Global warming isn't real

The problem with the idea of "global" warming, to my mind, is that none of the predictive model's of gloom and doom for the last ten or more years has every come close to predicting reality. Doom is simply pushed back 30 yrs when reality stops conforming to the models, but neither the models nor the underlying assumptions within them are ever challenged.

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 21, 2012, 07:37:04 PM

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

Well Venus has a very bad greenhouse effect due to its CO2 content, something like 715 degrees K at the surface, and surface temp does not vary day or night by much.

Of course you would have to believe the Russians went there.

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 21, 2012, 07:37:04 PM

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

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This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 12:55:05 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 21, 2012, 07:37:04 PM

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

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This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles

In forty years, they'll say the same thing about global warming.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 22, 2012, 01:10:40 PM

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 12:55:05 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 21, 2012, 07:37:04 PM

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

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This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles

In forty years, they'll say the same thing about global warming.

No, no they won't. Climate change has a huge amount of support in the scientific community and relatively little support in the popular community.

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 01:12:38 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 22, 2012, 01:10:40 PM

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 12:55:05 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 21, 2012, 07:37:04 PM

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

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This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles

In forty years, they'll say the same thing about global warming.

No, no they won't. Climate change has a huge amount of support in the scientific community and relatively little support in the popular community.

Which is exactly what was thought forty years ago. We can easily tell now that wasn't the case, since it is always easy from the outside looking in.

No, no they won't. Climate change has a huge amount of support in the scientific community and relatively little support in the popular community.

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 01:12:38 PM

No, no they won't. Climate change has a huge amount of support in the scientific community and relatively little support in the popular community.

Little support in the popular community?  I understand that a layman is probably more likely than an educated scientist to just take Rush Limbaugh's word for it that global warming is wrong and ignore the scientific consensus, but surely most people are able to use their common sense on this.

No, it's not. The public thought it had large scientific backing, but it didn't. Scientists largely didn't believe in it. As a member of the scientific community, I can safely tell you that there is no factual doubt regarding GW.

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 01:25:42 PM

No, it's not. The public thought it had large scientific backing, but it didn't. Scientists largely didn't believe in it. As a member of the scientific community, I can safely tell you that there is no factual doubt regarding GW.

Ahahaha.

Okay. If you want to stick your head in the sand as history inevitably repeats itself, go ahead.

Didn't those pesky scientists say the similar things about the Ozone Hole?

Quote from: Lorddave on March 22, 2012, 01:49:46 PM

Didn't those pesky scientists say the similar things about the Ozone Hole?

Yeah, but they were right.

Quote from: Tausami on March 22, 2012, 01:51:59 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on March 22, 2012, 01:49:46 PM

Didn't those pesky scientists say the similar things about the Ozone Hole?

Yeah, but they were right.

Exactly my point.
So why shouldn't we trust them now?

Its a fact that we're pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, but to say we can predict exactly what that will do is just silly. Forty years ago ecologists and climatologists were swearing that the world was cooling down and if we didn't do something soon, freezing temperatures would result in most habitable areas of the planet by the year 2000. Obviously that didn't happen.

What we're dealing with now is a lot of climate data from relatively recent times and many climatologists are making vast assumptions on the extrapolation of data that isn't complete.

Show me a scientific paper from a climatologist 40 years ago that predicted that.

Also, scientists are very aware of the heat trapping effect of CO2.  It has been known since the 1800's but it was really perfected by the air-force, who needed to know what wavelengths to set their heat seeking missiles to.  Considering what those missiles have to do, they had to be pretty damned accurate in their calculations.

It is worth bearing in mind that there is no actual evidence that carbon dioxide was the main cause of recent warming—it's only an assumption, and the calculations of future temperature rises derive most of their warming from an assumed water vapor feedback for which there is only counter-evidence.

It depends.  Will I profit from it?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on March 26, 2012, 06:24:57 PM

It depends.  Will I profit from it?

If you start stripping O2 out of the air and bottling it, you could sell it to people. Just be sure to burn down a bunch of forests before hand.