An experiment to prove the Moon isn't dangerous

Quote from: Tausami on July 08, 2011, 04:24:39 PM

Okay, the experiment is back online. I'll let you know if anything important happens.

As I already said, the experiment is invalid. You need to start again, posting all your meals, activities and times of moon exposure.

Quote from: Verrine on July 09, 2011, 02:11:45 AM

Quote from: Tausami on July 08, 2011, 04:24:39 PM

Okay, the experiment is back online. I'll let you know if anything important happens.

As I already said, the experiment is invalid. You need to start again, posting all your meals, activities and times of moon exposure.

Quote from: Verrine on July 10, 2011, 07:44:57 AM

Quote from: Verrine on July 09, 2011, 02:11:45 AM

Quote from: Tausami on July 08, 2011, 04:24:39 PM

Okay, the experiment is back online. I'll let you know if anything important happens.

As I already said, the experiment is invalid. You need to start again, posting all your meals, activities and times of moon exposure.

That will happen during the main experiment. This one only exists because a while back people were freaking out about posting pics of the moon on the forum. The experiment shows that prolonged exposure over the course of several months does not have any immediate effects, which more importantly means that minor exposure will have little to no effect.

Now, I'd like some help in making the methodology for the second part. I feel that my parents would object to me sleeping outside every day. Perhaps I could do it once a week instead of every day?

Roman, E.M., Soriano, G., Fuentes, M., Luz-Galvez, & M.,Fernandez, C. (2004). The influence of the full moon on the number of admissions related to gastrointestinal bleeding. International Journal of Nursing Practice. 10(6), 296.

Its a better data set than that which already exists showing that moonlight is harmful, i.e zero.

Quote from: Verrine on July 10, 2011, 07:44:57 AM

Quote from: Verrine on July 09, 2011, 02:11:45 AM

Quote from: Tausami on July 08, 2011, 04:24:39 PM

Okay, the experiment is back online. I'll let you know if anything important happens.

As I already said, the experiment is invalid. You need to start again, posting all your meals, activities and times of moon exposure.

That will happen during the main experiment. This one only exists because a while back people were freaking out about posting pics of the moon on the forum. The experiment shows that prolonged exposure over the course of several months does not have any immediate effects, which more importantly means that minor exposure will have little to no effect.

Now, I'd like some help in making the methodology for the second part. I feel that my parents would object to me sleeping outside every day. Perhaps I could do it once a week instead of every day?

Just because I feel I am not in the moonlight does not mean the moonlight is not the cause or the cause in many of those people in the study.  This should be obvious to any rational reader.

Unless you live in a 3rd world country, you're very unlikely to have parasites. America is actually quite clean.

Quote from: sillyrob on July 10, 2011, 07:30:44 PM

Unless you live in a 3rd world country, you're very unlikely to have parasites. America is actually quite clean.

Not necessarily. I had a Enterobius vermicularis infection for a while.

Quote from: John Davis on July 10, 2011, 07:28:31 PM

Just because I feel I am not in the moonlight does not mean the moonlight is not the cause or the cause in many of those people in the study.  This should be obvious to any rational reader.

Wrong. Because you are deliberately avoiding moonlight itself yet still experiencing symptoms it makes it far, far less likely that it is the light causing the problems. It could be any number of indirect causes. This should be obvious to any rational reader. It is also possible that in your case it is a psychosomatic effect because you expect to feel unwell when the moon is full. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that what makes you unwell is what is making the other people in the study you cited unwell. You are not a comparable data point because, unlike everyone else in the study, you have an active fear of the moon and you expect to see symptoms on particular dates.
I would be far more concerned for the dangers of regular absinthe consumption than moonlight. Are you drinking absinthe to protect yourself whenever theres about to be a full moon? That would explain quite a lot about your stomach upsets...

Quote from: Skeleton on July 11, 2011, 11:48:13 AM

Quote from: John Davis on July 10, 2011, 07:28:31 PM

Just because I feel I am not in the moonlight does not mean the moonlight is not the cause or the cause in many of those people in the study.  This should be obvious to any rational reader.

Wrong. Because you are deliberately avoiding moonlight itself yet still experiencing symptoms it makes it far, far less likely that it is the light causing the problems. It could be any number of indirect causes. This should be obvious to any rational reader. It is also possible that in your case it is a psychosomatic effect because you expect to feel unwell when the moon is full. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that what makes you unwell is what is making the other people in the study you cited unwell. You are not a comparable data point because, unlike everyone else in the study, you have an active fear of the moon and you expect to see symptoms on particular dates.
I would be far more concerned for the dangers of regular absinthe consumption than moonlight. Are you drinking absinthe to protect yourself whenever theres about to be a full moon? That would explain quite a lot about your stomach upsets...

Please explicitly state what was wrong about what I said.  I also never said what is making me unwell is whats making the people in the study not well.  I also stated I drink absinthe when parasites cycles are supposedly weak and followed up with the point that parasites are supposedly stronger during the full moon.

