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« on: September 08, 2006, 01:29:51 PM »
What would be necessary to hide the fact the Earth is flat?
Holograms? Weather domes?
At what point in time would these have been installed?
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2006, 01:38:55 PM »
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What would be necessary to hide the fact the Earth is flat?


A massive misinformation campaign.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2006, 01:41:16 PM »
The fun part should be seeing what radical theories are posted.
Who will be brave enough to start?
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2006, 07:19:41 PM »
most people see it as common sense that the earth is round; common sense being that which is accepted by just about every1 with the worlds government funded education schemes all teaching of a round earth and no-one really caring as it doesnt directly affect them they simply have faith in the conspiracy as it is so overwhelming no domes/holographs are required as the world (flat or round) is huge and the scale of the operation would be virtually impossible to hide also the entire layman's "proof" is based upon his perception for which general misdirection is required to alter his perception in a RE favouring direction ie "they" are alterin how he percieves what he sees not actually change that which he can see
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2006, 02:35:29 AM »
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the scale of the operation would be virtually impossible to hide



I agree.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2006, 03:47:47 AM »
That's only because you believe what you are told about the world.  How do you know that anything you know about the world is correct?  Does Australia actually exist? - Even if you've been there, or even if you live there like I do - you could never have proof that it actually exists and appears like it does on the map - it could have a completely different shape and you have to trust the authorities and the media.  It's possible that nothing you've been taught is actually true.

If there is a cover up - it maybe so large and complete that the world in reality is completely different to the world we imagine - even the laws of physics could be made up.  I have done experiements that demonstrate that newtonian physics is fairly accurate but does nuclear power actually exist?  I can only assume that it does - I can't do my testing to see if that's really the case or not.  Theoretically it could all be falsified.

In all honesty I accept the world is round but I think that if you want to question whether this is the case or not, it really comes down to questioning what you will believe.  Science says that nothing can be proven without making assumptions - only disproven.  

There are plenty of ways of showing that the world is round, but they all rely on accepting evidence that you can't (or at least I can't) personally prove.  It's a question of if the tree falling in the forest makes a sound or not - rationality tells us it does but ultimately how do we know?
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 04:17:47 AM »
Do you exist?
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2006, 05:41:14 AM »
I would have to say that from my perspective I exist.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2006, 07:27:21 AM »
Yes. It is all to do with a persons perspective. Good answer.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2006, 08:57:41 AM »
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Yes. It is all to do with a persons perspective. Good answer.


What if I perceived that you don't exist?
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2006, 09:57:34 AM »
If I don't exist then you are talking to nobody. Even though I may not exist physically to you, I must exist mentally as you are talking to me and I am talking to you.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2006, 10:18:48 AM »
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Yes. It is all to do with a persons perspective. Good answer.


What if I perceived that you don't exist?


I don't really understand the point, or how this is a relevent question.  Why would you interact with something that you percieve doesn't exist?  Surely there is strong evidence of the existence of some kind of entity.  I don't really understand the question.  If you percieve that The Doctor (is that a reference to Dr Who?) doesn't exist then what?  I can't see a consequence if that were true apart from repeating your question back to you - then you perception is that The Dr. doesn't exist.  I don't think there can be any other consequence than that.  What do you mean "what if" - "what if" from whose perspective?
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2006, 11:28:42 AM »
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The Doctor (is that a reference to Dr Who?)


Yes, but you won't hear me mention the 'Tardis' or 'Daleks'. It is just a name.
May I ask why you call yourself 'beast'?
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2006, 12:07:44 PM »
I'm gonna refer the OP to the search function here. I've got a fairly well thought-out explanation of Conspiracy motives, and it's posted multiple times on here. Just search terms like "conspiracy", "ice wall", "mankind", "melting", "all life on earth" etc.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2006, 12:41:05 PM »
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Just search terms like "conspiracy", "ice wall", "mankind", "melting", "all life on earth" etc.


Conspiracy – 691 Matches
Ice wall – 632 Matches
All life on earth - 433 Matches
Mankind – 45 Matches
Melting - 48 Matches

None of your recommended searches have anything to do with the starting question -
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What would be necessary to hide the fact the Earth is flat?


Only 'Conspiracy' seems to come close, but I'm not looking through 691 results.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2006, 01:03:16 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2006, 02:14:38 PM »
Long posts like this are not my style, but i'll make an exeption.

I asked - What would be necessary to hide the fact the Earth is flat?

I followed the link and found theories about pollution and global warming, but nothing that I can accept as an answer to my question.

If I wanted to go out and find tangible proof that the Earth was flat, what would stop me? If I flew my plane too close to the 'Ice wall' would I be shot down? Or would it be like that scene from 'The Island' when they run through the hologramatic projection and find nothing but machinery behind it?
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2006, 07:19:51 PM »
what would it take for me 2 prove 2 u that the earth was triangular when it is really cuboid answer this nd uve answered ur original question (with maybe a litl tweaking)
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2006, 07:30:22 PM »
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Long posts like this are not my style, but i'll make an exeption.

