Moon conspiracy

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #90 on: November 18, 2012, 09:08:40 AM »
Yes I know, I just question whether a bomb could detonate in the vacuum of space.
And, as always, you end up with an argument of incredulity, as if your opinion on a matter that you have not studied or experimented on could be valid in any way whatsoever.
Have you see a bomb detonate in the vacuum of space?
I have seen a super-fast combustion occurring in space. From there to an explosion, it is only a small step.
Have you really?
What kind of bomb caused this?
I would guess that he's referring to a rocket engine, which is often described as a controlled explosion.
Exactly. I have followed, as thousands of other people also have, the launching of a rocket as far as a telescope can show it, which is well into outer space. In fact, after just a few seconds the rockets are already in air that is so thin that not even airplanes can fly on it, and instead of faltering, the rockets accelerate even faster than just after launch.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2012, 09:11:22 AM »
Yes I know, I just question whether a bomb could detonate in the vacuum of space.
And, as always, you end up with an argument of incredulity, as if your opinion on a matter that you have not studied or experimented on could be valid in any way whatsoever.
Have you see a bomb detonate in the vacuum of space?
I have seen a super-fast combustion occurring in space. From there to an explosion, it is only a small step.
Have you really?
What kind of bomb caused this?
I would guess that he's referring to a rocket engine, which is often described as a controlled explosion.
You are guessing he's seen a rocket engine working in space?

This can't be right as he describes a super fast combustion and then an explosion.
A rockets fuel simply ignites and then burns , in Earth's atmosphere of course.

Sceptimatic, I think you should admit defeat here. It's getting ridiculous.

Insisting that nothing would happen to two objects between a bomb simply because you feel you must is stupid. I will try and explain this very simply as you have often requested. The energy is in the bomb, when the bomb explodes it releases energy. The energy is transferred to the objects and moves the objects.

You said you accept that something thrown in space would travel forever if uninterrupted. It's the same principal. The energy is in the arm that throws. Just as it is in the bomb. It is transferred from one to the other.

That you think objects either side of the bomb would be unaffected suggests you think that the vacuum is actually full of stuff. Enough stuff to hold the objects in place despite the energy from the bomb pushing against them. Quite contradictory.

If you argue that an explosion cannot occur in a vacuum then you are also wrong. Explosions happen all the time in space, supernovae for example.

Again, all the energy is contained within the star, bomb, arm, rocket, whatever. A firework will even work underwater simply because it carries its own supply of oxygen within its gunpowder. It carries its own energy, which can be transferred.

The vacuum cannot contain or stop the explosion as it seems you are suggesting it can.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #92 on: November 18, 2012, 09:12:56 AM »
... a super fast combustion and then an explosion.
And please learn some reading skills. Science requires at least High School level reading skills. The explosion you are mentioning exists only in your neurons.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #93 on: November 18, 2012, 10:26:16 AM »
You don't know what the vacuum of space can do. Fireworks working under water is on Earth not in the vacuum of space.
You are just going on what you have been told to accept.
Once and for all, tell us what do you expect the vacuum of space to have. Vacuum is absence of atoms. Vacuum in a bottle and vacuum in outer space lack of the exact same thing you are saying that changes the Laws of Newton: air.

So, does outer space lack a different kind of air than vacuum in a vacuum chamber? What specific thing is one kind of vacuum lacking that the other kind does not lack? Are you telling us that it is a magical property, which manifests itself only to you?

Or are you in dire need of somebody who will explain to you in simple enough words what the lack of atoms means?

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #94 on: November 18, 2012, 10:37:18 AM »
Exactly. I have followed, as thousands of other people also have, the launching of a rocket as far as a telescope can show it, which is well into outer space. In fact, after just a few seconds the rockets are already in air that is so thin that not even airplanes can fly on it, and instead of faltering, the rockets accelerate even faster than just after launch.

So you have seen a rocket go high into the sky. What are you trying to prove here?

I'm talking about the vacuum of space, not high in the sky.

You don't seem to be very good at understanding what people tell you. I don't think we are getting anywhere doing this, and now you seem to imply that you do not believe in atoms?

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #95 on: November 18, 2012, 10:49:13 AM »
Nope, I'm saying he mentions a super fast combustion and then an explosion.
Once the fuel combusts, it just burns, so I'm gathering it's not a rocket he's talking about.

No, this is what he said.
I have seen a super-fast combustion occurring in space. From there to an explosion, it is only a small step.

