Mach 20 flight

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Mach 20 flight
« on: August 09, 2011, 07:33:43 PM »
« Last Edit: August 09, 2011, 07:42:01 PM by thefireproofmatch »
we're expected to throw up our hands and just BELIEVE.

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 03:25:05 AM »
Now I know why we can't pay vet benefits with $900 billion dollars.
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 07:32:39 AM »
Stuff like this is important to try. Could you imagine having mach 20 civilian airplanes? It would revolutionize global travel. You could literally go to France for lunch, and be home in time for dinner.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 07:36:36 AM »
I'd rather we work on a series of tunnels which reach to the center of the Earth. Using only gravity and some acceleration to counteract friction, you could go literally anywhere in the world in about 40 minutes.

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 07:47:43 AM »
Doesn't making one of these conventional somewhat defeat the point? If you're not going to turn the thing on the receiving end into glass, you might as well just use a TLAM or bomb it properly.
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 08:30:58 AM »
Stuff like this is important to try. Could you imagine having mach 20 civilian airplanes? It would revolutionize global travel. You could literally go to France for lunch, and be home in time for dinner.
In time for dinner? At mach 20, you could get to the US from france in less than 30 minutes.
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thefireproofmatch

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 10:48:53 AM »
Launch is postponed until tomorrow due to weather
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 12:55:30 PM »
Stuff like this is important to try. Could you imagine having mach 20 civilian airplanes? It would revolutionize global travel. You could literally go to France for lunch, and be home in time for dinner.
In time for dinner? At mach 20, you could get to the US from france in less than 30 minutes.

But you'd still need to deal with the airport and customs lineups, which can take a couple hours by themselves.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Lorddave

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 01:57:10 PM »
Stuff like this is important to try. Could you imagine having mach 20 civilian airplanes? It would revolutionize global travel. You could literally go to France for lunch, and be home in time for dinner.
In time for dinner? At mach 20, you could get to the US from france in less than 30 minutes.

But you'd still need to deal with the airport and customs lineups, which can take a couple hours by themselves.
Depends on the season you travel.
I went through customs in Canada(Toronto), Germany(Zurich), and Norway(Oslo) during the Christmas season and it wasn't that bad.
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 02:47:16 PM »
Wel, MAtch 20 may sound terrific about traveling, but you really need to consider some things about this. A rocket, missile or the like, is "immune" to accelerations, inertia and such, and its basic idea is to crash and explode, so you can remove a lot of unnecessary systems like landing ones, atmosphere keeping, etc....

I am not saying that it is impossible at all, in fact I think that it can be really possible and this development may lead us to a Match 10, match 15 and so aircrafts.... on time. Concorde was dismissed and it was not a Match 5 aircraft.

Match 20 will likely come..unless we can develop a working macroscopic quantum interleaving system that can help us to simply dismiss distances instead of flying them.


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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 07:18:26 AM »
http://twitter.com/#!/DARPA_News

Less than 30 minutes until launch.
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 07:51:31 AM »
Stuff like this is important to try. Could you imagine having mach 20 civilian airplanes? It would revolutionize global travel. You could literally go to France for lunch, and be home in time for dinner.

With airport security checks, loading/unloading times you're looking at adding another couple of hours, then you have to consider that most people won't take kindly to being suddenly whacked up to 20 times the speed of sound so you need a slower acceleration, if you were going to France then by the time you got anywhere past Mach 2 you'd be looking at slowing down to land.

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2011, 01:24:17 PM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.
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Ozymandiax

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2011, 01:06:04 AM »
Well, it was just a testing to learn about conditions at such speeds. I do not think that they had any idea of recovering the plane ( looks more like a bullet )

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 06:37:14 AM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.

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Lorddave

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2011, 06:56:04 AM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2011, 07:14:11 AM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.

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Lorddave

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2011, 07:32:32 AM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.
I bet most of the manufacturing jobs were union as well as the jobs created to make the raw materials of said plane.
The research guys were probably contract.

Also: education spending creates jobs.
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2011, 07:59:32 AM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.
I bet most of the manufacturing jobs were union as well as the jobs created to make the raw materials of said plane.
The research guys were probably contract.

Also: education spending creates jobs.

As long as its not unionized it might be something I could get behind.

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Lorddave

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2011, 08:12:46 AM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.
I bet most of the manufacturing jobs were union as well as the jobs created to make the raw materials of said plane.
The research guys were probably contract.

