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asd123

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Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« on: September 12, 2012, 07:05:04 PM »
According to the flat earth map, Sydney and Buenos Aires are basically opposite to each other. It will take at least 30 hours for such flight.

So, why does it only takes 14 hrs 25 mins for such flight? It is a schedule flight and you can travel between these two places 3 times a week.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 08:44:33 PM »
Quote from: asd123 on September 12, 2012, 07:05:04 PM
According to the flat earth map, Sydney and Buenos Aires are basically opposite to each other. It will take at least 30 hours for such flight.

So, why does it only takes 14 hrs 25 mins for such flight? It is a schedule flight and you can travel between these two places 3 times a week.

Which flat map? There are two.
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asd123

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 08:57:29 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 12, 2012, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: asd123 on September 12, 2012, 07:05:04 PM
According to the flat earth map, Sydney and Buenos Aires are basically opposite to each other. It will take at least 30 hours for such flight.

So, why does it only takes 14 hrs 25 mins for such flight? It is a schedule flight and you can travel between these two places 3 times a week.

Which flat map? There are two.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Flat_earth.jpg/220px-Flat_earth.jpg
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 09:30:02 PM »
Check out the other map. Sydney and Buenos Aries are a bit closer together:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Layout_of_the_Continents
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asd123

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 11:35:17 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 12, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
Check out the other map. Sydney and Buenos Aries are a bit closer together:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Layout_of_the_Continents

In the "other map" (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/images/c/c2/Altmap.png)  you mentioned, the distance between Sydney and Hong Kong is much longer than the distance between Hong Kong to London.

Why would it only takes 8 hrs 45 mins from Sydney to Hong Kong while it takes 12 hours to get from Hong Kong to London?
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2012, 05:53:35 AM »
Quote from: asd123 on September 12, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 12, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
Check out the other map. Sydney and Buenos Aries are a bit closer together:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Layout_of_the_Continents

In the "other map" (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/images/c/c2/Altmap.png)  you mentioned, the distance between Sydney and Hong Kong is much longer than the distance between Hong Kong to London.

Why would it only takes 8 hrs 45 mins from Sydney to Hong Kong while it takes 12 hours to get from Hong Kong to London?

If you search from Sydney to Hong Kong on Orbitz.com it says that it will take upwards of 13 hours.



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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 01:38:36 PM »
Tom, you are not answering the question itself, I'm waiting for a response.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2012, 02:37:06 PM »
Quote from: lmb32 on September 13, 2012, 01:38:36 PM
Tom, you are not answering the question itself, I'm waiting for a response.

I don't support that map anymore. I find that the bi-polar model is a truer representation of the earth.
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asd123

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2012, 06:25:08 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: lmb32 on September 13, 2012, 01:38:36 PM
Tom, you are not answering the question itself, I'm waiting for a response.

I don't support that map anymore. I find that the bi-polar model is a truer representation of the earth.

So there is no unified model for flat earth?
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asd123

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 06:32:30 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 05:53:35 AM
Quote from: asd123 on September 12, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 12, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
Check out the other map. Sydney and Buenos Aries are a bit closer together:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Layout_of_the_Continents

In the "other map" (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/images/c/c2/Altmap.png)  you mentioned, the distance between Sydney and Hong Kong is much longer than the distance between Hong Kong to London.

Why would it only takes 8 hrs 45 mins from Sydney to Hong Kong while it takes 12 hours to get from Hong Kong to London?

If you search from Sydney to Hong Kong on Orbitz.com it says that it will take upwards of 13 hours.



I fly SYD-HKG-LHR route very often. I can assure you that it is within 9 hrs for SYD-HKG and 12hrs for HKG-LHR.

I'm sure there are tons of people can verify this.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2012, 07:38:40 PM »
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
I fly SYD-HKG-LHR route very often. I can assure you that it is within 9 hrs for SYD-HKG and 12hrs for HKG-LHR.

