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spongebue

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« on: July 13, 2005, 11:00:53 PM »
Have you ever noticed that you can see the sky as you look outward, you know, you can see the horizon?  How do you see the horizon, and not land as far as possible?  That's right, because the earth is curved.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon for details.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 11:18:20 PM »
along with that what about ships

if you watch a ship set off to sea if you keep your eye on it you will see that it looks like it is sinking first you lose sight of the main part and so on and so forth
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Anonymous

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 12:52:38 AM »
Indeed, if your "flat earth" shananogins were as correct as you all appear to believe, you wouldn't see clouds touching the horizon, they would just keep going in the sky. Yeesh, you guys are nuts...
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 09:25:28 AM »
saying that the world is flat does not make it featureless.  Generally on land view is obstructed by large objects.  Also overall elevation from sea level accounts for some of it.  And even though air may be clear from close up, it does become opaque at a distance.  
from what you say visibility from an aircraft should be infinite--this isn't true.

On the sea there are many waves, making it impossible to determine exactly what you're seeing.

As for the 'cloud theory', perspective still applies--items farther away always get closer together.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 09:37:26 AM »
So how come I can't see mountains from tall buildings in New York?
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reaperman93010

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005, 09:38:28 AM »
as explained, air may be thin but it's not completely transparent.  Over distance it hazes until opacity.  It's the same reason you can't see those mountains from an aircraft.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 09:43:56 AM »
You can't see the,. because the earth's curve hi-...I think it would be a fruitless venture saying more here...
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2005, 09:53:43 AM »
I suggested the aircraft as a 'round earther' should be able to see much farther than he currently can from an airplane if the initial idea proposed is true.

the fact is that air isn't clear.  It's just like water, you can see through it for a distance but then visibility drops off.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2005, 02:29:40 PM »
So what?  Yes, air distorts vision over long distances, but that doesn't prove a damn thing for you.  Show WHY we see what we DO see.  We see ships and everything else fall down the horizon, bottom up.  Saying "air distorts your view" does not explain that.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2005, 02:43:00 PM »
no, but waves and perspective explained it quite well
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 03:09:59 PM »
So you say, but you have still yet to explain it.  We're all waiting.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 03:14:55 PM »
waves=waves in front of boats,
perspective=everything appears closer together as it gets farther away.

back in art class when you were drawing up a city block at street level--all lines converge on the horizon, not because of curve, but because it's farther away.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2005, 03:19:47 PM »
First of all, there aren't always waves way out in the ocean.  Yet ships always sink completely away from view.  Ships don't bop in and out of view, either.  They always slowly fall out of view, and then are gone until they head back.  That idea is very stupid.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2005, 03:44:17 PM »
there are always waves, and out at sea they're generally very wide.  Just because you can see the little ones the wind creates on top does not mean there's not a much larger wave beneath.  It wouldn't take much obstruction to hide the ship from the bottom up as you've viewing it at such a low angle.  Especially as it shrinks away.  

I live near the sea--the haze generally obstructs at a much shorter distance than that anyway.  Even on relatively clear days.
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tomohiko

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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2005, 08:20:29 AM »
If the ship shrinks when viewed from distance, the wave must, too. Have you ever sailed out on the sea? Did you see a wave large enough to hide the ship? (The wave actually gets smaller away from the coast...)
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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 01:01:48 PM »
yall do know that there are pictures of earth?and it is round. yep round like a ball. I know its hard to believe but it realy is round its as round as this....o.how else do you explain flying west untill you end up where you started?
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2005, 01:18:11 PM »
They seem to think that people are so stupid that they actually circle around, pass their original departure point, circle around again, and end up where they started - all the while thinking they were really going straight.  They think everyone is as stupid as they are, apparently.  The reasons I've heard given are "jet streams", "instrumentation errors", and of course "it's a conspiracy".
I mean how dumb do they think we are?
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 01:15:14 AM »
Here's the part i love about flat-earth logic. They use two theories that are mutually exclusive:

FACT: You cannot see the edge of the earth or even another continent, mountain on another continent, ship sailing out to sea, or whatever.

FACT: Clouds appear to 'touch' the horizon.

Ok here we go.

Apparently, we can't see things getting farther away because air eventually becomes opaque the farther out it gets.

Apparently, the clouds appear to touch the horizon because of perspective; everything gets pulled closer together, so while they never actually 'touch', they appear to do so.

So the air itself blocks us from seeing those distant things. Ok, good point. We've all been in a fog, so that's not hard to imagine. And we're all familiar with perception, so that's not hard to imagine either. But answer me this: If the air is so opaque that we can't see a ship or mountain or anything, how is it that we can see the clouds that MUST be farther than that ship sailing off into the horizon (since they are, in fact, behind the mast) when said ship disappears from view?
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Zeno

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2005, 03:09:26 AM »
Lets just say that 'air' becomes opaque at long distances, how do we see stars at night? How do we see the moon? Or is it the fact that they shine so brightly they manage to penetrate the air?