He is clearly saying that there is only a small difference between super-fast combustion and an explosion.  Countless videos of rockets exploding prove this point.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2012, 10:50:59 AM by markjo »
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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #96 on: November 18, 2012, 10:51:18 AM »
Exactly. I have followed, as thousands of other people also have, the launching of a rocket as far as a telescope can show it, which is well into outer space. In fact, after just a few seconds the rockets are already in air that is so thin that not even airplanes can fly on it, and instead of faltering, the rockets accelerate even faster than just after launch.

So you have seen a rocket go high into the sky. What are you trying to prove here?

I'm talking about the vacuum of space, not high in the sky.

You don't seem to be very good at understanding what people tell you. I don't think we are getting anywhere doing this, and now you seem to imply that you do not believe in atoms?
I believe in things that can been seen.
Have you seen an atom?

So now you don't believe atoms?

Have you ever seen Sweden? If not I presume you don't believe in that either?

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #97 on: November 18, 2012, 10:56:07 AM »
Exactly. I have followed, as thousands of other people also have, the launching of a rocket as far as a telescope can show it, which is well into outer space. In fact, after just a few seconds the rockets are already in air that is so thin that not even airplanes can fly on it, and instead of faltering, the rockets accelerate even faster than just after launch.

So you have seen a rocket go high into the sky. What are you trying to prove here?

I'm talking about the vacuum of space, not high in the sky.

You don't seem to be very good at understanding what people tell you. I don't think we are getting anywhere doing this, and now you seem to imply that you do not believe in atoms?

Fair enough. It all depends on how people interpret the word explosion.

The fact is, he hasn't seen it in space. Just high up in the sky.


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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #98 on: November 18, 2012, 10:58:31 AM »
What I cannot do, is see an atom and neither can you or anyone else on this planet.

Guess again.

http://pinktentacle.com/2008/10/atomic-pen-writes-with-individual-atoms/
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An Osaka University research team has demonstrated an "atomic pen" that can inscribe nano-sized text on metal by manipulating individual atoms on the surface.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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markjo

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2012, 11:07:48 AM »
Give me a break will you. You are making me laugh now.
That's okay, I've been laughing at you for days.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2012, 11:08:45 AM »
Give me a break will you. You are making me laugh now.
That's okay, I've been laughing at you for days.

i cant laugh as my face hurts through face palming like a boss

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2012, 11:25:57 AM »
Exactly. I have followed, as thousands of other people also have, the launching of a rocket as far as a telescope can show it, which is well into outer space. In fact, after just a few seconds the rockets are already in air that is so thin that not even airplanes can fly on it, and instead of faltering, the rockets accelerate even faster than just after launch.

So you have seen a rocket go high into the sky. What are you trying to prove here?

I'm talking about the vacuum of space, not high in the sky.

You don't seem to be very good at understanding what people tell you. I don't think we are getting anywhere doing this, and now you seem to imply that you do not believe in atoms?
I believe in things that can been seen.
Have you seen an atom?

So now you don't believe atoms?

Have you ever seen Sweden? If not I presume you don't believe in that either?
I've been to many places and many places I haven't but if I wanted to , I could get on a plane and go there and see for myself.

What I cannot do, is see an atom and neither can you or anyone else on this planet.

If you had enough money you could fly in a b2 to the edge of space or indeed go into space with the Russians. A few very wealthy people already have


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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2012, 11:31:59 AM »
Give me a break will you. You are making me laugh now.
That's okay, I've been laughing at you for days.
No bother.

Face it. The other FE'ers have abandoned you. The fight is over. The ridiculous belief in FE cannot stand up against science, reason, logic, evidence or even plain old common sense. It is the most backward belief in all the stupidity of the Internet combined. You are arguing against things that have been known for hundreds, and in some cases thousands of years.

Let it go man... You will be better for it. Trust us. There is a big round world out there. Accept it and be happy.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2012, 05:24:45 PM »
I'm an not a flat Earther.

You should be.  You would fit right in.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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mexicanwave

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #104 on: November 19, 2012, 06:44:58 AM »
I'm an not a flat Earther.

You should be.  You would fit right in.
I take it you go with a rotating Earth.

The rotating Earth is the most ridiculous theory of all other theories about what Earth actually is and does.
How people can go with a 1040 mph spinning Earth astounds me but each to their own.

Can I ask why you think a rotating earth is so ridiculous?
Why is a '1040mph spinning earth' so astounding?


