How does GPS work if no satellites?

clap clap jroa

i bet the government paid you to be a mod

Do you know how AM radio works? How you can get AM radio stations from different parts of the world. Especially if you're next to a body of water? That how GPS can work without Satellites. The signal bounces off our atmosphere and also bounces of WATER. 

Do you know how AM radio works? How you can get AM radio stations from different parts of the world. Especially if you're next to a body of water? That how GPS can work without Satellites. The signal bounces off our atmosphere and also bounces of WATER.

Wrong.

Funny how if my Dish Network dish moves 1cm and it loses signal.   Bet they don't have an answer for that one.

Your dish could move 10 meters and suffer no loss of signal.

You probably were trying to say degrees off target.
That would be measured in . . . degrees. Not distance.

Always make your reader guess what you are trying to say
while smugly insinuating they are stupid.

 

GPS does not work by satellites.
GPS works by entities which deliver the data numbers and information to the computer or device,thats all.
instead of thinking paradoxical, which lead you to nothing, you have to know that there are innumerable entities which give us the wrong impression about technology and science. humans being are being fooled by those entities.

First off, I don't believe in a flat earth, I'm just doing this as a thought experiment.

What about this dome that some models of the flat earth have?

You could explain how GPS works without satellites by saying the signal sources are actually outside of the antarctic wall and pointed at the dome.  So now you have a way to explain the fact that the signal sources seem to come from space and some new information on the whole antarctic quarantine zone conspiracy theory.

Of course it would fall apart if you applied basic trigonometry but that's most of flat earth theory(sorry guys, I didn't invent trigonometry).

jroa,  your phone uses several different navigation technologies such as dead reckoning, cell phone tower triangulation, wifi triangulation and probably a few others I can't think of simultaneously to come up with a location.  To accurately test what a technology is capable of you would need to make sure you're only using one navigation method at a time.  Try disabling the wifi, bluetooth, cell radio and accelerometer and use an app like https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2&hl=en.  Which reads the raw gps data.

GPS does not work by satellites.
GPS works by entities which deliver the data numbers and information to the computer or device,thats all.
instead of thinking paradoxical, which lead you to nothing, you have to know that there are innumerable entities which give us the wrong impression about technology and science. humans being are being fooled by those entities.

Please identify these objects.

Quote from: truthterra on July 15, 2016, 05:38:04 AM

GPS does not work by satellites.
GPS works by entities which deliver the data numbers and information to the computer or device,thats all.
instead of thinking paradoxical, which lead you to nothing, you have to know that there are innumerable entities which give us the wrong impression about technology and science. humans being are being fooled by those entities.

Please identify these objects.

Everything has a mind or consciousness, frankly I have never seen one of those friends, only people with mind can see them, I have no mind I have consciousness, they choose to stay behind curtains for definitive reason.

I was vacationing in Norfolk Virginia and the satellite dishes on a tv or radio station were pointed south at about a 45 degree angle. Please explain that.

I was vacationing in Norfolk Virginia and the satellite dishes on a tv or radio station were pointed south at about a 45 degree angle. Please explain that.

That makes no sense, please rewrite with more detail like the stations the dishes were recriving.

The satellites used for telephone and television (and internet) communication are pointed at geosynchronous satellites, which, by necessity, must orbit above the tropical zone, roughly within a few degrees of the Equator.  There are several such satellites and a dish antenna must be carefully aimed at the specific satellite associated with a communication service.  Each satellite is replaced after several years and occasionally the dish antenna must be re-aligned.

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I was vacationing in Norfolk Virginia and the satellite dishes on a tv or radio station were pointed south at about a 45 degree angle. Please explain that.

That makes no sense, please rewrite with more detail like the stations the dishes were recriving.

It was a four story station called WGNT. I'm not sure what type of dishes they were but they were pointing south at a 45 degree angle.

GPS does not work by satellites.
GPS works by entities which deliver the data numbers and information to the computer or device,thats all.
instead of thinking paradoxical, which lead you to nothing, you have to know that there are innumerable entities which give us the wrong impression about technology and science. humans being are being fooled by those entities.

You just have to realise that Mr TruthTerra saying something does not mean anything at all!

There is tons of evidence that GPS and GLONOSS use satellites, so unless you can come up with more than empty claims your posts is worthless.

Funny thing.  The "pseudollites" are planted around the ice wall to pretend to be GPS satellite signals .... yet (1) how high are the poles they're fixed on?  Must be plenty high to get a radio signal to my GPS receiver when a view of something a good deal closer - like the Empire State Building - is impossible to see, (2) and the radio signal is ultra-high frequency, which does not bounce off the ionosphere but penetrates it so the radio signal must be coming straight to me, but light from the Eiffel Tower, which is a good deal closer, is not coming to me at all.

Also, telescopes aimed at the sky can see satellites, sometimes even during the daytime.  Something's up there. 

