Why did the dinosaurs die?

I've looked around a little, and can't find an answer. If you don't believe in Pangaea, and the countries started off as split up, then why did the dinosaurs die? Surely, the massive meteor that split up pangaea, killed the dino's off too, but if there was no meteor, and the continents were already split, how did they all die?

Elliott x

Why would there not be a meteor?

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I've looked around a little, and can't find an answer. If you don't believe in Pangaea, and the countries started off as split up, then why did the dinosaurs die? Surely, the massive meteor that split up pangaea, killed the dino's off too, but if there was no meteor, and the continents were already split, how did they all die?

Elliott x

Uhh... the meteor did not split up Pangaea.

Via my trusty Bio book: "Changes in climate due to continental drift, increases volcanism, and other processes on Earth [...] could have caused the mass extinction event 65 million years ago. [...] It is possible that an asteroid impact was the sudden final blow in an environmental assault on late Cretaceous life that included more gradual processes."

The existence of Pangaea is currently being disputed.  Do keep in mind that there are dinosaurs that exist to this day.

Maybe one dinosaur species was just a super effective predictor and ate all the others? With nothing left to eat it died too. Global extinction explained, of all the large animals without giant meteorites, a total change in earth's climate, no super-volcanoes or pandemic diseases. It would need to be at home in the water as all those animals died too, but a prehistoric super crocodile would be high on my list of suspects. Or being as this is FES, the first dinosaur to manufacture guns.

Maybe one dinosaur species was just a super effective predictor and ate all the others? With nothing left to eat it died too. Global extinction explained of all the large animals without giant meteorites, a total change in earth's climate, no super-volcanoes or pandemic diseases. It would need to be at home in the water as all those animals died too, but a prehistoric super crocodile would be high on my list of subjects. Or being as this is FES, the first dinosaur to manufacture guns.

Then I suppose the cooling of the climate, large volcanic eruptions in India, and the asteroid were all just coincidences?

Then I suppose the cooling of the climate, large volcanic eruptions in India, and the asteroid were all just coincidences?

So which is it then? Volcanoes, ice age or a meteor. (You seem not to favour pandemic). If they all conspired together to kill the dinosaurs at once, then one would have to consider that a coincidence. Or a vengeful God, furious with the way dinosaurs were behaving.
The only other similar scale extinction of species recorded was due to a super-predator, us.

The Native Americans alone extincted ...

American Lion Panthera leo atrox, USA, Canada and Mexico, 10000 BC
American mastodon Mammut americanum, USA and Canada, 4080 BC
Ancient Bison Bison antiquus, USA, 8000 BC.
Beringian cave lion Panthera leo vereshchagini, Northern USA and Canada, 11000 BC.
California tapir Tapirus californicus, USA, 11000 BC.
Cuban ground sloth, Cuba, 5000 BC.
Columbian Mammoth Mammuthus columbi, USA and Mexico, 5800 BC.
Dire Wolf Canis dirus, USA, 8000 BC.
Florida giant beaver Castoroides leiseyorum, Florida, USA, 11000 BC.
Florida Short-faced Bear Tremarctos floridanus, USA, 8000 BC.
Giant Beaver Castoroides ohioensis, Great Lakes region, 11000 BC.
Giant hutia Elasmodontomys obliquus, Puerto Rico, 1000 BC.
Giant polar bear Ursus maritimus tyrannus, Arctic region.
Giant Short-faced Bear Arctodus simus, USA, 8000 BC.
Glyptotherium, USA, 8000 BC.
Hagerman horse Equus simplicidens, USA, 10000 BC.
Harlan's ground sloth Paramylodon harlani, USA and Mexico, 11000 BC.
Harlan's muskox or Woodland Muskox Bootherium bombifrons, USA, 9000 BC.
Harrington's mountain goat Oreamnos harringtoni, USA, 12000 10000 BC.
Imperial mammoth Mammuthus imperator, USA, 11000 BC.
Jefferson's ground sloth Megalonyx jeffersonii, USA and Canada, 10000-9000BC.
LeConte?s peccary Platygonus, ssp. USA, Canada and Mexico, 11000 BC.
Mountain Deer Navahoceros fricki USA, 10000 BC.
North American capybara Neochoerus pinckneyi, USA and Mexico, 11000 BC.
Pygmy Mammoth Mammuthus exilis, Channel Islands of California, USA, 10800-11300 BC.
Saber-tooth cat Smilodon fatalis and Smilodon populator, USA and South America, 8000 BC.
Saiga Antelope Saiga tatarica, USA and Canada, 11000 BC.
Shasta ground sloth Nothrotheriops, spp. USA, 11000 BC.
Scott's Horse Equus scotti, USA and Mexico, 11000 BC.
Shrub-ox Euceratherium collinum 9500 BC
Stag-moose Cervalces scotti, USA and Canada, 12000 BC.
Stilt-legged Llama Hemiauchenia macrocephala, USA and Mexico, 11000 BC.
Tar-pit pronghorn Capromeryx minor, USA and Mexico, 11000 BC.
Western Camel Camelops hesternus, USA and Mexico, 8000 BC.
Woolly Mammoth Mammuthus primigenius, Northern USA, 2000 BC.
Yukon Wild Horse Equus lambei, USA and Canada, 11000 BC.

Don't be fooled when they tell you that they are in harmony with nature.

Quote from: Harutsedo on May 15, 2011, 02:44:00 PM

Then I suppose the cooling of the climate, large volcanic eruptions in India, and the asteroid were all just coincidences?

