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Re: earth flat
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2012, 05:22:30 PM »
He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point.

If somebody is forced to the point of denial by an observation, then that observation must be 100% solid proof of the thing they are in denial of.

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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2012, 05:28:09 PM »
He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point.

If somebody is forced to the point of denial by an observation, then that observation must be 100% solid proof of the thing they are in denial of.

Really, 100% proof?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2012, 05:34:20 PM »
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Maybe you could even debate the flat side

I'm confident

Judging by your post history, I'm afraid I must disagree.

As for the Raymondo, try the Bedford Level Experiment.

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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2012, 05:42:20 PM »

I'm confident

Judging by your post history, I'm afraid I must disagree.

As for the Raymondo, try the Bedford Level Experiment.

That's fine. You're entitled to disagree.

And, as for the bedford level experiment, it has already been brought up.

Edit: I apologize. That clearly wasn't addressed to me.
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2012, 05:49:39 PM »
Your 16 posts don't have anything to do with Raymondo.
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2012, 05:52:20 PM »

I'm confident

Judging by your post history, I'm afraid I must disagree.

As for the Raymondo, try the Bedford Level Experiment.

That's fine. You're entitled to disagree.

And, as for the bedford level experiment, it has already been brought up.

Odd you didn't notice that, considering how familiar you are with my post history.

Check it out, a bendy light round earther! Where have you been hiding all this time?

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Noogah

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2012, 05:55:38 PM »
Your 16 posts don't have anything to do with Raymondo.

Ah, fine. You have me there. Apologies for my haste.

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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2012, 06:02:10 PM »
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Maybe you could even debate the flat side

I'm confident

Judging by your post history, I'm afraid I must disagree.

As for the Raymondo, try the Bedford Level Experiment.

What is bedford level.

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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2012, 06:06:33 PM »
He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point. Also, I'm sure Raymondo is another character someone has cooked up to try and make the FES look silly. We get those all the time.

Why you say i make flat earth look silly.  i say I try to write better english. I come to united states two years ago i try to learn to write better english with website for english words.

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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2012, 06:10:00 PM »
ok so he has to do a little more homework than saying "look at the horizon". but you do know zetetic astrology is based on first hand observations?
he has obviously come here for more answers. everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist? perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.
take a look at this:



now what you will need to do is find an area of coast where you know the horizon to be atleast 5 miles wide. better still find a place with 2 objects of reference in the foreground that are 5 miles wide:



now you have 2 objects of reference you know that the horizon on the sea is atleast 5 miles long. at 6 feet the horizon is 3 miles away. so in theory if the horizon is over 3 miles wide you should be able to see some slight curvature


sorry my response is late, im at works and something happened

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2012, 06:12:18 PM »
He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point. Also, I'm sure Raymondo is another character someone has cooked up to try and make the FES look silly. We get those all the time.

Why you say i make flat earth look silly.  i say I try to write better english. I come to united states two years ago i try to learn to write better english with website for english words.

I'm sorry, Raymondo. People try to trick us all the time, I shouldn't accuse you of trickery so soon.

It's OK if you can't convince your brother the earth is flat, at least you know the truth. In the meantime, do the experiments yourself.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2012, 06:16:37 PM »
infact my experiment should be easier than the bedford level experiment. only i think very sensitive equipment is needed to totaly rule any curviture out and i would imagine even over 6-7 miles it would be very slight. you most likely wouldnt notice it as its 3 miles away aswell.

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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2012, 06:18:32 PM »
He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point. Also, I'm sure Raymondo is another character someone has cooked up to try and make the FES look silly. We get those all the time.

Why you say i make flat earth look silly.  i say I try to write better english. I come to united states two years ago i try to learn to write better english with website for english words.

I'm sorry, Raymondo. People try to trick us all the time, I shouldn't accuse you of trickery so soon.

It's OK if you can't convince your brother the earth is flat, at least you know the truth. In the meantime, do the experiments yourself

I dont know how to do experiment. They say earth is 25 thousand round but if is then  if i look out at gulf i should see curve left to right.

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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2012, 06:20:17 PM »
He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point. Also, I'm sure Raymondo is another character someone has cooked up to try and make the FES look silly. We get those all the time.

Why you say i make flat earth look silly.  i say I try to write better english. I come to united states two years ago i try to learn to write better english with website for english words.