You seem to have trouble reading.

Quote from: John Davis on July 09, 2011, 09:35:35 PM

I went years with stomach ailments before I finally realized they occured on a cycle and then on a cycle that matches the moons cycle.

There are some that propose that people have natural 23, 28 and 33 day cycles.  Perhaps your stomach ailments are related to these biorhythmic cycles and not lunar cycles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorhythm

Quote from: John Davis on July 11, 2011, 09:11:26 PM

Quote from: Skeleton on July 11, 2011, 11:48:13 AM

Quote from: John Davis on July 10, 2011, 07:28:31 PM

Just because I feel I am not in the moonlight does not mean the moonlight is not the cause or the cause in many of those people in the study.  This should be obvious to any rational reader.

Wrong. Because you are deliberately avoiding moonlight itself yet still experiencing symptoms it makes it far, far less likely that it is the light causing the problems. It could be any number of indirect causes. This should be obvious to any rational reader. It is also possible that in your case it is a psychosomatic effect because you expect to feel unwell when the moon is full. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that what makes you unwell is what is making the other people in the study you cited unwell. You are not a comparable data point because, unlike everyone else in the study, you have an active fear of the moon and you expect to see symptoms on particular dates.
I would be far more concerned for the dangers of regular absinthe consumption than moonlight. Are you drinking absinthe to protect yourself whenever theres about to be a full moon? That would explain quite a lot about your stomach upsets...

Please explicitly state what was wrong about what I said.  I also never said what is making me unwell is whats making the people in the study not well.  I also stated I drink absinthe when parasites cycles are supposedly weak and followed up with the point that parasites are supposedly stronger during the full moon.

You seem to have trouble reading.

What's wrong about what you said?
1. Flattists claim the harmfulness of moonlight is well documented
2. I ask to see what these well documented cases are
3. A personal account unrelated to moonlight exposure and a study unrelated to exposure to moonlight are posted
Duh.
4. I asked IF Davis was drinking the absinthe on the full moon, it was just a question not a criticism
5. I suggested IF that was the case then it might account for his symptoms.

In fact even if Davis is drinking his rotgut on days other than the full moon, his consumption still follows a cycle with the moon. Many toxic substances may take days to be metabolised by the body. Who is to say the effects he feels on the full moon are not due to the effects of absinthe toxins taken in several days earlier at another specific moon phase? This hypothesis cannot be dismissed until Davis experiments by drinking absinthe on a different day of the lunar cycle, or perhaps stops drinking it altogether. It can lead to hearing loss on one side you know.

Quote from: markjo on July 09, 2011, 09:46:54 PM

Quote from: John Davis on July 09, 2011, 09:35:35 PM

I went years with stomach ailments before I finally realized they occured on a cycle and then on a cycle that matches the moons cycle.

There are some that propose that people have natural 23, 28 and 33 day cycles.  Perhaps your stomach ailments are related to these biorhythmic cycles and not lunar cycles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorhythm

It would be odd for them to line up so exactly over the course of that many years.  A lunar cycle is 29.50 days(ish).  Seems a rather exact number that they would not offset.  However, now that I'm keeping my eyes on it, I'll keep it in mind.  Still, I see no reason to go out in the moonlight.  Even the moonlight I get now with my mild avoidance of it could be the cause.

I'm sorry, but the light rays radiated by your computer screen can't be considered as moon rays. These are just pixels, which are highlighted with approximately the same pattern as moon was highlighted in a certain night the picture was taken.

The moons magical aura can't just be packed into a common file and sent over the internet.

Are you even sure it's a picture of a moon? I thought moon was flat, a flashlight, if you must say. Looks nothing like it. Full of craters and stuff. You need to take the picture of FE moon to succeed.

we all know it's silly.

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we all know it's silly.

Really? Because you acted like you didn't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

First off, glad to see that nothing I've said was wrong.  It must be fun to just go around announcing it for no reason.  I can see it now, I'll run into rooms and just yell "Wrong!" finger raised to the sky proclaiming everyone fools without even knowing what they are saying.  It sounds like a splendid time.


I don't drink it *that* regularly.  Every few months at the most to combat parasites during their weak periods.  I would doubt absinthe would give me rotgut after a day, let alone a month or a quarter to half a year.  Whats next, is it a shot of whiskey I drank five years ago?  Perhaps its that gin drink I had last new years thats been causing my stomach all sorts of problems so regularly.   I imagine it could be the Guiness I had two weeks ago!  Oh my!

Also hearing loss?  Where are you from, the dark ages?   I assume it will make me blind, give me hallucinations and mania until I die as well huh?   

Quote from: John Davis on July 12, 2011, 05:49:02 AM

First off, glad to see that nothing I've said was wrong.  It must be fun to just go around announcing it for no reason.  I can see it now, I'll run into rooms and just yell "Wrong!" finger raised to the sky proclaiming everyone fools without even knowing what they are saying.  It sounds like a splendid time.