As to clouds touching the horizon, lets say that at a given point where you are stood, the ground upon which you are standing and the sky above you are parallel. Now two parallel lines will eventually meet, but at infinity, i.e. somewhere we can't be to see it. If you are stood looking down a long corridor the walls converge and so does the floor and ceiling, but they never get close to touching, and not to the same degree as clouds on the horizon.

Have any of you been in a plane? At an altitude where you can actually see the curvature of the earth.

And one last question, stood on the top of a building, looking into the distance, you can't see mountains etc with your eyes. So what if you look in that same direction (your gaze parallel to the ground) with a powerful telescope. You'll be looking into space, not distant mountains, unless the mountains are very close, just too far to see with the naked eye. I can draw a pictue if anyone has difficulty visualising this.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2005, 10:31:32 AM »
Quote from: "hxcivic97"
If the air is so opaque that we can't see a ship or mountain or anything, how is it that we can see the clouds that MUST be farther than that ship sailing off into the horizon (since they are, in fact, behind the mast) when said ship disappears from view?


Still waiting on the explaination of this phenomenon. Or have you cornered yourselves with your own logic, and don't want to admit it?
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giggs88

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2005, 09:42:05 PM »
Quote from: "reaperman93010"
saying that the world is flat does not make it featureless.  Generally on land view is obstructed by large objects.  Also overall elevation from sea level accounts for some of it.  And even though air may be clear from close up, it does become opaque at a distance.  
from what you say visibility from an aircraft should be infinite--this isn't true.

On the sea there are many waves, making it impossible to determine exactly what you're seeing.

As for the 'cloud theory', perspective still applies--items farther away always get closer together.


HEY GAYLORD, DID I GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO SPEAK?
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hxcivic97

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2005, 08:13:09 PM »
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HEY GAYLORD, DID I GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO SPEAK?


I'm... stunned. Just when I thought the bar for 'idiotic' could drop no lower, this guy opens his mouth. And no, that 'idiotic' was not a jab at you flat-earthers. =)

Since this guy has been posting nothing but garbage all over the boards (and will probably never be back), is there a Mod that can IP ban him? I'm sure no one will miss his delightful insights.
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Nevyn

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2005, 08:30:46 PM »
I'm afraid that there are no mods or admins on this forum.  Kind of sad eh?
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hxcivic97

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2005, 08:33:18 PM »
Yeah =/
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2005, 08:34:35 PM »
Daniel is, but I think only Daniel is.
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hxcivic97

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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2005, 08:54:44 PM »
I hope he comes back soon, then. Daniel, if you do come back, it might be worth it to designate a couple mods to keep the forums straight while you're not around.
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Nevyn

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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2005, 03:04:18 PM »
I think he gave, or died, or something... I mean, he hasn't been on for months.
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Re: ok, how about horizons?
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2011, 02:11:42 AM »
Quote from: The head od the CIA on July 18, 2005, 01:01:48 PM
yall do know that there are pictures of earth?and it is round. yep round like a ball. I know its hard to believe but it realy is round its as round as this....o.how else do you explain flying west untill you end up where you started?

haha their answer is that because east and west are at right angles to north (and the fact the north pole is at the centre of the map) you would be going around in a circle.

they also believe every picture proving the earth is round has been photo shopped or edited to keep in lieu with NASA's great cover up to make billions of dollars.

I still don't quite get how the sun would disappear beyond the horizon in a flat earth, since it then has to rise from the horizon in somewhere else (which works on a round earth, but not a flat earth).
I mean their whole Zetitic approach is pretty flawed in reality (all it is, is stating a theory then publishing results. regardless of whether said idea actually works [becoz tests mean that the results can be manipulated for what ever use needed])
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Re: ok, how about horizons?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2011, 03:46:48 PM »
Quote from: reaperman93010 on July 14, 2005, 09:38:28 AM
as explained, air may be thin but it's not completely transparent.  Over distance it hazes until opacity.  It's the same reason you can't see those mountains from an aircraft.

If this is true, the ground and clouds would fade with distance, and not form a discernible horizon.

Also I have demonstrated the FAQs solar model to be inconsistent with observation:
Quote from: Nolhekh on June 09, 2010, 08:43:39 PM
I have just completed a diagram of the position of the Sun in the sky as viewed from Ottawa, Canada (45 degrees north), and Cromwell, New Zealand (45 degrees south) as generated by my trigonometric calculations on the Flat Earth dimensions given in FAQ.



So given this demonstration, how do sunsets and sunrises work for flat earth?
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