Also: education spending creates jobs.

As long as its not unionized it might be something I could get behind.
Then how would you keep teachers from being fired for not teaching creationism when the principal doesn't believe in evolution?

And seriously, why are unions bad? They negotiate a contract both sides agree on and renegotiate every few years. They offer legal protection when some kid decides to lie about something you did or said. They require evaluations of teachers every few years to ensure they are teaching what they should be. And they ensure that a non-profit, no consequence for having crappy teachers district hires at a decent wage.

I'm not sure why you seem to think all teacher unions want $70,000 start salaries and 100% fully paid health care and force districts to pay millions just to hire a janitor.
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2011, 03:02:54 PM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.
I bet most of the manufacturing jobs were union as well as the jobs created to make the raw materials of said plane.
The research guys were probably contract.

Also: education spending creates jobs.

As long as its not unionized it might be something I could get behind.
Then how would you keep teachers from being fired for not teaching creationism when the principal doesn't believe in evolution?

And seriously, why are unions bad? They negotiate a contract both sides agree on and renegotiate every few years. They offer legal protection when some kid decides to lie about something you did or said. They require evaluations of teachers every few years to ensure they are teaching what they should be. And they ensure that a non-profit, no consequence for having crappy teachers district hires at a decent wage.

I'm not sure why you seem to think all teacher unions want $70,000 start salaries and 100% fully paid health care and force districts to pay millions just to hire a janitor.

I can only provide an European point of view here, we have loads of unions as well, but please accept it as my 2 cents:

I think unions are necessary, but I do not think they are a good thing. Most of the time they look for their butts, not people's interest.
Necessary because sometimes they really make their job..... but my opinion is that many times they do not.

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Lorddave

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2011, 03:10:31 PM »
And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.
So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.
I bet most of the manufacturing jobs were union as well as the jobs created to make the raw materials of said plane.
The research guys were probably contract.

Also: education spending creates jobs.

As long as its not unionized it might be something I could get behind.
Then how would you keep teachers from being fired for not teaching creationism when the principal doesn't believe in evolution?

And seriously, why are unions bad? They negotiate a contract both sides agree on and renegotiate every few years. They offer legal protection when some kid decides to lie about something you did or said. They require evaluations of teachers every few years to ensure they are teaching what they should be. And they ensure that a non-profit, no consequence for having crappy teachers district hires at a decent wage.

I'm not sure why you seem to think all teacher unions want $70,000 start salaries and 100% fully paid health care and force districts to pay millions just to hire a janitor.

I can only provide an European point of view here, we have loads of unions as well, but please accept it as my 2 cents:

I think unions are necessary, but I do not think they are a good thing. Most of the time they look for their butts, not people's interest.
Necessary because sometimes they really make their job..... but my opinion is that many times they do not.
I assume by "look for their butts" you mean "look out for themselves"?
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2011, 04:55:05 PM »
Then how would you keep teachers from being fired for not teaching creationism when the principal doesn't believe in evolution?

And seriously, why are unions bad? They negotiate a contract both sides agree on and renegotiate every few years. They offer legal protection when some kid decides to lie about something you did or said. They require evaluations of teachers every few years to ensure they are teaching what they should be. And they ensure that a non-profit, no consequence for having crappy teachers district hires at a decent wage.

I'm not sure why you seem to think all teacher unions want $70,000 start salaries and 100% fully paid health care and force districts to pay millions just to hire a janitor.

Unions are the socialism of the workforce.  A companies success is at the mercy of the average of its employees.  You cannot reward better performing employees and you cannot get rid of worthless ones. 

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2011, 07:08:26 PM »
Then how would you keep teachers from being fired for not teaching creationism when the principal doesn't believe in evolution?

And seriously, why are unions bad? They negotiate a contract both sides agree on and renegotiate every few years. They offer legal protection when some kid decides to lie about something you did or said. They require evaluations of teachers every few years to ensure they are teaching what they should be. And they ensure that a non-profit, no consequence for having crappy teachers district hires at a decent wage.

I'm not sure why you seem to think all teacher unions want $70,000 start salaries and 100% fully paid health care and force districts to pay millions just to hire a janitor.

Unions are the socialism of the workforce.  A companies success is at the mercy of the average of its employees.  You cannot reward better performing employees and you cannot get rid of worthless ones.

