Alternative FET Map which addresses Southern Hemisphere issues

Quote from: momentia on September 26, 2011, 09:22:08 PM

Tom Bishop questioned the validity of RE solar position calculators.

What you were replying to was questioning the validity of sunrise and sunset estimations as proof of a round Earth. You even quoted it in your post.

Those are calculators. They predict what the sunrise and sunset times will be if the earth were a globe and RET were true. They operate under the pretense of a Round Earth.

Unless someone has traveled the world verifying the accuracy of the calculator we can only take it for what it is: a calculator which makes unverified predictions.

You guys seem to believe that random people are always paying close attention the the events of the heavens and constantly comparing them to Round Earth predictions. They wouldn't know to do that. They already operate under the assumption that Round Earth Theory is true. No one is out there testing it. No one considers that RET is false.

Quote from: 29silhouette on September 26, 2011, 08:14:49 PM

What do they see when they look straight up?  I'm also curious about what those along the equator see when they look up.  Would they see the north and south stars moving away from eachother the further one travels along the equator from the 'middle'?

Yes. That's exactly what they see.





At the equator one sees the stars in the gears coming together and then spreading apart.

No it doesn't. The images are being warped by an image editing program to make them symmetrical. You can see the warping when looking at the clouds and the land.

Wow This thread has followed some twists and turns.

Flight times:
         FE stance: Flight times are irrelevant to the shape of the earth.
This is true. Flight times ALONE are meaningless to the shape of the earth.

         RE stance: There is such a vast difference in the known daily flight times of documented flight and what would be needed to match up on the FE Maps proposed on this site that the maps proposed on this site can not work, and are not even good starting points for FET.
This is true. All proposed FE maps are full of problems and flight time compared from RE maps to any FE maps are just another peice of evidence against FE.

A model for the activity of the sun, and other celestial bodies
        FE stance:RE fails to accuratley predict these things
        RE stance:This is false. There are a miriad of ways to predict these thing in RE and there are countles tools and methods that are used every day with high precision.

TB's map as proposed in his OP
Its worse than the distorted UN map that has been used for years. you get good idea and thinking outside the box points for sure, but it fails harder that Tsunami does at plotting the south pole on a FE map ^{[citation needed]}.

I woudl like to see an animation like the ones momential made on toms new map posted for the regular FE map. I think it would show a much simpler version of day and night light arround the surface of the earth. though one has to dismiss the "D" shape inherant to the whole idea of how light land on the surface of the earth to make the model comply with observed reality. I woudl also like to see that animation side by side with a "O" shaped spot and /or a prediction of lunar and solar eclipse paths on the FE map. That may be too much to ask though.

Quote from: Sentient Pizza on October 11, 2011, 06:53:28 PM

Wow This thread has followed some twists and turns.

Flight times:
         FE stance: Flight times are irrelevant to the shape of the earth.
This is true. Flight times ALONE are meaningless to the shape of the earth.

         RE stance: There is such a vast difference in the known daily flight times of documented flight and what would be needed to match up on the FE Maps proposed on this site that the maps proposed on this site can not work, and are not even good starting points for FET.
This is true. All proposed FE maps are full of problems and flight time compared from RE maps to any FE maps are just another peice of evidence against FE.

A model for the activity of the sun, and other celestial bodies
        FE stance:RE fails to accuratley predict these things
        RE stance:This is false. There are a miriad of ways to predict these thing in RE and there are countles tools and methods that are used every day with high precision.

TB's map as proposed in his OP
Its worse than the distorted UN map that has been used for years. you get good idea and thinking outside the box points for sure, but it fails harder that Tsunami does at plotting the south pole on a FE map ^{[citation needed]}.

I woudl like to see an animation like the ones momential made on toms new map posted for the regular FE map. I think it would show a much simpler version of day and night light arround the surface of the earth. though one has to dismiss the "D" shape inherant to the whole idea of how light land on the surface of the earth to make the model comply with observed reality. I woudl also like to see that animation side by side with a "O" shaped spot and /or a prediction of lunar and solar eclipse paths on the FE map. That may be too much to ask though.

My mistake that sentance should have said "....it fails harder than Tsunami does at plotting the south pole base on a FE map"

Here is your citation: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49767.80
Please reference reply #85, the read the rest of the thread where you get destroyed over your placement of it and you argue that you cant provide the maths you used becaused it involved fractions.

Quote from: 29silhouette on September 26, 2011, 08:14:49 PM

What do they see when they look straight up?  I'm also curious about what those along the equator see when they look up.  Would they see the north and south stars moving away from eachother the further one travels along the equator from the 'middle'?