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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #105 on: November 19, 2012, 07:25:45 AM »
I'm an not a flat Earther.

You should be.  You would fit right in.
I take it you go with a rotating Earth.

The rotating Earth is the most ridiculous theory of all other theories about what Earth actually is and does.
How people can go with a 1040 mph spinning Earth astounds me but each to their own.

Can I ask why you think a rotating earth is so ridiculous?
Why is a '1040mph spinning earth' so astounding?
My own body from eyes to balance tells me the rotating Earth is BS.

Like I explained before. You have to accept that an atmosphere can grip a solid  and rotate with it in unison whilst we go about our business.

Just look around you , you do not need to be told it spins, it should be absolute common sense that it does not spin.

Why should it be common sense? Because I can't see it or feel it spinning?

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2012, 07:29:19 AM »
I'm an not a flat Earther.

You should be.  You would fit right in.
I take it you go with a rotating Earth.

The rotating Earth is the most ridiculous theory of all other theories about what Earth actually is and does.
How people can go with a 1040 mph spinning Earth astounds me but each to their own.

Can I ask why you think a rotating earth is so ridiculous?
Why is a '1040mph spinning earth' so astounding?
My own body from eyes to balance tells me the rotating Earth is BS.

Like I explained before. You have to accept that an atmosphere can grip a solid  and rotate with it in unison whilst we go about our business.

Just look around you , you do not need to be told it spins, it should be absolute common sense that it does not spin.

Why should it be common sense? Because I can't see it or feel it spinning?
Yep.

Plus it requires an atmosphere to grip a solid and rotate with that solid at exactly the same speed.
Don't get me wrong here... if you want to go with that, then I'm in no position to change your mind. I just personally think it's the most none-sense theory out of any other theory.

Really?
When you are in an aeroplane do you feel yourself moving at 500+mph?


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mexicanwave

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2012, 07:59:10 AM »
I'm an not a flat Earther.

You should be.  You would fit right in.
I take it you go with a rotating Earth.

The rotating Earth is the most ridiculous theory of all other theories about what Earth actually is and does.
How people can go with a 1040 mph spinning Earth astounds me but each to their own.

Can I ask why you think a rotating earth is so ridiculous?
Why is a '1040mph spinning earth' so astounding?
My own body from eyes to balance tells me the rotating Earth is BS.

Like I explained before. You have to accept that an atmosphere can grip a solid  and rotate with it in unison whilst we go about our business.

Just look around you , you do not need to be told it spins, it should be absolute common sense that it does not spin.

Why should it be common sense? Because I can't see it or feel it spinning?
Yep.

Plus it requires an atmosphere to grip a solid and rotate with that solid at exactly the same speed.
Don't get me wrong here... if you want to go with that, then I'm in no position to change your mind. I just personally think it's the most none-sense theory out of any other theory.

Really?
When you are in an aeroplane do you feel yourself moving at 500+mph?
No...

Because you are surrounded by an aluminium skin as a barrier to the atmosphere outside.

We are told to accept that the Earth's atmosphere grips the solid Earth and moves with it at the same speed.
It's absolute none-sense.

Yet you feel the acceleration as you take off. Why does the aluminium barrier not shield you from this?

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2012, 10:16:32 AM »
No...

Because you are surrounded by an aluminium skin as a barrier to the atmosphere outside.

We are told to accept that the Earth's atmosphere grips the solid Earth and moves with it at the same speed.
It's absolute none-sense.

We have already told you how it works, remember? gravity? friction? remember that you didn't know how friction worked and we told you about the experiment with the glass and the water?
We also talked about how the earth atmosphere is surrounded by vacuum so there is no friction outside making it slow down or wear off from earth. Remember how after tens of messages you finally understood it but said that you didn't want to believe it anyway? so it was a huge waste of time.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2012, 10:38:57 AM »
I understood what you and others theories were from the off but you are twisting it now.

You are mentioning the vacuum but I'm talking about an atmosphere supposedly gripping a solid Earth .
I honestly and truthfully cannot understand how people can go along with this theory, it's crazy.

This Earth is stationary and the theory I go with.

Not twisting it, we also covered that in the discussion, gravity, remember? gravity plus friction makes earth atmosphere moving with the earth. How the atmosphere grips the solid earth? friction, glass or ball experiment.

Anyway, just letting mexicanwave know.