I don't drink it *that* regularly.  Every few months at the most to combat parasites during their weak periods.  I would doubt absinthe would give me rotgut after a day, let alone a month or a quarter to half a year.  Whats next, is it a shot of whiskey I drank five years ago?  Perhaps its that gin drink I had last new years thats been causing my stomach all sorts of problems so regularly.   I imagine it could be the Guiness I had two weeks ago!  Oh my!

Also hearing loss?  Where are you from, the dark ages?   I assume it will make me blind, give me hallucinations and mania until I die as well huh?   

I think this has to be in bold so you can read it better. I asked for examples of well documented evidence showing the harmfulness of moonlight. You posted an example of a study with no evidence of it and gave an uncorroborated (and possibly biased personal account)
If that is meant to be an example of well documented evidence that moonlight is harmful then you are wrong. Sorry, but thats how it is.

You also need to brush up on your art history. Can you name a mentally ill artist who aggravated his condition with a large intake of absinthe and ended up missing an ear? I doubt it.

I suspect it is because the OP has preconceived ideas about what he might find, and that has altered his approach to the experiment. One cannot conduct scientific experiments when one is biased to one particular result. One needs to tackle this with no favouritism. Like doctors in the Department of Urology, Royal Liverpool University Hospital
And their survey says ...

Quote from: http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?doi=106544

Conclusion: Emergency urological admissions were higher on full moon days. The new moon had a calming effect.

You guys keep asking for sources, but selective amnesia is prevalent. Despite all the sources, you claim you have seen none.

Just one such example ...

Quote from: Thork on May 25, 2011, 09:27:03 AM

I suspect it is because the OP has preconceived ideas about what he might find, and that has altered his approach to the experiment. One cannot conduct scientific experiments when one is biased to one particular result. One needs to tackle this with no favouritism. Like doctors in the Department of Urology, Royal Liverpool University Hospital
And their survey says ...

Quote from: http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?doi=106544

Conclusion: Emergency urological admissions were higher on full moon days. The new moon had a calming effect.

Have a search on the internet. But try this

Psychiatrist Arnold Lieber of the University of Miami reported a correlation of homicides in Dade County to moon phase, but later analysis of the data — including that by astronomer George Abell — did not support Lieber's conclusions. Kelly, Rotton, and Culver point out that Lieber and Carolyn Sherin used inappropriate and misleading statistical procedures. When more appropriate tests were done, no correlation between homicides and the phase of the moon was found.

A fifteen month study in Jacksonville, Florida revealed no lunar effect on crime and hospital room admittance. In particular:
There was no increase in crime on full moons, according to a statistical analysis by the Jacksonville Police Department. Five of the fifteen full moons had a higher than average rate of crime while ten full moons had a lower than average rate. The higher-than-average days were during warmer months.
Statistical analysis of visits to Shands Hospital emergency room showed no full moon effect. Emergency room admissions may have more to do with the day of the week.

Concentrated moonlight, captured with a moonlight collector in Arizona, is hundreds of times more intense than regular moonlight. Discover how this bright moonlight can transform your mind, body and spirit and offer benefits like stress relief, mood enhancement, pain management, improved sleep and inner peace.

A meta-study of 31 placebo-controlled trials of the gastric acid secretion inhibitor drug cimetidine in the treatment of gastric or duodenal ulcers found that placebo treatments, in many cases, were as effective as active drugs: of the 1692 patients treated in the 31 trials, 76% of the 916 treated with the drug were "healed", and 48% of the 776 treated with placebo were "healed".

You guys keep asking for sources, but selective amnesia is prevalent. Despite all the sources, you claim you have seen none.

Just one such example ...

Quote from: Thork on May 25, 2011, 09:27:03 AM

I suspect it is because the OP has preconceived ideas about what he might find, and that has altered his approach to the experiment. One cannot conduct scientific experiments when one is biased to one particular result. One needs to tackle this with no favouritism. Like doctors in the Department of Urology, Royal Liverpool University Hospital
And their survey says ...

Quote from: http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?doi=106544

Conclusion: Emergency urological admissions were higher on full moon days. The new moon had a calming effect.

Have a search on the internet. But try this

At two times it was quite popular to make studies about the moonlights dangers.  There more noticable and larger resurgence of this was earlier in the century when it was clearly noted that insane asylums had a much more difficult time during the full moon.  This sparked interest and anyone who would care to visit a library could find all the studies that came from this.  There were laws concerning sleeping on decks in the full moon or cutting down wood during the red moon.

Recently it has again become slightly popular to review the effect of the moon itself (and perhaps moonlight depending on its nature) to effect various life forms.  From madmen, to the average joe, to parasites.  A simple search in an appropriate academic database should be helpful.

Since the FES members are the ones claiming that the effect is well documented, I call upon them to disprove my hypothesis that the reason I cant find well-documented studies is that they dont exist. I dont think there are any studies published demonstrating the harmful effects of moonlight on people.