I'm sorry, Raymondo. People try to trick us all the time, I shouldn't accuse you of trickery so soon.

It's OK if you can't convince your brother the earth is flat, at least you know the truth. In the meantime, do the experiments yourself

I dont know how to do experiment. They say earth is 25 thousand round but if is then  if i look out at gulf i should see curve left to right.

I agree! Well, maybe someone will help you with the experiments. squevil is a nice guy, and I think he's starting to see the truth, maybe he will help you!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: earth flat
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2012, 06:23:57 PM »
Quote from: squevil
everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.

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« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2012, 06:26:59 PM »
Quote from: squevil
everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.
Where. I live in mexico for many years and see no curve anywhere. Where you see curve

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« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2012, 06:37:43 PM »
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everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.
Where. I live in mexico for many years and see no curve anywhere. Where you see curve

Climb a tall mountain. Ride in a high altitude airplane. You'll see it. It won't be extremely obvious until about 60,000 feet, but you can still see it at much lower altitudes.

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Re: earth flat
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2012, 06:43:40 PM »

I'm confident

Judging by your post history, I'm afraid I must disagree.

As for the Raymondo, try the Bedford Level Experiment.

That's fine. You're entitled to disagree.

And, as for the bedford level experiment, it has already been brought up.

Edit: I apologize. That clearly wasn't addressed to me.

That's fine. You'll find that most people on this forum don't actually care whether or not a post is addressed to them. You get used to it pretty quickly.  :)

Refraction is a copout. In fact, I might be so inclined to call Special Pleading on the RE'er who came up with it.

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Maybe you could even debate the flat side

I'm confident

Judging by your post history, I'm afraid I must disagree.

As for the Raymondo, try the Bedford Level Experiment.

What is bedford level.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bedford_Level_Experiment

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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2012, 06:44:35 PM »
in order to do the experiment on a laymans level you will need.
a spirit level
a measure with a perfectly strait edge, preferably 2/3 meters long
a stand for the measure at 6 feet high
and a camera to document the findings
also 2 objects of reference at a great a distance as possible

you need to set up your equipment so both ends of the measure are seen to be as wide as the 2 objects of reference. simply moving closer to the measure is good enough. it would be best practice to view the measure above the horizon so you can see if it has a curve or not below the measure. if the horizon is above the measure it would be harder to tell.
the only issue with this is the distance horizontally may not be great enough to really have conclusive results. all the same your younger brother will be astonded that the horizon will appear flat.

this experiment can also be found in earth is not a globe

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« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2012, 06:45:50 PM »
Quote from: squevil
everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.
Where. I live in mexico for many years and see no curve anywhere. Where you see curve

Climb a tall mountain. Ride in a high altitude airplane. You'll see it. It won't be extremely obvious until about 60,000 feet, but you can still see it at much lower altitudes.

Close, but not quite. No mountain on Earth (including Everest) is tall enough to see the alleged curvature, and by all accounts 60,000 feet isn't when it becomes extremely visible, it's when it becomes visible at all.

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« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2012, 06:47:17 PM »
Quote from: squevil
everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.
Where. I live in mexico for many years and see no curve anywhere. Where you see curve

Climb a tall mountain. Ride in a high altitude airplane. You'll see it. It won't be extremely obvious until about 60,000 feet, but you can still see it at much lower altitudes.

I go up mountains before and still look flat.  You think i have plane in my back yard to go 60 thousand. 

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« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2012, 06:49:54 PM »
no need you tube provides video evidence of planes at 60,000 feet

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Re: earth flat
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2012, 06:52:22 PM »
no need you tube provides video evidence of planes at 60,000 feet

It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.

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« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2012, 06:53:43 PM »
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Refraction is a copout.

Call it what you want, it's an explanation and it works. In other words, the bedford experiment isn't a problem for round earthers. It can be viewed as possible support for your case, but it isn't necessarily, since it's phenomena can work on a round earth.

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everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.
Where. I live in mexico for many years and see no curve anywhere. Where you see curve

Climb a tall mountain. Ride in a high altitude airplane. You'll see it. It won't be extremely obvious until about 60,000 feet, but you can still see it at much lower altitudes.

Close, but not quite. No mountain on Earth (including Everest) is tall enough to see the alleged curvature, and by all accounts 60,000 feet isn't when it becomes extremely visible, it's when it becomes visible at all.