First off, neither one of these are true.
The first part is actually called a contract.  A Union may negotiate a contract but it's still a contract.  Many private businesses have contractual employees.  Depending on the contract a raise may be automatic or it may be based on performance.  Every union creates a different contract with it's employers (if they create one at all).

As for getting rid of worthless ones, this is actually more common than not.  A union can fight to help an employee but normally there is a clause in the contract to allow an employer to dismiss a unionized employee for various reasons including under performance.  The only time you get poor workers who just can't be fired is when the Union leader is corrupt.  But if they can't, that's the fault of the negotiators who forged the contract, not the union itself.  Heck, even if a person is performing at the bare minimum to keep from being instantly fired from the job according to the contract, not even the Union Leader could dismiss them.  Union leaders do not have the power to hire or fire nor can they legally "look away" when there's a contract violation, regardless of who agrees that it should be done.
If you sign a contract stating that you will work for me at $50,000/year and that I can dismiss you only if you don't reach a production quota of 20 units a day, as long as you reach that 20, my hands are tied.  You could be the biggest asshole in the world and I can't fire you because I signed a contract stating I couldn't. 

So really what you should be hating is not unions, but poorly written contracts.

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2011, 07:24:57 PM »
My problem is the amount of poorly written contracts.  Probably the majority of them.

Also tenure.


Also this.....

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/03/08/5_reasons_unions_are_bad_for_america

and this....

http://www.newswithviews.com/Coffman/mike121.htm

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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2011, 08:40:46 PM »
My problem is the amount of poorly written contracts.  Probably the majority of them.
Well the company agreed to them.  It's not like they are FORCED to sign it.  They can refuse to sign it and hire non-union labor (called scabs).  There is no law, as far as I know, that forces all businesses to recognize and agree to the demands of any and all Unions.

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Also tenure.
Tenure basically means that a teacher is no longer on probation.  Their methods are sound and they do not require constant evaluation.  Are they evaluated every few years?  Yes they are.  Or should be anyway.  As with all administrations such evaluations aren't always done on schedule.

Most businesses have a probationary period.  Few are as long as 3 years.

And how does one even know if a teacher is a good teacher or a bad one?  There are only two ways.  The first being to catch them doing what they shouldn't be doing.  The second is through the students.  If kids complain that their teacher doesn't teach them much or well, that'll prompt investigations (or should).  However, it is my experience that the easier a class is, the less complaints kids give.  And in grades 6-12, how often do think students will go to the office and complain that they don't get enough homework or enough material to study?

So please, don't look at tenure as being the end all of teacher protection.  It isn't.




http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/03/08/5_reasons_unions_are_bad_for_america

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1) Unions are severely damaging whole industries
Again, a contract agreed upon by the car companies.  I guess they didn't have the foresight to see that in 30 years they wouldn't be selling as many cars.
I'm sorry but a Union may have negotiated that contract but the business still has to honor it.  Even if you were to eliminate all unions right now and forever, those pensions are still going to be paid because that's the contract that was signed.  Or are you going to honestly claim that one shouldn't pay it's debts when times get tough?


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2) Unions are ruining public education
Epic fail on this one.
Do you wanna know what the #1 need of funding is for schools to improve?  Smaller class sizes.  In my school there are 9 periods in a day.  Of those, each teacher is required to teach 5 of them.  1 for lunch, 2 for planning (grading papers, preparing lessons, meeting students who need extra help, etc...) and one "duty".  The duty is usually either study hall or monitoring the cafeteria or hall.
Of those 5, the average teacher has about 30 students each.  That's about 150 students a day.  Now can you tell me how 1 teacher is going to effectively teach and help 150 students a day?  Kids go home when that last bell rings and few stay for extra help. Not only that but each teacher needs to cover a certain amount of subject material every day to ensure that all the required material is covered in a given year.  The more kids need help, the less they can cover.  Since they can't cover less without fucking up the state testing, they are forced to rush faster than they should.
Result: less effective learning.

And as resources dwindle in school budgets (which are largely made up of state funds) Teachers get laid off.  When that happens, class sizes increase.  Add to it increasing population and the problems only multiply.

You also have the school board, which is elected by the people, and vote to give HUGE raises to administration then in the next sentence, cut teacher positions.  Voter apathy on school board elections allow such people to remain in power for decades.