Yes. That's exactly what they see.





At the equator one sees the stars in the gears coming together and then spreading apart.

Interesting, though.  Have you not considered that this is the result of a perspective shot from inside a sphere?

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Interesting, though.  Have you not considered that this is the result of a perspective shot from inside a sphere?

The earth is not a sphere.

Why has no one mentioned as to how people in Australia and other distorted countries on the map not have noticed the gigantic distances, I can complete a drive to Melbourne from Warrnambool (Australian Cities) in under three hours, on that map it would take a huge amount longer than that.

yea sorry I am drunk 

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Interesting, though.  Have you not considered that this is the result of a perspective shot from inside a sphere?

The earth is not a sphere.

Quote from: Sentient Pizza on October 12, 2011, 06:36:29 AM

My mistake that sentance should have said "....it fails harder than Tsunami does at plotting the south pole base on a FE map"

Here is your citation: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49767.80
Please reference reply #85, the read the rest of the thread where you get destroyed over your placement of it and you argue that you cant provide the maths you used becaused it involved fractions.

Does that mean we can eat his delicious looking chicken now?

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Interesting, though.  Have you not considered that this is the result of a perspective shot from inside a sphere?

The earth is not a sphere.

Quote from: Belsaggoth on October 25, 2011, 01:35:56 AM

Why has no one mentioned as to how people in Australia and other distorted countries on the map not have noticed the gigantic distances, I can complete a drive to Melbourne from Warrnambool (Australian Cities) in under three hours, on that map it would take a huge amount longer than that.

Because you don't know how to read the scale on maps?

Quote from: Thork on October 25, 2011, 01:41:55 AM

Quote from: Belsaggoth on October 25, 2011, 01:35:56 AM

Why has no one mentioned as to how people in Australia and other distorted countries on the map not have noticed the gigantic distances, I can complete a drive to Melbourne from Warrnambool (Australian Cities) in under three hours, on that map it would take a huge amount longer than that.

Because you don't know how to read the scale on maps?

When has an FE'er ever provided a scale for one of their FE maps?

Quote from: markjo on October 25, 2011, 11:27:02 AM

Quote from: Thork on October 25, 2011, 01:41:55 AM

Quote from: Belsaggoth on October 25, 2011, 01:35:56 AM

Why has no one mentioned as to how people in Australia and other distorted countries on the map not have noticed the gigantic distances, I can complete a drive to Melbourne from Warrnambool (Australian Cities) in under three hours, on that map it would take a huge amount longer than that.

Because you don't know how to read the scale on maps?

When has an FE'er ever provided a scale for one of their FE maps?

Please link a post where you have ever asked for a scale.

I've posted this before, but these questions about the Southern Hemisphere keep coming up. There is an alternative FET map which addresses some concerns about the South Celestial Pole and travel times.



In the above model there are two spinning celestial systems suspended over the earth. One is centered over the North Pole and the other is centered over Antarctica. When observers on South America, Africa, or Australia look Southwards they will see the Southern Celestial System.

The magnetic field lines blossom outwards from the North Pole as well as the South Pole. Imagine that the distorted longitude lines on the above map are magnetic field lines which the compass aligns with. In the North the compass will align with the field lines and take the user around the North Pole while traveling Eastwards or Westwards. Likewise, in the South the compass will align with the field lines and take the user around the South Pole while traveling Eastwards or Westwards.

There is still an Ice Wall in this model, but is it not Antarctica. Beyond the rays of the sun the waters surrounding the earth will naturally freeze.

This map is still completely wrong with distances, though.

This map is still completely wrong with distances, though.

Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 27, 2011, 02:53:45 AM

This map is still completely wrong with distances, though.

We have amply dealt with all the necessary distances and arguments with this map, the corrrect one , many times before. Please read through my messages, and you will find it is so...the RE used any and all points they could think of, and still I was able to prevail...but, it cannot be used with the 32 mile diameter Sun, or with a 3000 mile distance from Earth to the Sun...

THERE IS NO ICE WALL, NO SUCH THING. The FE should give up this bullshit argument, as it does hurt badly the official theory.

We have the Schumann cavity, the aether discovered by Airy in his famous experiment...

What evidence do you have of this ridiculous theory?  There are many extremely advanced cities close to the equator, which have professionals in many fields, including surveyors and astronomers.




Singapore



Bogota



Jakarta




I especially like the one of Jakarta, you can see the early cave paintings, the dwellers have written in their own feces