The Lake Maracaibo repeat of the Bedford Level experiment

Quote from: Lorddave on October 10, 2012, 06:07:56 PM

Quote from: Dino on October 09, 2012, 07:10:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on October 09, 2012, 05:05:57 PM

If you had no official participation in the project, then what were you doing there?

I was a consultant for an unrelated project in the area. Lake Maracaibo is a huge oilfield and the Bedford Level experiment was something some oil workers did on a good weather day at the instruction of one of the captains. Several of the guys working on the project were guys I was working with. They had no problem with my observing, but because it was proprietary I couldn't take pictures. That's typical on Lake Maracaibo jobs whether it has anything to do with the shape of the Earth or not.

Seems rather odd to me to stop work on pumping oil and do a pointless experiment.  An experiment done by someone other than scientists.

When did I say that the experiment was done by someone other than scientists? Do you not consider geologists to be scientists.

Nobody stopped "pumping oil" and if you think that experiment was pointless you are in the wrong place.

Right when you failed to say who did the experiment.
Also: geologists are not well suited for this kind of experiment. So why would the government send them (via the captain of one rig) instead of a dedicated team with the specialty for this type of experiment?

Quote from: Dino on October 11, 2012, 09:46:04 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on October 10, 2012, 06:07:56 PM

Quote from: Dino on October 09, 2012, 07:10:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on October 09, 2012, 05:05:57 PM

If you had no official participation in the project, then what were you doing there?

I was a consultant for an unrelated project in the area. Lake Maracaibo is a huge oilfield and the Bedford Level experiment was something some oil workers did on a good weather day at the instruction of one of the captains. Several of the guys working on the project were guys I was working with. They had no problem with my observing, but because it was proprietary I couldn't take pictures. That's typical on Lake Maracaibo jobs whether it has anything to do with the shape of the Earth or not.

Seems rather odd to me to stop work on pumping oil and do a pointless experiment.  An experiment done by someone other than scientists.

When did I say that the experiment was done by someone other than scientists? Do you not consider geologists to be scientists.

Nobody stopped "pumping oil" and if you think that experiment was pointless you are in the wrong place.

Right when you failed to say who did the experiment.
Also: geologists are not well suited for this kind of experiment. So why would the government send them (via the captain of one rig) instead of a dedicated team with the specialty for this type of experiment?

Dude, you make weird assumptions.

correct me if I am wrong, but would a team of trained surveyors that have professional training, be better at this sort of thing?

I mean why would you send fire fighter to a burglary when you can send a police man?

   

correct me if I am wrong, but would a team of trained surveyors that have professional training, be better at this sort of thing?

I mean why would you send fire fighter to a burglary when you can send a police man?

 

Part of a team which specializes in subsea engineering did the experiment. I don't know why you people think they would not be competent enough for this. 

Quote from: BoatswainsMate on October 11, 2012, 01:15:30 PM

correct me if I am wrong, but would a team of trained surveyors that have professional training, be better at this sort of thing?

I mean why would you send fire fighter to a burglary when you can send a police man?

 

Part of a team which specializes in subsea engineering did the experiment. I don't know why you people think they would not be competent enough for this. 

Subsea engineers did a bedford level experiment on the surface of a huge lake that has perfectly still water and were sent to do this experiment from an oil rig, but they were also oil workers, who also just so happened to be contracted to do this by the government, and they allowed you to see it while you were working on an unrelated project, but they didn't release any of their findings for peer review, just you?

This is good. Continue on.

Quote from: Dino on October 11, 2012, 01:33:53 PM

Quote from: BoatswainsMate on October 11, 2012, 01:15:30 PM

correct me if I am wrong, but would a team of trained surveyors that have professional training, be better at this sort of thing?

I mean why would you send fire fighter to a burglary when you can send a police man?

 

Part of a team which specializes in subsea engineering did the experiment. I don't know why you people think they would not be competent enough for this. 