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up? 

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Quote from: jroa on July 18, 2016, 03:41:36 PM

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot. 

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Quote from: jroa on July 18, 2016, 03:41:36 PM

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

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Quote from: jroa on July 18, 2016, 03:41:36 PM

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

Are you saying thar pseudolites don't exist? 

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Quote from: jroa on July 18, 2016, 03:41:36 PM

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

Are you saying thar pseudolites don't exist? 

Not to the extent that you think they do.  Pseudolites only exist in local, specialized contexts. 

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Quote from: jroa on July 18, 2016, 03:41:36 PM

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

Are you saying thar pseudolites don't exist? 

Not to the extent that you think they do.  Pseudolites only exist in local, specialized contexts. 

And you know this how?

GPS works by having satellites with uber-precise atomic clocks measure how long it takes for a signal to reach the satellite and it uses that to figure out exactly how far away the object is. That means that there is a special shell of possible points that the object could be in. A second satellite does the same thing, and combined with the first satellite, it makes a ring of possible points. A third satellite makes two possible points, of which one is probably unrealistic, so that is how it knows exactly where you are. Forth and fifth satellites are added for extra precision.

A fun fact, these satellites had to use both general and special relativity in their calculations because of the difference in gravity wells between the ground and space where they are orbiting. 

That's how they work in Round Earth, no idea how they would work in any of the Flat Earth Theories.

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Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

Are you saying thar pseudolites don't exist? 

The existance of A does not prove the non existance of B.

OK let's suppose that those "pseudollites" are posted wherever it was convenient, or possible.

GPS receivers work even in the middle of the ocean.  Even in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific, far far out of sight of any land, even the smallest island or reef.  Where was the pseudollite?  (Actually, I think there'd have to be more that one pseudollite position required to get this effect.)   Is it possible that, somehow, the govts of the world pounded poles with signal generators on them in the middle of the ocean - poles long enough to reach to the sea bottom and still post a signal generator high enough over the water that it would be picked up by a ship at sea hundreds of miles away.  The enormous expense of posting so many huge poles, and the number of men and boats used in pounding these posts into the ocean floor .... and the fact that you've never heard a word about even one of those men or boats.  And the fact that no ship has ever bumped into one of the pseudollite poles.

You should ask  yourself, how much work and manpower and money is involved in maintaining this supposed hoax - contrasted to what money or advantage there is in maintaining the hoax, and the fact that nobody involved has ever spilled the beans?

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Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

Are you saying thar pseudolites don't exist? 

The existance of A does not prove the non existance of B.

Nor does your insistence that B exists negate the existence of A.  Kind of funny how logic works, am I right?

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Quote from: jroa on July 18, 2016, 03:41:36 PM

Pseudolites could be anywhere, not just at the "ice wall".  Why are you making things up?

He's not the one making things up. 

Oh, so, pseudolites can only be found at the "ice wall"?  Idiot.

You have no evidence that GPS satellites are actually pseudolites, yet you assert that they are anyway. 

Are you saying thar pseudolites don't exist? 

The existance of A does not prove the non existance of B.

Nor does your insistence that B exists negate the existence of A.  Kind of funny how logic works, am I right?

However GPS uses satellites.

OK let's suppose that those "pseudollites" are posted wherever it was convenient, or possible.

GPS receivers work even in the middle of the ocean.  Even in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific, far far out of sight of any land, even the smallest island or reef.  Where was the pseudollite?  (Actually, I think there'd have to be more that one pseudollite position required to get this effect.)   Is it possible that, somehow, the govts of the world pounded poles with signal generators on them in the middle of the ocean - poles long enough to reach to the sea bottom and still post a signal generator high enough over the water that it would be picked up by a ship at sea hundreds of miles away.  The enormous expense of posting so many huge poles, and the number of men and boats used in pounding these posts into the ocean floor .... and the fact that you've never heard a word about even one of those men or boats.  And the fact that no ship has ever bumped into one of the pseudollite poles.

You should ask  yourself, how much work and manpower and money is involved in maintaining this supposed hoax - contrasted to what money or advantage there is in maintaining the hoax, and the fact that nobody involved has ever spilled the beans?

JROA answer his questions if you can.

They are floating in the ocean... Hundreds, no thousands, no billiions of them are floating in the ocean. Don't you see them?

Are satellites an impossible technology ? not at all.
Let me take a guess, there are no satellites in space, and no one can't penetrate space because it's like the cuipher belt just a belt of teleportation gates that bring you back to your position or to other position.

Are satellites an impossible technology ? not at all.
Let me take a guess, there are no satellites in space, and no one can't penetrate space because it's like the cuipher belt just a belt of teleportation gates that bring you back to your position or to other position.

And, have you any idea of what the Kuiper Belt is?

Ever thought of writing "Science Fantasy" stories. You ideas are far too way out to ever be called "Science Fiction".