Flight time below the equator

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2012, 05:09:27 PM »
@lolatherabbit. Here is a problem just for you - just for fun. (Lola is new. Let her/him have this one, all you perma noobs.)

It is over 10,000 miles from Melborne to New York
http://www.travelmath.com/flying-distance/from/New+York,+NY/to/Melbourne,+Australia



Why do airlines tell you the flight is 5 hours and 2 mins there, and 6 hours 32 back?
Here you go. Link to airline data.

10,000 miles in 5 hours is a speed of 2000 miles per hour!  :o Three times the speed of sound. Faster than Concorde!
So how much attention should I give to flight times?
According to travelmath, that first site you linked, it's 18 hours and 32 minutes using an average flight speed of 485.76 knots. Reversed, it says the same thing. Since your second link was totally wrong, I googled average flight times from Melbourne to New York. Results generally gave 25 hours, a perfectly acceptable deviance after factoring in weather conditions, aircraft/engine differences, and layover.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2012, 05:23:21 PM »
Have you ever been on an international flight? They're always a lot longer than the carrier estimates, for the obvious reason you just pointed out.
I have been in lots of international flights, and they are precise to within some 10 minutes. Since several years ago, when airliners were required to reserve a landing slot before taking off, the time of actual flight has been very consistent, even though the waiting time before departing is sometimes stretched to hours.

And your use of the word "always" is totally wrong or totally ill intended. If every single international flight South of the United States or Europe had a delay of hours, your babble would have some sense. But with just one flight that departs and lands on time your whole theory collapses.

And airlines usually have better than 90% on-time history.

Please quote a source for that figure.

According to the Department of Transportation, the average on-time arrival rate is 75% among the 16 largest carriers.

http://www.gadling.com/2011/06/08/airline-industry-best-and-worst-of-april-2011/

    "Overall, the airline industry posted an average on-time arrival rate of 75.5 percent. This means that a quarter of the time, they miss the mark. It's almost as easy as being a weather man!"

1 in 4 world-wide flights were delayed. Weather conditions, or a slight misunderstanding of the earth's shape?


Wrong again Tom the on time rate is around 83% depending on what month you look at  84% for year to date
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Delay/ot_delaycause1.asp?pn=1&periodfrom=24145%20&periodto=24147

also listed are the causes
 

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2012, 06:12:15 PM »
@lolatherabbit. Here is a problem just for you - just for fun. (Lola is new. Let her/him have this one, all you perma noobs.)

It is over 10,000 miles from Melborne to New York
http://www.travelmath.com/flying-distance/from/New+York,+NY/to/Melbourne,+Australia



Why do airlines tell you the flight is 5 hours and 2 mins there, and 6 hours 32 back?
Here you go. Link to airline data.

10,000 miles in 5 hours is a speed of 2000 miles per hour!  :o Three times the speed of sound. Faster than Concorde!
So how much attention should I give to flight times?
Sorry, I couldn't find anything showing the flight being 6 hrs. I did find this, http://au.edreams.com/engine/ItinerarySearch/search?searchMainProductTypeName=FLIGHT&tripTypeName=ROUND_TRIP&departureLocation=MEL&arrivalLocation=NYC&numAdults=1&numChilds=0&numInfants=0&departureTime=0000&returnTime=0000&departureDate=07/08/2012&returnDate=17/08/2012&utm_source=airfares-AU&utm_medium=metasearch&utm_campaign=airfares-AU-metasearch-MEL-JFK&utm_content=null&mktportal=defaultMetasearch&buyPath=31
The time going from NY back tho australia is probably 'longer' because australia a day ahead. Time zones.


Anyways you could use any means of transportation to get from S. Africa to Australia, That is not the point. All I am saying is that The FE map shows that two places are 11100 miles apart, when really theyre only about 5000miles
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2012, 07:10:51 PM »
@lolatherabbit. Here is a problem just for you - just for fun. (Lola is new. Let her/him have this one, all you perma noobs.)

It is over 10,000 miles from Melborne to New York
http://www.travelmath.com/flying-distance/from/New+York,+NY/to/Melbourne,+Australia



Why do airlines tell you the flight is 5 hours and 2 mins there, and 6 hours 32 back?
Here you go. Link to airline data.