Let me put this to you.
If you grew up without the benefit of anyone telling you anything or the benefit of reading books, watching videos or anything else and I came up to you and asked you to lay back and watch the Sun all day, I then asked you what you observed....you would tell me that the Sun is moving in the sky.
There is no way in hell you would tell me that you can see/feel the Earth spinning.

Well, to start i would observe how my vision disappears. Ok, so that is were the ancient myths came from, why is this huge shinning ball moving around us? why does lava come out of rocks? etc etc. Who and how do you think discovered the earth is spinning around the sun? a scientist in white coat that learned it from another in his science class at school? (note how that doesnt makes sense) Of course not, it was made based on observation and experimentation, not lying on the ground all day watching the sun and wondering. No, that is how myths are made.
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mexicanwave

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2012, 10:46:24 AM »
No...

Because you are surrounded by an aluminium skin as a barrier to the atmosphere outside.

We are told to accept that the Earth's atmosphere grips the solid Earth and moves with it at the same speed.
It's absolute none-sense.

We have already told you how it works, remember? gravity? friction? remember that you didn't know how friction worked and we told you about the experiment with the glass and the water?
We also talked about how the earth atmosphere is surrounded by vacuum so there is no friction outside making it slow down or wear off from earth. Remember how after tens of messages you finally understood it but said that you didn't want to believe it anyway? so it was a huge waste of time.
I understood what you and others theories were from the off but you are twisting it now.

You are mentioning the vacuum but I'm talking about an atmosphere supposedly gripping a solid Earth .
I honestly and truthfully cannot understand how people can go along with this theory, it's crazy.

This Earth is stationary and the theory I go with.

Let me put this to you.
If you grew up without the benefit of anyone telling you anything or the benefit of reading books, watching videos or anything else and I came up to you and asked you to lay back and watch the Sun all day, I then asked you what you observed....you would tell me that the Sun is moving in the sky.
There is no way in hell you would tell me that you can see/feel the Earth spinning.

Not twisting it, we also covered that in the discussion, gravity, remember? gravity plus friction makes earth atmosphere moving with the earth. How the atmosphere grips the solid earth? friction, glass or ball experiment.

Anyway, just letting mexicanwave know.

Thanks man... I'm losing the will with sceptimatic.

Seems if I ask enough questions of his theories he eventually contradicts himself though.

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mexicanwave

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2012, 02:08:56 PM »
No...

Because you are surrounded by an aluminium skin as a barrier to the atmosphere outside.

We are told to accept that the Earth's atmosphere grips the solid Earth and moves with it at the same speed.
It's absolute none-sense.

We have already told you how it works, remember? gravity? friction? remember that you didn't know how friction worked and we told you about the experiment with the glass and the water?
We also talked about how the earth atmosphere is surrounderd by vacuum so there is no friction outside making it slow down or wear off from earth. Remember how after tens of messages you finally understood it but said that you didn't want to believe it anyway? so it was a huge waste of time.
I understood what you and others theories were from the off but you are twisting it now.

You are mentioning the vacuum but I'm talking about an atmosphere supposedly gripping a solid Earth .
I honestly and truthfully cannot understand how people can go along with this theory, it's crazy.

This Earth is stationary and the theory I go with.

Let me put this to you.
If you grew up without the benefit of anyone telling you anything or the benefit of reading books, watching videos or anything else and I came up to you and asked you to lay back and watch the Sun all day, I then asked you what you observed....you would tell me that the Sun is moving in the sky.
There is no way in hell you would tell me that you can see/feel the Earth spinning.

Not twisting it, we also covered that in the discussion, gravity, remember? gravity plus friction makes earth atmosphere moving with the earth. How the atmosphere grips the solid earth? friction, glass or ball experiment.

Anyway, just letting mexicanwave know.

Thanks man... I'm losing the will with sceptimatic.

Seems if I ask enough questions of his theories he eventually contradicts himself though.
How am I contradicting myself?

I think quoting Buzz Aldrin whilst stating that you know 'for an absolute fact' that no one has landed on the moon is rather contradictory.

On the other thread.

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2012, 02:43:27 PM »
He quoted a liar telling a lie.What is the problem?
God is real.                                         
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9665708/Flat-Earth-Bible-02-of-10-The-Flat-Earth

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Re: Moon conspiracy
« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2012, 02:45:47 PM »
He quoted a liar telling a lie.What is the problem?


Another Victory for the moon landing!
Thank you hoppy!