I asked - What would be necessary to hide the fact the Earth is flat?

I followed the link and found theories about pollution and global warming, but nothing that I can accept as an answer to my question.

If I wanted to go out and find tangible proof that the Earth was flat, what would stop me? If I flew my plane too close to the 'Ice wall' would I be shot down? Or would it be like that scene from 'The Island' when they run through the hologramatic projection and find nothing but machinery behind it?


My bad - I misread as "why" not "what", since that's a recurring question here.

Most FE'ers believe the Ice Wall is guarded by some manner of military technology, although whether it's ICBMs or footsoldiers nobody really knows, since nobody has been there and returned with tales of a Flat Earth.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2006, 08:04:30 PM »
u both seem 2 miss the point that the conspiracy focusses on misleading the public into believing the world is round instead of hiding that its flat this way no1 wil ever try and find avidence that its flat thus the only protection required is2 prevent people stumbling onto it ie the foot soldiers and military technology
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2006, 08:31:13 PM »
In order to hide the fact the the world is flat, agencies have probably been protecting the outer edge of the earth for at least 100 years. The United States and Hitler both sent armies there in World War II, few of which were ever heard from again. The man power needed would be huge, but don't underestimate what kind of secrets people can keep secret with rewards like money and power. Plus, reward people again when they turn in anyone who they suspect is a rat. And kill the rats. The result is an army of very trust worthy people.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2006, 02:38:36 AM »
Good answers people. Nothing too radical so far.
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2006, 11:26:08 AM »
Ok I've given this a little more thought and here is what I've come up with.

First to come up with reasons why the conspiracy would be neccessary we first need to assume that the Earth is indeed flat - if it were not then there would be no conspiracy.


Theories about the shape of the world are very old but the idea that the world is really round became the common believed theory because of Christopher Colombus - that is to say that's where the current belief that the world is round comes from.  So we would have to assume that the conspiracy is at least as old as that.

Now the important question is - was CC in on the conspiracy?  Was he a plant by the conspiracy to start making people believe that the world was round - or did he really think that and the conspirators used that in their favour?

The fact that CC was wrong about his proof of the theory (he thought he was sailing around the world but he didn't) seems to suggest that he really thought the world was round because it seems likely that if he was meant to be supporting the round earth theory he would have "prooved" the earth was round.  Claiming something and then setting up an experiement to prove it and then having the experiement fail doesn't seem to be the most convincing method of going about it.  However it would be a mistake to take this as proof that CC was not in on the conspiracy.  It could be that it was a more long term plan by the conspirators and they want us to think that CC was not in on the conspiracy.

This would mean that there is presumably some reason why the didn't want us to know that CC was in on the conspiracy and also that it could well be that the conspiracy is much older than round earth theory.  It could be that conspirators have been controlling human development for thousands of years and round earth theory some how furthers their cause.  It's easy to come up with theories as to what they're doing - it could be that we're an experiement and they're testing brain wash techniques.  This is obviously mere conjecture.  

However my point is that the conspiracy is at least hundreds of years old, if not thousands of years old.  The reason it continues today could be that it's become so ingrained into the actions of the conspirators that they just do it - they may have forgotten the reason why - if they are humans than they've been continueing this for generations - it would be clear that they really know no other existence apart from the one of misleading people into thinking the world is round and whatever other lies they brainwash people with.

Of course I'm not saying this is true - this is just some speculation based on starting by making the assumption that the world is indeed flat - that's a very big assumption to make.  If it is flat then it's pretty obvious that the conspirators must control every single part of our lives...
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2006, 02:13:22 PM »
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Yes. It is all to do with a persons perspective. Good answer.


What if I perceived that you don't exist?


I don't really understand the point, or how this is a relevent question.  Why would you interact with something that you percieve doesn't exist?  Surely there is strong evidence of the existence of some kind of entity.  I don't really understand the question.  If you percieve that The Doctor (is that a reference to Dr Who?) doesn't exist then what?  I can't see a consequence if that were true apart from repeating your question back to you - then you perception is that The Dr. doesn't exist.  I don't think there can be any other consequence than that.  What do you mean "what if" - "what if" from whose perspective?


Which then makes his point about it all being about perception moot.  If my perception has no effect on his being there, then obviously my perception does not control or affect his existance.

You may believe that perception is reality if you wish, but as human beings we often reject that to communicate and exist in an intelligible manner.  If we didn't, the world would be far more chaotic than it could be right now.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2006, 05:05:52 PM »
reality is the solid fact however are perception and the conclusions we draw from the "fact" are basically wrong thus we see everything thru a haze of misconception and misinterpretation due 2 our flawed human nature
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2006, 12:14:32 AM »
One of lifes great questions - Is the glass half empty, or half full?

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