Subsea engineers did a bedford level experiment on the surface of a huge lake that has perfectly still water and were sent to do this experiment from an oil rig, but they were also oil workers, who also just so happened to be contracted to do this by the government, and they allowed you to see it while you were working on an unrelated project, but they didn't release any of their findings for peer review, just you?

This is good. Continue on.

Who do you think oil workers are? People standing around physically pumping oil out of the ground? Who do you think contracts anything to get done in Venezuela other than the government of Venezuela?

Here is what really happened.  Surveyors were simply surveying the lake and Dino made up the rest. Geological surveying would play a big part in the oil industry. The surveyors weren't checking to see if the Earth was flat. They were just doing what they are paid to do.  That is why there is no evidence.  There would be no point to take a picture of a surveyors daily job.

Surveyors do the same thing for the mining industry.     

Here is what really happened.  Surveyors were simply surveying the lake and Dino made up the rest. Geological surveying would play a big part in the oil industry. The surveyors weren't checking to see if the Earth was flat. They were just doing what they are paid to do.  That is why there is no evidence.  There would be no point to take a picture of a surveyors daily job.

Surveyors do the same thing for the mining industry.   

You come the closest to understanding what was going on but keep in mind that Chavez believes in the theory of abiogenic oil, which means a lot of oil may not come from dinosaur bone. The theory is controversial and implies there may be a lot more oil in the ground than thought conventionally. It also implies the geology is different than conventionally understood. Many things are thrown into question and questioning Round Earth theory is the next logical step.  They were willing to try the Bedford Level experiment as an experiment. What I know about the results I know from a friend who worked on it. I witnessed the survey but couldn't "see" the results with my own eyes.

yeah so like i said what you are talking is utter crap. yet again. you didn't actually know what was going on you just came to your own conclusions.

reminds of this other thing you bang on about daily....

You come the closest to understanding what was going on but keep in mind that Chavez believes in the theory of abiogenic oil, which means a lot of oil may not come from dinosaur bone. The theory is controversial and implies there may be a lot more oil in the ground than thought conventionally. It also implies the geology is different than conventionally understood. Many things are thrown into question and questioning Round Earth theory is the next logical step.  They were willing to try the Bedford Level experiment as an experiment. What I know about the results I know from a friend who worked on it. I witnessed the survey but couldn't "see" the results with my own eyes.

I think I said something pretty similar before, ie "It strikes me as possible that you did witness some kind of testing done for some kind of internal purposes, where there's nothing interesting to report to the rest of the world."

Could perhaps your friend join and explain the purpose and results of the experiment for us, so it isn't as filtered through your particular viewpoint?

What a load of cobblers.

I live in maracaibo and I didn't heard anything about the experiment :C I would loved to watch it

This 'experiment' sounds more feasible to be a lie than anything Nasa have done.

Just saying.

Yeah it's really rare for a  proprietary test to take place with observers yet no press release.

Everything in your world has press releases?

Everything in science is done by publishing your methods and results for peer review.  As it is, you have nothing at all.

Quite amusing that your story fell apart on page 2, I thought you'd make it to page 4 at least - it was a good start.

You do know that Venezuela actually operates two satellites don't you?  China launched it's second for them 2 months ago:

http://www.cnn.co.uk/2012/09/29/world/americas/china-venezuela-satellite/index.html

They now have a telecoms and an observation satellite.  What's this about?  They in on this global conspiracy with China, the USA, Russia etc?  Or are they going to blow the whole thing open?  Check out how many countries have a space program:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_agencies

Anyway, you'd think if a the government of a large, oil rich, nation wanted to show that the earth was flat, it would be fairly trivial.  They wouldn't need top secret Bedford experiments (lol)  - they could just fly to the ice wall, or past the end of the official map to show the infinite plane.  Or whatever flavour of lunacy is your choice.  They probably wouldn't be launching satellites.