As for Unions preventing bad teachers from being fired: No, they simply argue for the best contract they can get and, sadly, some people are able to keep their heads above water even though they should be fired.  It's the same reason why some students who should fail are able to squeeze by with that 66.  When you set the baseline, you have to adhere to it.

As for merit pay: Horrible, horrible idea.
Here I'll demonstrate:
Wardogg, your pay is now based on the amount of insurgents you kill.  If you don't kill 20 insurgents a month, you're dishonorably discharged.  Also, you can't chose the missions.  Oh and kills must be recorded on this sheet.  You don't have to prove that you killed them, just write it down here.

Merit system is this:
Dave, your pay is now based on the amount of kids who pass.  If you don't have 20/30 passing kids a month, you're fired.  Also you can't choose the subject you teach.  Oh and grades must be recorded on your grade book.  You don't have to prove that they got the write answer or show us all their papers just write the final score down here.


The corruption would be rampant.  Hell, there's already enough "passing kids who shouldn't pass" due to bitchy parents as well as preventing massive over crowing.


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) Unions are costing you billions of tax dollars: Let's put it plain and simple: Government workers shouldn't be allowed to unionize. Period.

Why?

Because you elect representatives to look out for your interests.

It's obviously in your interest to pay as little as possible to government workers, to keep their benefits as low as possible, and to hire as few of them as possible to do the job.
Let me rephrase what he's saying:
All government jobs should be done by with the lowest quality employees we can get and barely enough of them.

Is that how a business should run?  Or should we strive to hire the best we can hire?
Also, I don't know of ANY government job that pays more than an equivalent private business job. 
Mercenaries get paid more than marines, right?


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4) Unions are fundamentally anti-democratic : How in the world did we get to the point where people can be forced to join a union just to get a job at certain places? Then, after they're dragooned into the union, they have no choice other than to pay dues that are used for political activities which the unwilling dues-paying member may oppose.

Add to that the fact that the Democrats and the government unions collaborate to subvert democracy at the expense of the taxpayer and it's not a pretty picture. Worse yet, unions have gotten so voracious that they even want to do away with the secret ballot, via card check, so they can openly bully people into joining unions. The way unions behave in this country is undemocratic, un-American, and it should trouble anyone who cares about freedom and individual rights.
Always depends on the Union but simply put, you can apply this to any organized group.  Watch:

Christianity is fundamentally anti-democratic: How in the world did we get to the point where people can be forced to join Christianity just to get a job at certain places?  Then, after they're dragooned into Christianity, they have no choice other than to pay dues that are used for political activities (in the church) which the unwilling dues-paying member may oppose?

Add to that fact that the Pope and the various churches collaborate to subvert democracy at the expense of the taxpayer and it's not a pretty picture.  Worse yet, Christianity has gotten so voracious that they even want to do away with the separation of church and state so they can openly bully people into joining their religion.  The way Christianity behaves in this country is undemocratic, un-American, and it should trouble anyone who cares about freedom and individual rights.


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Any group who has power will ultimately elect or put in power a leader who is power hungry or easily corruptible.  It happens with any and every group of enough power or influence that has ever existed.  You might as well say "Democracy is ruining Democracy".


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5) Government unions are bankrupting cities and states
Again, Pensions.  I'm sorry but no one forced the government to agree to the contracts.  They simply thought that it would be fine.  30 years later, it wasn't.  You can't just ignore those pensions.  It would be like if the US government decided Social Security was going to be abolished and anyone who paid into it has lost all the money. 

Of course, you have a pension do you not?  If, 20 years from now, the Government said that your pension is going to be revoked due to budget cuts and you won't get any money back, how will you feel?




Frankly, everything that guy said is either misinformed ranting or basic "Times suck but we still have bills to pay" crap.  No one bothers to think about when times are hard.  No one bothers to plan ahead.  Contracts are happily written with the belief that the good times will keep going.  And it's not like Unions don't keep up with the times.  Pensions aren't as grand as they once were.  The problem is that you don't see the results of smaller pensions until the employee retires, which is likely not for another 30 years. 
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Re: Mach 20 flight
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2011, 04:08:57 AM »
Its arguments like these that make me realise just how much I love living in Australia.

Madatory Superanuation and government standardised award rates and employment regulations means that we have few problems with poorly written employment contracts. Baisically the government sets the minimum fair standard, if somone is a good employee you can give them more.

Our unions are baisically just another lobby group.


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