So which is it then? Volcanoes, ice age or a meteor. (You seem not to favour pandemic). If they all conspired together to kill the dinosaurs at once, then one would have to consider that a coincidence. Or a vengeful God, furious with the way dinosaurs were behaving.
The only other similar scale extinction of species recorded was due to a super-predator, us.

I suppose I did word that weirdly. Yes, they were coincidences. The difference is, we have no records of a super predator. But we do of the meteor, volcanoes, and cooling of the climate. Possibly a pandemic. But I think, as advanced as they were, dinosaurs would have figured out how to escape disease.

You round earthers love your coincidences. lol.

The reason there are so many theories as to why the dinosaurs became extinct is because there isn't any proof any of those things wiped them out. Let me use an FE response at you. Occam's Razor. We know super-predation is a sure fire way to wipe out large numbers of species all at once. And it was only large animals that disappeared in their droves. How would you know if one animal didn't just kill all the others? Anything that kills indiscriminately would achieve that.

Imagine a creature from a harsh environment that kills whenever is possible and then gorges itself, maybe as food may not be available for another 6 months. And all of a sudden it moves into areas where food is present all year round. It will still kill whenever it can. It just won't be able to eat it all. Crocodiles are an animal that does not eat for months at a time. They do not kill when they do not need to. Evolution would wipe out any animal that killed its entire food source because it could. And that's what i am saying happened to this Super-croc that killed all the dinosaurs. Its no less valid a theory than fantastical interventions of nature. Food for thought anyway, if you will excuse the pun.

Wow Thork, that is a good FE response because it has no evidence backing it.

Bun dun chh.

Of course not. I just made it all up. You've played this game before right?

My point is that no one knows why the dinosaurs were made extinct. And that's the answer for the OP. Scientists can postulate as much as they like. I just did the same, but I've no less proof than them.

Of course not. I just made it all up. You've played this game before right?

My point is that no one knows why the dinosaurs were made extinct. And that's the answer for the OP. Scientists can postulate as much as they like. I just did the same, but I've no less proof than them.

Thork ignores all the scientific evidence.

Thork does not understand how google works.

Quote from: Thork on May 15, 2011, 03:39:23 PM

Of course not. I just made it all up. You've played this game before right?

My point is that no one knows why the dinosaurs were made extinct. And that's the answer for the OP. Scientists can postulate as much as they like. I just did the same, but I've no less proof than them.

Thork ignores all the scientific evidence.

Thork does not understand how google works.

If its on the internet it must be true Horatio.

Quote from: Horatio on May 15, 2011, 03:41:23 PM

Quote from: Thork on May 15, 2011, 03:39:23 PM

Of course not. I just made it all up. You've played this game before right?

My point is that no one knows why the dinosaurs were made extinct. And that's the answer for the OP. Scientists can postulate as much as they like. I just did the same, but I've no less proof than them.

Thork ignores all the scientific evidence.

Thork does not understand how google works.

If its on the internet it must be true Horatio.

Everything is fake because it's possible that it was faked!

I've looked around a little, and can't find an answer. If you don't believe in Pangaea, and the countries started off as split up, then why did the dinosaurs die? Surely, the massive meteor that split up pangaea, killed the dino's off too, but if there was no meteor, and the continents were already split, how did they all die?

Elliott x

War. War never changes.

My point is that no one knows why the dinosaurs were made extinct. And that's the answer for the OP. Scientists can postulate as much as they like. I just did the same, but I've no less proof than them.

There is evidence for an asteroid. There is evidence for climate cooling. There is evidence for volcanic eruptions. There is no evidence for super-predation. (At least in this context.)

There is evidence for an asteroid. There is evidence for climate cooling. There is evidence for volcanic eruptions. There is no evidence for super-predation. (At least in this context.)

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There is evidene of a large meteor. There is no evidence that it is directly responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.
There is evidence of a super volcano erupting. There is no evidence that, that was directly responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.
There is evidence of the climate changing. There is no evidence that it was directly responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.
There is evidence that super predators can cause mass extinction. There is no proof that was responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.

So my point remains. Nobody knows. Theories on dino civil war have no less proof. You can pick whatever you like. As no one has a clue, you can ignore postulating professors, you are free to make up your own mind, based on whatever factors you deem most plausible. I have gone with super-predation. Feel free to choose for yourself. You will not be told what to believe here. A haven for the free thinking ... welcome to the Flat Earth Society.

Quote from: Harutsedo on May 15, 2011, 05:18:30 PM

There is evidence for an asteroid. There is evidence for climate cooling. There is evidence for volcanic eruptions. There is no evidence for super-predation. (At least in this context.)

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There is evidene of a large meteor. There is no evidence that it is directly responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.
There is evidence of a super volcano erupting. There is no evidence that, that was directly responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.
There is evidence of the climate changing. There is no evidence that it was directly responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.
There is evidence that super predators can cause mass extinction. There is no proof that was responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs.

So my point remains. Nobody knows. Theories on dino civil war have no less proof. You can pick whatever you like. As no one has a clue, you can ignore postulating professors, you are free to make up your own mind, based on whatever factors you deem most plausible. I have gone with super-predation. Feel free to choose for yourself. You will not be told what to believe here. A haven for the free thinking ... welcome to the Flat Earth Society.

Does free thinking mean rejecting science?

The meteor and all that all occurred about 65 million years ago. Remind me, when did the dinosaurs go extinct?