Skyrim

Africa is mostly tropical.  Sure, it's home to the largest desert in the world, but obviously the majority of the people on the continent live elsewhere.  Plus Greenland is about 1/3 the size of that desert.

Africa is mostly tropical.  Sure, it's home to the largest desert in the world, but obviously the majority of the people on the continent live elsewhere.  Plus Greenland is about 1/3 the size of that desert.

I know, it was an unfair comparison. Skyrim isn't that populated, I wonder what Hammerfell looks like.

To be fair, Greenland also has about 1/3 the population of the Sahara desert too.  So you may still have a point.

I wonder what Hammerfell looks like.

Play TES: Arena and Daggerfall and find out. I'm sure it's quite flat and pixelated.

They should remake Daggerfall.

But in the mean time, you can get the original Daggerfall FREE from Bethesda's official Elder Scrolls site, and you can use XL Engine to play it in a slightly more stable, better looking form.  Well, you know.  Once it's more complete.

I have Daggerfall, but I kinda hate the controls, so I never play it. Move mouse to swing weapon, srsly.

Africa is mostly tropical.  Sure, it's home to the largest desert in the world,

Incorrect.

Quote from: Nomad on January 23, 2012, 09:44:43 PM

Africa is mostly tropical.  Sure, it's home to the largest desert in the world,

Incorrect.

No one cares, shut up.

I do. No love for Antarctica. Also, I tried downloading Daggerfall from Bethesda once. It ragequit and crashed on me until I could take it no more. I am vanquished, shitty backwards compatibility, and I dub thee the victor.

I'm not sure if the ice wall counts as a desert.

I doubt that there's a lot of rain on it seeing as most clouds that precipitate don't go that high, if any do. And you must remember how humongously big it is, so it is probably larger than the Arctic desert.

In any case, one similarity that Skyrim and Hammerfell have is that their climates and terrains are very harsh to outsiders, and only the locals are uniquely suited to thrive in them.  That's the biggest reason why I believe that the Nords would be able to defend Skyrim the way that the Redguards defended Hammerfell.  And contrast both lands with Cyrodil, which, if you've played Oblivion, you'll recall has a fairly temperate climate and terrain mostly consisting of grasslands and forests.  Not an easy place to defend from invaders.

Yes, because everyone knows that guerilla warfare in the forest has never worked before.

Yes, because everyone knows that guerilla warfare in the forest has never worked before.

I think the point he's trying to make is more that the climate/terrain in Skyrim is far more hostile to outsiders than the fairly pleasant Cyrodil, rather than that Cyrodil is a tactically ill placed country. Think German invasion of Russia rather than German invasion of France.

Quote from: Wendy on January 25, 2012, 11:03:40 AM

Yes, because everyone knows that guerilla warfare in the forest has never worked before.

I think the point he's trying to make is more that the climate/terrain in Skyrim is far more hostile to outsiders than the fairly pleasant Cyrodil, rather than that Cyrodil is a tactically ill placed country. Think German invasion of Russia rather than German invasion of France.

Yes.  In fact, I wasn't even thinking of guerrilla warfare - although now that it's been brought up, the Imperials probably wouldn't think of that tactic or else would refuse on principle to employ it.

Quote from: General Douchebag on January 25, 2012, 11:24:02 AM

Quote from: Wendy on January 25, 2012, 11:03:40 AM

Yes, because everyone knows that guerilla warfare in the forest has never worked before.

I think the point he's trying to make is more that the climate/terrain in Skyrim is far more hostile to outsiders than the fairly pleasant Cyrodil, rather than that Cyrodil is a tactically ill placed country. Think German invasion of Russia rather than German invasion of France.

Yes.  In fact, I wasn't even thinking of guerrilla warfare - although now that it's been brought up, the Imperials probably wouldn't think of that tactic or else would refuse on principle to employ it.

The great thing about guerrilla warfare is that governments and armies don't need to be involved, Falanu Hlaalu's wicked with a knife. And is also totally a necrophiliac. Shame she doesn't know about Nerastarel's house, it's like a brothel to her or something.

Also, I realise in hindsight that bringing up guerilla warfare is a weak argument. You don't win wars by fighting guerilla warfare, and unless you can be certain that the invaders will tire and go away, it's a lost cause anyway.

Also, I realise in hindsight that bringing up guerilla warfare is a weak argument. You don't win wars by fighting guerilla warfare, and unless you can be certain that the invaders will tire and go away, it's a lost cause anyway.

The guerrilla warfare wouldn't be about winning the war, it'd be about making a constant Thalmor presence in Cyrodil unfeasible. As long as the Empire itself isn't overtly behind it, they're pretty much in the clear in terms of risk of full-scale invasion and can continue to regroup with a greatly reduced risk of espionage or rebellion.

What happened to the big angry debate?  Where did everyone go?

Reinstall Windows, find out that Steam doesn't automatically back up Skyrim saves.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on January 26, 2012, 02:14:34 PM

What happened to the big angry debate?  Where did everyone go?

The debate ended several pages ago. The Imperial apologists gave up and scurried away.

As well they should. Fucking nationalist, racist bastards. Or are those the other guys? I forget.

The imperials are intolerant of religion, the stormcloaks are racist.

Quote from: Oscar on January 29, 2012, 02:25:34 PM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on January 26, 2012, 02:14:34 PM

What happened to the big angry debate?  Where did everyone go?

The debate ended several pages ago. The Imperial apologists gave up and scurried away.

As well they should. Fucking nationalist, racist bastards. Or are those the other guys? I forget.

The Stormcloaks are the nationalist, racist bastards. Oscar hates elves.

Quote from: Wendy on January 29, 2012, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Oscar on January 29, 2012, 02:25:34 PM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on January 26, 2012, 02:14:34 PM

What happened to the big angry debate?  Where did everyone go?

The debate ended several pages ago. The Imperial apologists gave up and scurried away.

As well they should. Fucking nationalist, racist bastards. Or are those the other guys? I forget.

The Stormcloaks are the nationalist, racist bastards. Oscar hates elves.

Elves suck!

Also, the Imperials made a pact with the devil, the Stormcloaks are short-sighted and make poor tactical decisions.

Quote from: Particle Person on January 29, 2012, 02:33:17 PM

Oscar hates elves.

I oppose injustice. That elves happen to be the primary source in this case is completely incidental.

I oppose injustice as well. That's why I hate those racist Stormcloak bastards. My high elf will walk through your town and no, I will not join the cause.

Quote from: Particle Person on January 29, 2012, 02:33:17 PM

Oscar hates elves.

I oppose injustice. That elves happen to be the primary source in this case is completely incidental.

Oh, well, we all hate the Altmer. I was referring to my fellow Dunmer who are subject to discrimination and oppression in Ulfric's own city, about which he doesn't seem to give a damn.

But Stormcloaks aren't racists.

But Stormcloaks aren't racists.

How not?

Altmer FTW!!!!!!

Quote from: Oscar on January 29, 2012, 02:53:32 PM

Quote from: Particle Person on January 29, 2012, 02:33:17 PM

Oscar hates elves.

I oppose injustice. That elves happen to be the primary source in this case is completely incidental.

Oh, well, we all hate the Altmer. I was referring to my fellow Dunmer who are subject to discrimination and oppression in Ulfric's own city, about which he doesn't seem to give a damn.

Well...  Ulfric let the Dunmer stay in town regardless of the racism going on.  The stormcloaks are just butthurt because the Dunmer won't help fight the imperials.