10,000 miles in 5 hours is a speed of 2000 miles per hour!  :o Three times the speed of sound. Faster than Concorde!
So how much attention should I give to flight times?
According to travelmath, that first site you linked, it's 18 hours and 32 minutes using an average flight speed of 485.76 knots. Reversed, it says the same thing. Since your second link was totally wrong, I googled average flight times from Melbourne to New York. Results generally gave 25 hours, a perfectly acceptable deviance after factoring in weather conditions, aircraft/engine differences, and layover.
I mistakenly used the max cruise speed for the 767. The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour. In other words, it would be longer than 18 hours.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2012, 02:31:09 PM »
 Your time table of five hrs travel time from melborne is wrong because you entered melborne FL not Australia

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2012, 03:32:02 PM »
Your time table of five hrs travel time from melborne is wrong because you entered melborne FL not Australia

Bravo Thork!
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2012, 10:36:29 PM »
flight delays are common, but not to the extent that one would contribute it to the Earth not being round. generally I have seen most long flight delays as a direct result of foul weather. I can see that there is a snow storm in Anchorage so therefor my flight is delayed..pretty easy.

Does that prove anything, probably not. It does not show the shape of the Earth period so I guess flight delays cannot prove either.
The problem with Tom Bishop's argument is that for it to stand we would have to have a perfect 0% record of on-time flights for every single international or long range route in the Southern hemisphere that is not North-South.

Even if they get on time one single time they have to have flown at speeds of Mach 1.5 to 2, and maybe even faster, and a commercial airliner just cannot fly faster than Mach 0.95, no matter what you do to it.

The fact that most long range flights in the Southern Hemisphere get on time does not preclude a flat Earth, but it totally demolishes every flat Earth map in this forum. And the day Tom Bishop brings a map that has a reasonable distance between Australia and South America and Africa we will be able to demolish it also, maybe in less than 5 minutes.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2012, 01:18:10 AM »
Anyone who believes in a flat earth in 2012, heck even 1812 or 1612, is an idiot who dogmatically clings to a super-ultra-convoluted set of rationalizations and ret-cons that violate Occam's Razor a thousand times over by postulating worldwide conspiracies on a staggering level, so deep that we ought to signs of it everywhere, while providing absolutely no objectively verifiable evidence that has been peer-reviewed that could differentiate their magical scheme of things from the reality of a round earth.

Every possible version of a flat earth map fails, because well, you simply can't do a perfect projection of shape, distance, and continuity of a sphere onto a 2D image. If the earth were flat, we should have a perfect 2D map that has absolutely no troubles of projection at all, such as the Mercator projection, etc., but instead an image which perfectly preserves the features of the earth and is basically an exact miniature replica of the earth. Yet after hundreds or thousands of years of people traveling around the globe diligently making maps as accurately as they possibly can, not a single 2D map has been produced that has been perfectly shaped in all aspects. I wonder why that is..
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2012, 03:49:46 AM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2012, 06:59:10 AM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.
Also, the people on your websites are specifically framing their claims, not to learn the truth of the matter, but because they want to "debunk" Apollo Hoax claims --

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2012, 07:13:36 AM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.

Incorrect.

A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

Precisely.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2012, 07:32:16 AM »
1 nautical mile/hour/hour.....

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2012, 12:11:40 PM »
OK. Where are the flight times?

Could brother Thork, in his infinite wisdom, provide us, earthlings, with some examples?
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2012, 12:25:46 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2012, 12:29:01 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

Could be a measure of acceleration.
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2012, 12:30:53 PM »
Yes it could.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2012, 12:47:44 PM »
Ban the metric system!
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2012, 02:38:42 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

You are joking...right? If not I am going to be very angry and kill a kitten!  >o<

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2012, 02:49:29 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

You are joking...right? If not I am going to be very angry and kill a kitten!  >o<

In which Navy is knots/hour a unit of speed?

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2012, 02:51:51 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

You are joking...right? If not I am going to be very angry and kill a kitten!  >o<

In which Navy is knots/hour a unit of speed?

Oh I don't know.. all of them? What do you think we use to measure our speed? how many wales we pass each hour? do you think we guess how fast we are going based on how many cigarets bos'n smokes on watch?

So tell me.. how do we measure speed on the water?

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2012, 03:01:24 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

You are joking...right? If not I am going to be very angry and kill a kitten!  >o<

In which Navy is knots/hour a unit of speed?