Then why do the airports contradict you?
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asd123

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2012, 07:48:57 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
I fly SYD-HKG-LHR route very often. I can assure you that it is within 9 hrs for SYD-HKG and 12hrs for HKG-LHR.

Then why do the airports contradict you?

The airports did not contradict me. But the flat earth model you mentioned contradicts with my flight experience.

In the “south pole continent” model, SYD-HKG is longer than HKG-LHR, but my actual flight experience is the other way round.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2012, 07:51:34 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
I fly SYD-HKG-LHR route very often. I can assure you that it is within 9 hrs for SYD-HKG and 12hrs for HKG-LHR.

Then why do the airports contradict you?

Tom, you may not have noticed that this is not a non-stop flight.
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 05:53:35 AM


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Tom Bishop

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2012, 08:10:42 PM »
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
The airports did not contradict me.

Incorrect.

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
Tom, you may not have noticed that this is not a non-stop flight.

The layover is only about an hour long.

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2012, 08:20:22 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
Tom, you may not have noticed that this is not a non-stop flight.

I couldn't find any direct flights.

Try Quantas: http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/route-maps/global/en

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But layovers aren't 7 hours.

Irrelevant.  Flights with one or more stops often take significantly longer routes than non-stop flights. 
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asd123

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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2012, 08:24:37 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
The airports did not contradict me.

Incorrect.

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
Tom, you may not have noticed that this is not a non-stop flight.

The layover is only about an hour long.



Why is it incorrect? I don't see your point.

Did you search for direct flight?
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2012, 02:04:14 PM »
I support the original and true map which shows the icy wall.

I have postulated here before my unpopular yet demonstrably true theory that time travels slower at higher altitudes in the "southern" regions of the earth, making air travel there appear faster than it does in the north. (North of course being the center.)
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2012, 03:21:02 PM »
^Please explain how this can be true, or point me in the direction where you have stated this. Time is a universal constant and therefore cannot be changed, unless this is another power of DE that was conveniently invented to support a theory (see signature)
« Last Edit: September 14, 2012, 03:25:35 PM by Lord Pythagoras »
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2012, 03:31:03 PM »
There's a time-space continuum which is a function of mass. At the center of the earth, there is greater mass in your proximity, so time is faster. The further you move  from the center (up and to "the south"), the slower time travels. A person travelling in an airplane in the south will experience time passing quicker from his point of reference. 
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2012, 06:46:32 PM »
Quote from: Dino on September 14, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
There's a time-space continuum which is a function of mass. At the center of the earth, there is greater mass in your proximity, so time is faster. The further you move  from the center (up and to "the south"), the slower time travels. A person travelling in an airplane in the south will experience time passing quicker from his point of reference.


This is an interesting theory, if the earth is an infinite plain time will be experienced differently in different parts of such earth much like time is not the same in traditional model of the universe. Physicists agree that in space time is not percieved the same way. Michio Kaku a famous physicist said that if you are to go to another galaxy, you might feel like only few hours have passed, while on earth years went by. Time is a very strange thing and our daily perception of time is more of an illusion, some say that time does not exist at all.  There are places on earth where time seems to speed up or slow down, Bermuda Triangle comes to mind.

Never the less the inaccuracy in the distances of the current flat earth maps really bother me. I always said that we need a new map. Antarctica as separate continent is problematic, because according to that map, not every southern movement leads to south pole. Any movement south of Bering straight leads into absolutely nowhere, while its been well established that no matter where you at on earth all southern travel will eventually lead to Antarctica. Flat earth needs new map.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2012, 12:42:05 PM »
Quote from: Dino on September 14, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
There's a time-space continuum which is a function of mass. At the center of the earth, there is greater mass in your proximity, so time is faster. The further you move  from the center (up and to "the south"), the slower time travels. A person travelling in an airplane in the south will experience time passing quicker from his point of reference.

