Libraries supporting DRM

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Libraries supporting DRM
« on: October 10, 2011, 01:55:12 PM »
I discovered that, ironically, Libraries are giving a great deal of support to DRM.

In ancient history libraries were invented to share knowledge and help people learn. The information is all stored in physical books, so the solution is to borrow/lend them for periods of time.

Today, given widespread usage of the internet, we have "digital libraries" that lend "e-books" (computer files that have all the text of a book stored inside them) as well as audiobooks. What should strike you as very strange is that these are lent out: Digital information isn't physical, so it doesn't have to be lended. Every time you send a file over the internet it is copied: It's not like handing a book to someone because you still have it.

The old paradigms that make sense for physical objects are being mistakenly carried over to digital information. You might think "Well OK whatever it's just a basic mistake, easy to fix right?". In fact the reality of the situation is not that simple, it's not a technical blunder that someone made. Something much more sinister is happening. Let me explain a bit about how you "lend" a digital file first,

Normally when a file is sent from one computer to another it is read using a program. The situation with "lending" "ebooks" is the same: but the file format is intentionally obfuscated and/or encrypted so that it can only be read by a specific program: one created by the government or the library or whoever is lending you this book. This program that lets you read the file is closed off so that you cannot see how it works or what it does. Furthermore, it is programmed to stop cooperating with you (stop letting you read the file, maybe even erasing it completely) after a set time.

Now you see that it's not a simple technical blunder: someone must have worked very hard to design and program such a system intentionally. Why would they do this? The first reason is probably Copyright: In our capitalist society, where everything is exploited for profit. There will be someone restricting the distribution and usage of information. The second reason is that controlling bodies are often happy to procure more control. Forcing widespread use of programs which are closed off and do not cooperate with the user (but perhaps do cooperate with the libraries or other controlling bodies) is an extremely powerful way to get a grip on the masses.

This is a step towards computers as jails. The machines controlling us, rather than helping us. Things like the iPhone and iPad are a big step in this direction, you're not allowed to write new programs for them yourself, let alone share what you've made to help your friends. You can expect less and less technological freedom until we spend our lives caring pandering to the needs of robots if you support DRM.

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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 01:58:46 PM »
I don't think anyone supports DRM. Most people see it as a necessary evil. I try to avoid DRM where I can.

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 02:21:16 PM »
I don't think anyone supports DRM. Most people see it as a necessary evil. I try to avoid DRM where I can.

I estimate that 80% of people regularly using computers don't know what it is and haven't realized/understood the concept. Of the remaining 20% I estimate that 30% do not care or haven't considered it/haven't been told what to think, 50% support it (I include the "necessary evil" cop-out in this category) and 20% are against it. This means I estimate roughly 1 in 400 people (who regularly use computers) are against DRM. The main reason for widespread support today is entertainment like: iPhone/iPad, internet film services (netflix, BBC iPlayer) and video game systems (steam). Soon we will see a rise in "web applications" and the mainstream will stop using desktop programs, this will greatly increase the number of people that are subject to DRM (it is much easier to implement it via web interfaces) and a big increase in the support for it (which is welcomed by capitalists and fascists alike).

I want to increase the "1 in 400" proportion by raising awareness after raising the technical understanding to the point where the reader can actually appreciate the reasons for this technology and it's implications. I estimate that 60% of the relevant population are capable of understanding the issues correctly if the situation is explained in essay from (and since everyone is growing up with computers today this increases quickly).

Unless a serious opposition to DRM is made I make a next-decade prediction of the following: Desktop computers will become more and more crippled in order to better support DRM (we are already witnessing this) as well as allowing police investigators to tap into and monitor you via the internet (a law was recently passed to allow them to do this). Equivalents of "drivers licenses" will be introduced to further segregate types of computer use and discourage regular people from taking advantage of computation restricting them only to be spoon fed restricted types of calculation (e.g. cryptography [which governments are already able to force you to give up your keys for] and cryptocurrencies will be outlawed). It seems likely that "mobile phone" equivalents which contain DRM will be required by schools and jobs to give people access to open doors and such (and "keep" "terrorists/school shooters" ""out"), the flipside is that they will be abused (and we already witness mild forms of this e.g. news of the world "phone hacking" scandal) by organizations to track and exploit people.

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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 02:57:19 PM »
Not surprising.

Publishing companies don't like the digital technology as it takes away their control.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 10:28:46 PM »
Not surprising.