Oh I don't know.. all of them? What do you think we use to measure our speed? how many wales we pass each hour? do you think we guess how fast we are going based on how many cigarets bos'n smokes on watch?

So tell me.. how do we measure speed on the water?

I thought you were in the Navy.  And a Boatswains Mate, at that.  Yet, I, having never been in the Navy, have to tell you how to measure speed on water?  Please, tell  me you are joking.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2012, 03:08:54 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.


What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

You are joking...right? If not I am going to be very angry and kill a kitten!  >o<

A knot is one nautical mile per hour.  So knots per hour makes no sense in the context you are using it.  The /hour is redundant because knots are a measure of speed.  You need a /hour for miles because a mile is a measure of distance, but a knot is not a distance, its a unit of speed.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2012, 03:09:47 PM »
The economic speed is actually closer to 460 knots/hour.

That is not a unit of speed.

What?  It most certainly is.  A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?

You are joking...right? If not I am going to be very angry and kill a kitten!  >o<

In which Navy is knots/hour a unit of speed?

Oh I don't know.. all of them? What do you think we use to measure our speed? how many wales we pass each hour? do you think we guess how fast we are going based on how many cigarets bos'n smokes on watch?

So tell me.. how do we measure speed on the water?

I'm currently in a car traveling 60 mph/hour. What is wrong with that statement, other than it not being metric?

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2012, 03:15:46 PM »

A knot is equal to 1 nautical mile per hour.

Precisely.

Therefore, 1 knot/hour =

1 nautical mile/hour/hour.....

Which

Could be a measure of acceleration.

But

not a unit of speed.

So you agree then that knots/hour is not a unit of speed?
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2012, 03:21:28 PM »
Ok now people, you have to remember I am not a college grad or anything like that. I really am confused when you keep saying that a knot is not how I measure the speed of my vessel. That is just wrong.

I can tell you right now that anytime the OOD/CONN or anyone higher up asks what speed we are making I tell them, for example, "25 knots, sir"

That is how we measure speed underway... I am not sure what you guys are talking about with the whole knots/hour thing. If I am making 5 knot then I can travel 5 nm in one hour... I am still making 5 knots.... that is my speed... and I then can travel 5 nm in one hour... I am still going 5 knots....

So one more time...
I am making 10 knots
I can travel 10 nm in one hour
My speed is still 10 knots...

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2012, 03:23:21 PM »
So one more time...
I am making 10 knots
I can travel 10 nm in one hour
My speed is still 10 knots...

Yes, but not 10 knots/hour.

Let me know if you need more Naval terminology explained to you.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2012, 03:24:47 PM »
So one more time...
I am making 10 knots
I can travel 10 nm in one hour
My speed is still 10 knots...

Yes, but not 10 knots/hour.

Whoa whoa whoa there cowboy...

Are you saying 10knots/hour means that the person is not making way at 10 knots?


Ok ok whoa whoa! stop the presses I think I got it.

A knot is not how I measure distance it is speed. If you change it to 10nm/hour that would make more sense, as you could then get the speed of course as 10 knots. So yes, 10knots/hour does not make sense for speed. Sorry that tolk me a while really did not hit me till now.
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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2012, 03:26:35 PM »
So one more time...
I am making 10 knots
I can travel 10 nm in one hour
My speed is still 10 knots...

Yes, but not 10 knots/hour.

Whoa whoa whoa there cowboy...

Are you saying 10knots/hour means that the person is not making way at 10 knots?

Yes, now you have it.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2012, 03:31:37 PM »
So one more time...
I am making 10 knots
I can travel 10 nm in one hour
My speed is still 10 knots...

Yes, but not 10 knots/hour.

Let me know if you need more Naval terminology explained to you.

you know jack squat about naval terminology.  :P

^ that was me making a joke by the way.

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Re: Flight time below the equator
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2012, 03:36:20 PM »
So one more time...
I am making 10 knots
I can travel 10 nm in one hour
My speed is still 10 knots...

Yes, but not 10 knots/hour.

Whoa whoa whoa there cowboy...

Are you saying 10knots/hour means that the person is not making way at 10 knots?

Yes, now you have it.

Well you have to remember that it wouldn't be called 10 knots/hour it would be considered 10nm/hour in realistic terms. If I told my bos'n we are going 10knots an hour he would slap me. I actually do not think anyone uses the term "an hour" after telling someone how fast we are going.