I have proof the world is round.

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I have proof the world is round.
« on: September 24, 2006, 03:14:11 AM »
Hello. I live in Australia, and can confirm we are in fact, on the bottom of the earth.

Here is a picture of Sydney, where I live- just outside the botanical gardens, near the CBD.



As you can see, we're all upside down here.. Its was confusing when I was first born, but I'm used to it now.

Here's another image of some sydney-siders walking "up" some stairs near town hall station:


I'll gladly answer some questions, if you have any

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 03:16:11 AM »
Is Sydney about to burn down?

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 03:16:41 AM »
fuckin aussies
Global warming: Liberal hoax
The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2006, 03:17:40 AM »
Maybe, but I hear British males don't get any.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 03:22:26 AM »
yes actually i get a lot without resorting to incest unlike u in ur backwards spread out craphole of a country
Global warming: Liberal hoax
The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 04:19:10 AM »
It's an interesting theory, but you've clearly just turned the camera upside down to take those photos.


Britishagent gets it from his mum! LOL.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 04:22:33 AM »
Quote from: "texta"
It's an interesting theory, but you've clearly just turned the camera upside down to take those photos.


Prove this.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2006, 04:23:27 AM »
Prove that he hasn't

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2006, 04:24:05 AM »
if he is in sydney and al the people are stood "upside down" he would have to have been stood on his head to get the pictures otherwise they would have just looked normal
Global warming: Liberal hoax
The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 04:39:52 AM »
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Prove that he hasn't


I've never claimed he hasn't, so I don't have to prove anything. You, on the other hand, stated a "fact" that you should be able to support with scientific evidence. Otherwise, who will believe you?

Plus, you used the word "obvious" in your statement. If it's so obvious that he's turned his camera upside down, then you should have no problem to explain how you came yo this conclusion.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2006, 04:43:15 AM »
Proof: I've been to Sydney and it wasn't upside down.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2006, 04:44:21 AM »
but only because you were upside down and not the right way up - this meaning Sydney is *up-side down*
It is proven:  Computer Geeks shall inherit the earth.
Pr00f you say:  look who's using a PC!!!

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2006, 04:56:26 AM »
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Proof: I've been to Sydney and it wasn't upside down.


You cannot prove this by simply saying it.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2006, 04:57:59 AM »
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Proof: I've been to Sydney and it wasn't upside down.


You cannot prove this by simply saying it.


I hope you can prove that.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2006, 05:08:49 AM »
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Proof: I've been to Sydney and it wasn't upside down.


You cannot prove this by simply saying it.


I hope you can prove that.



"A statement of fact or a factual claim is a statement that is presented as an accurate representation of a situation, event, or condition, and that is capable of being either proved or disproved."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2006, 05:45:11 AM »
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Proof: I've been to Sydney and it wasn't upside down.


You cannot prove this by simply saying it.


I hope you can prove that.



"A statement of fact or a factual claim is a statement that is presented as an accurate representation of a situation, event, or condition, and that is capable of being either proved or disproved."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact


Yeah. A quote from wikipedia isn't a proof and even if it was you haven't actually proved that you can't prove something by saying it.

That said, me saying that I've been to Sydney and it isn't upside down wasn't the proof, me actually going to Sydney and observing it isn't upside down isthe proof. Well proof enough for me to be comfortable to make the statement that Sydney isn't upside down.

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2006, 06:30:52 AM »
Quote from: "texta"

That said, me saying that I've been to Sydney and it isn't upside down wasn't the proof, me actually going to Sydney and observing it isn't upside down isthe proof. Well proof enough for me to be comfortable to make the statement that Sydney isn't upside down.
So if i enter high atmosphere and observe the curvature of the earth, then it's proof that the earth is a globe, right?
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2006, 06:44:28 AM »
it's proof to you.

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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2006, 06:54:23 AM »
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it's proof to you.
By that logic, proof that Australia even exists is only proof to people who've been there. I've only ever seen pictures and videos; I've met a couple of people who claim to have been there, or claimed to have lived there; but that's only proof to them; right?
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2006, 07:13:14 AM »
Right - but that's like saying, as you have never met me that I don't exsist, or that becasue you have never tasted piklets that they don't exsist. When they, infact, do.      Or - that becasue you have never practised hinuism it doesnt exsist.

You just have to except that things exsist - even if you haven't expericenced them else a lot of things wouldn't make anysense. For example - The humanities would be nigh on impossible to comprehend if you didnt just except these thigs exsist.
It is proven:  Computer Geeks shall inherit the earth.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2006, 07:25:44 AM »
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Right - but that's like saying, as you have never met me that I don't exsist, or that becasue you have never tasted piklets that they don't exsist. When they, infact, do.      Or - that becasue you have never practised hinuism it doesnt exsist.

You just have to except that things exsist - even if you haven't expericenced them else a lot of things wouldn't make anysense. For example - The humanities would be nigh on impossible to comprehend if you didnt just except these thigs exsist.
That was kind of my point; so if I go up into high altitude (or perhaps just send a camera up there), and observe the curvature of the earth, would that enough to persuade the FEers that the earth is a globe? If not, why not, after all they accept the word of people who've gone to Australia, and sending a camera up is almost as cheap as that now (see my other thread: "space for £1000").
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2006, 07:51:29 AM »
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Yeah. A quote from wikipedia isn't a proof and even if it was you haven't actually proved that you can't prove something by saying it.