Publishing companies don't like the digital technology as it takes away their control.

Of course it is, it's causing them to not really "publish" anything, making a traditionally important part of their job irrelevant.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 01:22:16 AM »
Desktop computers will become more and more crippled in order to better support DRM (we are already witnessing this)

Only those of us who choose to live that way are witnessing it. There is a way out, and a very easy one when compared with the way out of many historical oppressive regimes.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 04:19:27 AM »
But Linux is dying. :(

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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2011, 05:09:11 AM »
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 05:19:01 AM »
Hitler wasn't democratically elected.
Incorrect.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 02:43:29 PM »
Hitler wasn't democratically elected.
Incorrect.

Fuck off. Say what you mean, or don't bother posting.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 08:39:22 AM »
Hitler wasn't democratically elected.
Incorrect.

I'm really getting tired of this shtick.  It wasn't funny the first time, and it's not funny the sixth time, either.  Stop being a pedantic asshole.

Specifically, I was commenting on the "compared with the way out of many historical oppressive regimes" part of your post. We're currently on our way in to the DRM "regime", which makes the fact that previously regimes have been started democratically is relevant.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 09:43:11 AM »
Hitler wasn't democratically elected.
Incorrect.

I'm really getting tired of this shtick.  It wasn't funny the first time, and it's not funny the sixth time, either.  Stop being a pedantic asshole.

Specifically, I was commenting on the "compared with the way out of many historical oppressive regimes" part of your post. We're currently on our way in to the DRM "regime", which makes the fact that previously regimes have been started democratically is relevant.

It's not as blatant as "democracy" though, where someone just asks what you want.

In our situation, many people are thinking "I don't want DRM... but I'll just but this ONE iPhone cause it's very very shiny/I just really need this book today and the e-book version is right there/It's so much easier to just but one track off iTunes than go out and get the whole album/...", but that's just the people that are away. Of course most people aren't even aware that they're taking part in a 'vote' when they buy specific types of technology.

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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 01:43:52 PM »
I don't think it even extends that far. Most people simply don't know, nor care to know.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 06:47:09 PM »
I don't think it even extends that far. Most people simply don't know, nor care to know.
Sounds like a standard political vote to me.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 03:03:44 AM »
Specifically, I was commenting on the "compared with the way out of many historical oppressive regimes" part of your post. We're currently on our way in to the DRM "regime", which makes the fact that previously regimes have been started democratically is relevant.

The difference being that a choice of operating system is not analogous to democracy so much as to anarchy. People don't vote on which operating system to use such that everyone is required to use it; each individual may decide for herself which to use. Thus, there can be no democratically enforced oppression, only self-inflicted.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2011, 09:03:59 AM »
Hitler wasn't democratically elected.
Incorrect.

I'm really getting tired of this shtick.  It wasn't funny the first time, and it's not funny the sixth time, either.  Stop being a pedantic asshole.

Specifically, I was commenting on the "compared with the way out of many historical oppressive regimes" part of your post. We're currently on our way in to the DRM "regime", which makes the fact that previously regimes have been started democratically is relevant.

It's not as blatant as "democracy" though, where someone just asks what you want.

In our situation, many people are thinking "I don't want DRM... but I'll just but this ONE iPhone cause it's very very shiny/I just really need this book today and the e-book version is right there/It's so much easier to just but one track off iTunes than go out and get the whole album/...", but that's just the people that are away. Of course most people aren't even aware that they're taking part in a 'vote' when they buy specific types of technology.
Thanks for bringing attention to this problem. I am one of the masses that did not know this problem exists.
1. Is spying on people one of the problems of DRM.
2. Are Apple products a big problem?
3.Which products are good to use?
4.How do we help fight against this hideous DRM?
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2011, 09:24:22 AM »
1. No. The problem is ownership of data and the ability to copy it as many times to as many computers as possible. It's mostly to prevent music pirating (poorly).


2. Not really. It's the entertainment industry that's the real problem.

3. Ask Steve.

4. Don't use anything that someone is selling and you didn't pay for. Like music.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2011, 12:14:39 PM »
Is TDW jumping to conclusions.       This is a step towards computers as jails. The machines controlling us, rather than helping us. Things like the iPhone and iPad are a big step in this direction, you're not allowed to write new programs for them yourself, let alone share what you've made to help your friends. You can expect less and less technological freedom until we spend our lives caring pandering to the needs of robots if you support DRM.