So when they land they have to turn their watches back?
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2012, 04:59:01 PM »
Quote from: FlatOrange on September 15, 2012, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Dino on September 14, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
There's a time-space continuum which is a function of mass. At the center of the earth, there is greater mass in your proximity, so time is faster. The further you move  from the center (up and to "the south"), the slower time travels. A person travelling in an airplane in the south will experience time passing quicker from his point of reference.

So when they land they have to turn their watches back?


You fail to understand the difference between measuring time and experiencing the flow of time.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2012, 07:05:09 PM »
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 13, 2012, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: asd123 on September 13, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
The airports did not contradict me.

Incorrect.

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
Tom, you may not have noticed that this is not a non-stop flight.

The layover is only about an hour long.



Why is it incorrect? I don't see your point.

Did you search for direct flight?

I would like to see a response from Tom Bishop.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2012, 11:01:58 PM »
Quote from: New Earth on September 15, 2012, 04:59:01 PM
Quote from: FlatOrange on September 15, 2012, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Dino on September 14, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
There's a time-space continuum which is a function of mass. At the center of the earth, there is greater mass in your proximity, so time is faster. The further you move  from the center (up and to "the south"), the slower time travels. A person travelling in an airplane in the south will experience time passing quicker from his point of reference.

So when they land they have to turn their watches back?


You fail to understand the difference between measuring time and experiencing the flow of time.

If you care to share with me where I have failed and prove yourself the champion, please do.  Otherwise, I'm quite confident in my understanding of the theory of relativity and that someone experiencing time passing by quicker will actually be experiencing more time than his friends on the ground and thus, their watches will not be in sync.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2012, 12:01:35 AM »
Quote from: FlatOrange on September 18, 2012, 11:01:58 PM
Quote from: New Earth on September 15, 2012, 04:59:01 PM
Quote from: FlatOrange on September 15, 2012, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Dino on September 14, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
There's a time-space continuum which is a function of mass. At the center of the earth, there is greater mass in your proximity, so time is faster. The further you move  from the center (up and to "the south"), the slower time travels. A person travelling in an airplane in the south will experience time passing quicker from his point of reference.

So when they land they have to turn their watches back?


You fail to understand the difference between measuring time and experiencing the flow of time.

If you care to share with me where I have failed and prove yourself the champion, please do.  Otherwise, I'm quite confident in my understanding of the theory of relativity and that someone experiencing time passing by quicker will actually be experiencing more time than his friends on the ground and thus, their watches will not be in sync.

I'm feeling that people try to avoid answering after there is a clear contradiction.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2012, 10:27:22 AM »
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2012, 04:59:40 PM »
Yes, travelers must reset their watches. Of course if you use a phone for a watch, the phone will probably tell you the local time when you land.
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2012, 11:42:41 PM »
Wow it took you 11 days to respond so I almost missed that response.  Nice to see that you agree the watches would not be in sync.  What a strange phenomenon that has gone off the record for the past few decades, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2012, 11:47:14 AM »
No, it's on the record. I have some friends who sometimes fly around in the south, and they tell me they have to reset their watches. It's a well-known phenomenon down there. 
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Re: Flight time between Australia and Argentina
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2012, 01:37:25 PM »
Quote from: Dino on October 04, 2012, 11:47:14 AM
No, it's on the record. I have some friends who sometimes fly around in the south, and they tell me they have to reset their watches. It's a well-known phenomenon down there.

You mean they have to change their watches by some fixed time, usually a whole number of hours? A fixed amount that remains the same every time you go from location A to B, and negates when you go from B to A? I just want to make sure that you're describing something beyond time zones here.

Just to be clear, in your scenario, were time moving at a different rate in different parts of the world, it would not be sufficient to add or subtract a fixed number of hours from the current time. You would have to do this and change the rate at which your clock keeps time. Also, the amount you add or subtract would not be constant based on where you're traveling to and from but would change depending on how much time you spend at that location.

Spend some time looking at this site http://www.timeanddate.com/ and try different locations. You will see that they are not doing this.
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