Are you saying this because I was able to provide proof  for my statement while you are still trying to win this "argument" with nothing but being stubborn?.. tss.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2006, 08:50:45 AM »
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it's proof to you.
By that logic, proof that Australia even exists is only proof to people who've been there. I've only ever seen pictures and videos; I've met a couple of people who claim to have been there, or claimed to have lived there; but that's only proof to them; right?


There is a difference between evidence and proof and the level of evidence needed to be regarded as proof is subjective.  Actually to a certain degree - I guess if we want to be literal we would have to say that there is a level of evidence needed to accept a theory as true - we can't usually "prove" that theory.  For example the worlds leading climate change scientists all believe that climate change is occuring as a direct result of humans actions.  However only something like 46% of journalists who report on climate change actually believe it is occuring because of our actions - and to further that point - there are plenty of regular people who choose to believe the journalists instead of the experts.

You've seen photos, tv shows and met people who say they've been to Australia and that is very convincing.  In fact you'd have to say that it dispels all reasonable doubt that Australia exists but does that make it proof?

Generally proof would require you to know without doubt - not know without reasonable doubt.  There's a slight but significant difference.  Is it theoretically possible that those pictures are fake and that the videos were fake and the people are lieing to you?  There's obviously no reason to think that that is the case, but is it theoretically possible?  If so, and I think it is, then you don't have proof - just strong enough evidence that you should be convinced of Australia's existence.  A miniscule amount of faith is still required to believe that Australia is real.

I, on the other hand, was born in Australia and have spent my entire life here (disregarding a holiday to Asia).  I have to accept that as long as we make the assumption that our perceptions are mainly true, Australia exists.  It's not absolute proof, and indeed science doesn't allow for absolute proof, but the assumption we have to make is the most basic assumption we can make.  Without that assumption everthing is false.  Now some religions and philosophies do say that what we see as the real world doesn't actually exist and although people who haven't studied philosophy in any great detail often ridicule that sentiment, it is well argued and theoretically possible.  In Western philosophy however, we are more materalistic and we assume that what we sense is real (or based on some physical reality) (sense as in see, touch, taste, hear and smell).

Proof is a complicated subject and I am certainly not in a position to come close to covering it.  That would take years and years of philosophical study and thought and even then I don't think definitive answers could be constructed.

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2006, 09:14:10 AM »
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it's proof to you.
By that logic, proof that Australia even exists is only proof to people who've been there. I've only ever seen pictures and videos; I've met a couple of people who claim to have been there, or claimed to have lived there; but that's only proof to them; right?


You've seen photos, tv shows and met people who say they've been to Australia and that is very convincing.  In fact you'd have to say that it dispels all reasonable doubt that Australia exists but does that make it proof?

Generally proof would require you to know without doubt - not know without reasonable doubt.  There's a slight but significant difference.  Is it theoretically possible that those pictures are fake and that the videos were fake and the people are lieing to you?  There's obviously no reason to think that that is the case, but is it theoretically possible?  If so, and I think it is, then you don't have proof - just strong enough evidence that you should be convinced of Australia's existence.  A miniscule amount of faith is still required to believe that Australia is real.
Bingo! You've hit the nail on the head; I doubt many (if indeed any) FEers on this site would contened that Australia is not real. I contend that there is almost, if not, as much evidence for the earth being a globe, as there is for the existance of Australia; why then do FEers dispute all evidence for the RE without any scientific backing for their hypothisis, yet accept the fact that Australia (or indeed anywhere beyond where they are right now) exists? As yet I have not had a satisfactory answer beyond "It's the conspirisy!!!". I'm asking for empirical evidence people; and I'm not getting it.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2006, 09:18:44 AM »
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It's an interesting theory, but you've clearly just turned the camera upside down to take those photos.


Prove this.


My favorite poster has returned!

Also, this topic is a bit spammy  :roll:
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2006, 09:48:40 AM »
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Bingo! You've hit the nail on the head; I doubt many (if indeed any) FEers on this site would contened that Australia is not real. I contend that there is almost, if not, as much evidence for the earth being a globe, as there is for the existance of Australia; why then do FEers dispute all evidence for the RE without any scientific backing for their hypothisis, yet accept the fact that Australia (or indeed anywhere beyond where they are right now) exists? As yet I have not had a satisfactory answer beyond "It's the conspirisy!!!". I'm asking for empirical evidence people; and I'm not getting it.


I've always seen it as a complete waste of time to debate that the world is round because it obviously is.  It's far more fun to pretend that it's flat and try to work from there - ie what would that mean for the laws of science?  What would the true laws of science be?  What does it mean about society?  What can we trust?

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2006, 09:51:10 AM »
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My favorite poster has returned!

Also, this topic is a bit spammy  :roll:


I missed you too.. Uh, I mean.. Even though you support the FE model.. Stupid. >:/
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2006, 01:19:46 PM »
It is quite easy to prove the OP simply turned his camera upside down.

If he was on the bottom of the earth, he would have fallen off.

Case closed!

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Australians wear magnet shoes!

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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2006, 01:21:56 PM »
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It is quite easy to prove the OP simply turned his camera upside down.

If he was on the bottom of the earth, he would have fallen off.

Case closed!

...unless...

Australians wear magnet shoes!
Or perhaps more likley: gravity is at work; keeping him on.
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2006, 01:37:47 PM »
Sorry, magnetism is a force I have actually witnessed the effects of first hand, unlike your "gravity" voodoo.