I don't really see the problem.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2011, 12:58:29 PM »
It might exaggerate a bit, but he's basically right.

To most people that aren't tech savvy in the slightest, it doesn't matter. They're happy to give up freedoms they're probably not even aware of.

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2011, 06:43:57 PM »
DRM is terrible. The best ways to combat DRM is to do as LordDave says, don't use digital media free, if you're meant to pay for it, and more importantly, if you're going to pay for it, make sure you go out of your way to purchase a copy that isn't laden with DRM.
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2011, 07:15:41 PM »
The difference being that a choice of operating system is not analogous to democracy so much as to anarchy. People don't vote on which operating system to use such that everyone is required to use it; each individual may decide for herself which to use. Thus, there can be no democratically enforced oppression, only self-inflicted.
Are we not talking about DRM in media rather than software here?
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2011, 02:28:16 AM »
Thanks for bringing attention to this problem. I am one of the masses that did not know this problem exists.
1. Is spying on people one of the problems of DRM.

Not directly, but there are implementations of DRM (such as the AACS system used on Blu-Ray discs) that facilitate spying on users of technology to some degree.

2. Are Apple products a big problem?

Not specifically. There are Apple products that implement DRM, but they are no worse than any other product which implements DRM. The real question to ask is not who created the product, but the terms (both legal and technological) under which you can use it.

3.Which products are good to use?

Unfortunately, it is not easy to enumerate which products are good and which are bad, because there are so many of them out there. Each should be considered on its own merits; by all means, feel free to ask myself or anybody else here about specific products you are considering using, or describe what your needs are and ask for advice.

4.How do we help fight against this hideous DRM?

The only way to rid the world of DRM is to not use products with DRM in them. Here is where I differ from Lorddave and EnigmaZV; I would consider obtaining a pirated copy of a movie to be the only ethical way to obtain it, if it is not available legally in DRM-free form. Breaking the law to obtain a copy that you can use freely is better than allowing the perpetrators of a DRM scheme to legally control your use of the technology you own.

An effective way to fight DRM is to use free software (that is, software that can be freely used, shared and modified) on your personal computer. See my response to PizzaPlanet below for an explanation of why using only free software protects you from DRM. The most popular free software operating system is GNU/Linux, of which the most popular distribution is Ubuntu -- while Ubuntu is not 100% free software, it is a reasonable starting point because one of its goals is to be easy to use for those inexperienced with Unix.

The difference being that a choice of operating system is not analogous to democracy so much as to anarchy. People don't vote on which operating system to use such that everyone is required to use it; each individual may decide for herself which to use. Thus, there can be no democratically enforced oppression, only self-inflicted.
Are we not talking about DRM in media rather than software here?

The two are intricately linked. DRM in media requires software that honours that DRM to have any effect at all. This, in turn, requires the software to be non-free, so that its publisher can control what it allows people to do.

It therefore follows that by using only free software, one can escape from DRM entirely.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2011, 02:33:43 AM »
I know this is irrelevant, but why is Ubuntu not as free as Debian?

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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2011, 03:26:13 AM »
I know this is irrelevant, but why is Ubuntu not as free as Debian?

Ubuntu includes non-free firmware in the kernel (part of the base system), and also provides non-free application software in its package repositories. While Debian also provides an optional package repository containing non-free applications for use with the Debian system, these are clearly documented as not being officially part of Debian. Debian also has a policy against non-free firmware in the kernel.
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Re: Libraries supporting DRM
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2011, 05:56:53 PM »
lol

In addition to BF3, I've also pre-ordered Arkham City on Steam. I have to leap through 3 levels of DRM for AC:

1. SecuROM
2. Windows Live
3. Steam

Looks like I'm part of the problem.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2011, 07:29:22 PM »
lol

In addition to BF3, I've also pre-ordered Arkham City on Steam. I have to leap through 3 levels of DRM for AC:

1. SecuROM
2. Windows Live
3. Steam

Looks like I'm part of the problem.

Don't worry we're all in this sinking ship together. It's already too late!

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2011, 08:46:17 PM »
It started to be too late when people figured out they could broadcast games over the radio to be used in your C64 tape drive.
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2011, 02:49:44 AM »
lol

In addition to BF3, I've also pre-ordered Arkham City on Steam. I have to leap through 3 levels of DRM for AC:

1. SecuROM
2. Windows Live
3. Steam

Looks like I'm part of the problem.
I don't think windows live or steam constitute DRM since neither is required to actually play the game.
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