round sphere since it obviously got blown to bits anyway.
So not a captured asteroid.  You seem to be contradicting yourself more often then I'd expect.  Are you really sure the Earth is round?


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As for Earth being special, just because a bunch of things happened together doesn't mean they happened together for any reason in particular.  We just feel that it is out of pride since we are on it.
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: distinguished by some unusual quality; especially : being in some way superior <our special blend>
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: held in particular esteem <a special friend>
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a : readily distinguishable from others of the same category : unique <they set it apart as a special day of thanksgiving>
b : of, relating to, or constituting a species : specific
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: being other than the usual : additional, extra
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: designed for a particular purpose or occasion
1. Yep.  We're distinguished by the fact that we have all the stuff you just mentioned.
2. It's held in esteem by humans.
3. The Earth is easily distinguished from all the other bodies in our solar system by a quick glance.
4. The Usual is a lifeless rock of extremely hot or cold gas.
5. If you believe in God, this also fits.

So why aren't we special again?

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Please tell me what you have observed that tells us space travel is impossible.  People have actually been performing space travel, and you continue to deny it because accepting it would mean actually accepting the fact that the world isn't flat, and that there is no global conspiracy to cover it up.
I have observed the Earth is flat.  A flat Earth can't have orbit and therefore the ISS can't be floating above us.

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Space is defined as 50 miles above sea level.  And saying the ISS would fall down is almost like saying the moon would crash down too.  Satellites go at a speed where the centrifugal force counteracts gravity.  Of course, this concept requires a round Earth to work!  And we see satellites if we look for them in the right places.  Hell, I've even seen the ISS over my house one time.  That would be me observing proof that Earth must be round!
You've seen what looks like the ISS but many technologies and tricks of light can fool you.  It's also been known that if you tell someone a distant object is something, they'll see it even though they really can't.
The same principal applies to sound.  If you know what a sound is, you can identify it easier than not such as voices.  If I were to say that we'll play your favorite song on the radio but turn the sound down too low for you to hear most of the words, your brain will fill in the gaps and you'll hear an uninterrupted song.

Heck, it's not much different than your brain filling in the blind spot on your eye. 
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 09:27:18 AM »
What is the point of this post? It has no argumentative substance, other than the most pedantic of points, and one that is not relevant to boot.

I sometimes wonder if markjo is capable of better.  I used to think so, but for months now, perhaps even years, he's been stuck on silly, irrelevant or barely relevant one-liners.

Honestly, markjo, you seem bored.  Why not take a little break?  Maybe your contributions will be more constructive if you are able to get rid of the cobwebs.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2013, 09:50:01 AM »
I sometimes wonder if markjo is capable of better. 

That's alright.  Sometimes I wonder if FE'ers are capable of better.  Sadly, I'm coming to the realization the answer is most likely no.
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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2013, 10:06:56 AM »
Lorddave, I encourage you to break out your telescope and look for some satellites.  This site has a large list of them and their orbits:
http://www.heavens-above.com/

Here's another one that just started flashing morse code signals down to Earth about 1 month ago today:
http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=fitsat#MAP

I'd also like for you to tell me about these technologies that make fake satellites look like they are there.  This would include mapping out a satellite's path onto your flat earth map.

You also cannot challenge the existence of satellites just because of a single observation without trying to challenge your observation first.  You are saying "I have observed the Earth being flat.  I have also heard of satellites, which would contradict my observation.  I think the satellites don't really exist because of my observation, and I don't need to test this theory.".  I am saying "I have observed satellites orbiting.  I have also heard of an experiment which concluded that there was a flat Earth.  I think there might have been interference from a number of factors that influenced the results of this experiment, such as tides or measurement inaccuracy.  This is supported by the fact that many others have performed similar experiments and concluded that Earth is round, each of which carries the same weight as the one experiment that concluded that Earth is flat."

I never said that the Mars-sized object was not an asteroid.  The point is that it is a captured object.  You seem to be evading this point.

And as for Earth being special, we could apply the same process to any other planet.  For example, Jupiter:
 - Largest planet in our solar system.  This is our distinguishing unusual quality that is in some way superior.
 - It could also be held in esteem for this.
 - Its size makes it immediately distinguishable.
 - The usual is a smaller planet.
 - As an atheist, I'm going to leave 5 alone.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 12:11:10 PM »
because the earth has beyond any reasonable doubt been proven round by scientific experiments and observations. FE is wrong.

Really? Scientific experiments have proven the Earth to be round? Please expand on this further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_earth#Summary_of_evidence_for_a_spherical_earth Read this Wikipedia article on the matter. And don't give me any of this nonsense saying "Wikipedia is not reliable" because that is incorrect.

That's the list every angry noob gives us when they join and every video 'disproving' a flat Earth gives. It's essentially based on the idea that everything is identical between the two theories except for the shape of the Earth, which is patently untrue. I'm sorry, but I really don't feel like going through it yet again. Can it be sufficient that we answer those questions constantly?


Why are the other planets round? Why isn't the Earth round? How did the others become round, with no gravity to smooth out rough edges? How did the Earth become flat?

Other celestial bodies are round because they are bombarded on all sides by the Aetheric whirlpool, while the Earth is flattened by its push.
Why aren't the other celestial bodies flattened by the whirlpool's push? Why isn't the Earth round, because it is bombarded on all sides by the whirlpool?
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The whirlpool is above the Earth and caused by it, not surrounded by it.

Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2013, 08:07:06 PM »
Is life a direct result of the shape of a planet?

Do you see life on any triangle-shaped planets? Duuuuh.

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Re: Why are the other planets round?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2013, 08:26:01 PM »
Lorddave, I encourage you to break out your telescope and look for some satellites.  This site has a large list of them and their orbits:
http://www.heavens-above.com/

Here's another one that just started flashing morse code signals down to Earth about 1 month ago today:
http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=fitsat#MAP

I'd also like for you to tell me about these technologies that make fake satellites look like they are there.  This would include mapping out a satellite's path onto your flat earth map.

You also cannot challenge the existence of satellites just because of a single observation without trying to challenge your observation first.  You are saying "I have observed the Earth being flat.  I have also heard of satellites, which would contradict my observation.  I think the satellites don't really exist because of my observation, and I don't need to test this theory.".  I am saying "I have observed satellites orbiting.  I have also heard of an experiment which concluded that there was a flat Earth.  I think there might have been interference from a number of factors that influenced the results of this experiment, such as tides or measurement inaccuracy.  This is supported by the fact that many others have performed similar experiments and concluded that Earth is round, each of which carries the same weight as the one experiment that concluded that Earth is flat."

I never said that the Mars-sized object was not an asteroid.  The point is that it is a captured object.  You seem to be evading this point.

And as for Earth being special, we could apply the same process to any other planet.  For example, Jupiter:
 - Largest planet in our solar system.  This is our distinguishing unusual quality that is in some way superior.
 - It could also be held in esteem for this.
 - Its size makes it immediately distinguishable.
 - The usual is a smaller planet.
 - As an atheist, I'm going to leave 5 alone.

This utter nonsense is demonstrably false and deliberately dissembling!

Oh gee, is there a giant whirlpool in the middle of space? YES YES YES!  ??? Its right in front of our pancake planet! Why didn't you think of this?
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