Sources? I confess that I don't know about mountains, but you CAN see earth's curve from a plane.

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You think i have plane in my back yard to go 60 thousand.

 :) No, I suppose not. But those who do can try it out.

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It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.

Multiple, different and photorealistic videos uploaded by private users is hardly the same as identical videos from usually-realistic-but-sometimes-unconvincing movies which took years and many many professionals to make.

I seem to recall my sister bringing home pictures from an airplane flight that she took. I remember looking at them and thinking that the earth looked curved (and this was before I was debating any flat earthers). I might still have them somewhere.
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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2012, 06:55:55 PM »
no need you tube provides video evidence of planes at 60,000 feet

It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.
dont be like that you know well that those videos are real. its the explanation for the curviture that cant be explained fully

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« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2012, 07:02:01 PM »
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Refraction is a copout.

Call it what you want, it's an explanation and it works. In other words, the bedford experiment isn't a problem for round earthers. It can be viewed as possible support for your case, but it isn't necessarily, since it's phenomena can work on a round earth.

Quote from: squevil
everybody is aware of the picture provided. if that was accepted do you think this website would even exist?

No, I do not. And that is the point.

Quote from: squevil
perhaps what you should be doing is explaining WHY the horizon looks flat and not curved at sea level over a (aprox) 5 mile plane.

Because, in short, the earth is huge. It's h-u-g-e.

And, the earth DOES looked curved from planes. I'm not specific about the height.
Where. I live in mexico for many years and see no curve anywhere. Where you see curve

Climb a tall mountain. Ride in a high altitude airplane. You'll see it. It won't be extremely obvious until about 60,000 feet, but you can still see it at much lower altitudes.

Close, but not quite. No mountain on Earth (including Everest) is tall enough to see the alleged curvature, and by all accounts 60,000 feet isn't when it becomes extremely visible, it's when it becomes visible at all.

Sources? I confess that I don't know about mountains, but you CAN see earth's curve from a plane.

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You think i have plane in my back yard to go 60 thousand.

 :) No, I suppose not. But who do can try it out.

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It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.

Multiple, different and photorealistic videos uploaded by private users is hardly the same as identical videos from usually-realistic-but-sometimes-unconvincing movies which took years and many many professionals to make.

Well, a scientific paper is certainly a better source than my own. But it remains that 35,000 feet is higher than Mt. Everest and private flight, and commercial flights do not allow for wide range of view as is required.

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« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2012, 07:05:24 PM »
no need you tube provides video evidence of planes at 60,000 feet

It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.

Youtube is a medium, not a source. You'll need to discredit sources individually. For starters, can you discredit the source of " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this video?
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Re: earth flat
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2012, 07:09:23 PM »
no need you tube provides video evidence of planes at 60,000 feet

It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.

Youtube is a medium, not a source. You'll need to discredit sources individually. For starters, can you discredit the source of " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this video?

Quote from: Dr. David K. Lynch
Photographs [and by extension videos] purporting to show the curvature of the Earth are always suspect because virtually all camera lenses
project an image that suffers from barrel distortion

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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2012, 07:09:47 PM »
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But it remains that 35,000 feet is higher than Mt. Everest


Quote from: The paper
It seems likely thatthe curvature can be detected at
elevations lower than 35; 000 ft,thus opening the door
to the possibility of seeing it from high mountains.

I don't think that either you nor I can very well argue this point either way, since this is speculation, and neither of us can go up to Mt. Everest and see.

In any case, it says that you can indeed see the curve in a plane. So that's the important thing, methinks.

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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2012, 07:12:44 PM »
no need you tube provides video evidence of planes at 60,000 feet

It also provides video evidence of Naboo Starfighters at 60,000 feet.

Youtube is a medium, not a source. You'll need to discredit sources individually. For starters, can you discredit the source of " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this video?

Quote from: Dr. David K. Lynch
Photographs [and by extension videos] purporting to show the curvature of the Earth are always suspect because virtually all camera lenses
project an image that suffers from barrel distortion

we are all aware of that. however EVERY high altitude photo shows a curve. somebody even posted some software that can eliminate barrel distortion*. however if thats the case then why do people claim that what people are seeing is the suns spotlight if the edge is not round?


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