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« on: February 21, 2011, 09:40:22 AM »
how is the affect of zero gravity created if everything is univerly accelerating including our outer atmosphere. In your FAQ that sustained space flight is not a posiblity but you admit that temporary spaceflight is. During demonstrated temporary spaceflight we have observed the reality of zero gravity. Please explain. If you could actually provide mathematical proofs behind your claims, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ;D
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fluffycornsnake

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 10:32:58 AM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 10:36:29 AM by fluffycornsnake »
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 01:17:06 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 10:32:58 AM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, that proposition was thoroughly debunked by me and a few others. Of course fluffycornsnake will say otherwise. I see no need to revive that argument.

Read the thread he quoted from and judge for yourself, OP.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 01:18:39 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 10:32:58 AM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.
Being pushed up by a column of air is not the same experience as free fall (zero gravity).
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 01:34:32 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, this insight was thoroughly substantiated and found to be overwhelmingly convincing. Of course, Silver and a few others will say otherwise. But the strength of the statement, and its supporting arguments, speak for themselves.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 02:46:55 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, this insight was thoroughly substantiated and found to be overwhelmingly convincing.

It was?  By whom?  It that were true, then NASA could save some big bucks by retiring the Vomit Comet.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 02:50:01 PM »
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, this insight was thoroughly substantiated and found to be overwhelmingly convincing.

It was?  By whom?  It that were true, then NASA could save some big bucks by retiring the Vomit Comet.

I thoroughly substantiated the claim and I found it to be overwhelmingly convincing.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 02:52:53 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, this insight was thoroughly substantiated and found to be overwhelmingly convincing.

It was?  By whom?  It that were true, then NASA could save some big bucks by retiring the Vomit Comet.

I thoroughly substantiated the claim and I found it to be overwhelmingly convincing.

It's too bad you didn't convince anyone else.
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fluffycornsnake

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 03:00:20 PM »
Alas, even the truth could not halt the tide of Conspiracy-induced propaganda in the minds of RE'ers. :(
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 03:26:39 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, this insight was thoroughly substantiated and found to be overwhelmingly convincing.

It was?  By whom?  It that were true, then NASA could save some big bucks by retiring the Vomit Comet.

I thoroughly substantiated the claim and I found it to be overwhelmingly convincing.

Err... it doesn't take much to convince yourself of something you're already convinced of.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 03:34:34 PM »
Quote from: Particle Person on February 21, 2011, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

As I shouldn't have to say, this insight was thoroughly substantiated and found to be overwhelmingly convincing.

It was?  By whom?  It that were true, then NASA could save some big bucks by retiring the Vomit Comet.

I thoroughly substantiated the claim and I found it to be overwhelmingly convincing.

Err... it doesn't take much to convince yourself of something you're already convinced of.

What makes you think I was already convinced of this? Nothing else but logic and pure reason led me to accept the truth of the claim.
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 03:42:14 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
What makes you think I was already convinced of this? Nothing else but logic and pure reason led me to accept the truth of the claim.

Have you actually tried 'indoor skydiving' and compared the experience with free fall?
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 03:44:21 PM »
Also from that thread:

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 27, 2011, 04:41:30 AM
Certain air bags will be positioned against select veins in order to stem the flow of blood to the head. Of course, there may be further (very mild) nauseating symptoms, but the Virgin crew will have no trouble explaining these away as psychological tricks of the mind. Having never experience 'zero-gravity' before, the passengers will have no reason to doubt such explanations.

It doesn't get much more logical and purely reasonable than that!
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 03:53:40 PM »
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
What makes you think I was already convinced of this? Nothing else but logic and pure reason led me to accept the truth of the claim.

Have you actually tried 'indoor skydiving' and compared the experience with free fall?

Have you?

Quote from: Around And About on February 21, 2011, 03:44:21 PM
Also from that thread:

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 27, 2011, 04:41:30 AM
Certain air bags will be positioned against select veins in order to stem the flow of blood to the head. Of course, there may be further (very mild) nauseating symptoms, but the Virgin crew will have no trouble explaining these away as psychological tricks of the mind. Having never experience 'zero-gravity' before, the passengers will have no reason to doubt such explanations.

It doesn't get much more logical and purely reasonable than that!

Thank you, Around. I'm glad someone appreciates the effort which I put in to discovering these facts.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 03:59:27 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
What makes you think I was already convinced of this? Nothing else but logic and pure reason led me to accept the truth of the claim.

Have you actually tried 'indoor skydiving' and compared the experience with free fall?

Have you?

Irrelevant.  I'm not the one claiming that the experiences are the same.
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2011, 04:16:16 PM »
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
What makes you think I was already convinced of this? Nothing else but logic and pure reason led me to accept the truth of the claim.

Have you actually tried 'indoor skydiving' and compared the experience with free fall?

Have you?

Irrelevant.  I'm not the one claiming that the experiences are the same.

Neither have I.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2011, 04:46:27 PM »
because there's no way to experience zero g, what with our airplanes and junk
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2011, 06:57:19 PM »
I just thoroughly convinced myself that the sky is orange. That does not make it true.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 07:13:26 PM »
Quote from: General Disarray on February 21, 2011, 06:57:19 PM
I just thoroughly convinced myself that the sky is orange. That does not make it true.

Actually during sandstorms this thing called wind picks up sand and spins it around in the air overhead. The sunlight hitting this wave of sand make the sky appear orange in all directions. However finding a way to trick people into thinking they are weightless when they are not is not proving anything. It just proves that you can trick people and the human body isn't a perfect instrument for measuring the world around you. ^^
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2011, 07:37:19 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
Irrelevant.  I'm not the one claiming that the experiences are the same.

Neither have I.

Actually, you have.
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2011, 07:56:06 PM »
zero g would no be like indoor skydiving at all, in zero g you'd feel no or little external forces
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2011, 09:18:24 PM »
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
Irrelevant.  I'm not the one claiming that the experiences are the same.

Neither have I.

Actually, you have.
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The key word is 'simulate'. I never stated these experiences are the same. I argued that Virgin could manufacture an experience sufficiently similar to zero gravity that the passengers would not notice any difference.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on February 21, 2011, 07:56:06 PM
zero g would no be like indoor skydiving at all, in zero g you'd feel no or little external forces

A quick skim through the thread should be enough to convince you otherwise.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2011, 09:46:08 PM »
I haven't experienced either one. However I would expect that in a tunnel the air speed holds me up, therefore pressure being asserted on the part of my body facing the fan. Where in zero gravity you would just be floating, and your internal organs would feel weightless as well. I wouldn't expect it to be painful, but I would expect that the two experiences would feel different.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2011, 01:51:54 AM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 21, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
Irrelevant.  I'm not the one claiming that the experiences are the same.

Neither have I.

Actually, you have.
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The key word is 'simulate'. I never stated these experiences are the same. I argued that Virgin could manufacture an experience sufficiently similar to zero gravity that the passengers would not notice any difference.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on February 21, 2011, 07:56:06 PM
zero g would no be like indoor skydiving at all, in zero g you'd feel no or little external forces

A quick skim through the thread should be enough to convince you otherwise.

If I was an idiot.

Skydiving itself is not sufficient to experience zero g, as their is air friction, and you reach terminal velocity. Parabolic flight paths will however let you get near zero g. So why would fake skydiving give you this sensation?
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2011, 06:20:05 AM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on February 21, 2011, 09:18:24 PM
The key word is 'simulate'. I never stated these experiences are the same. I argued that Virgin could manufacture an experience sufficiently similar to zero gravity that the passengers would not notice any difference.

And I'm saying that sky diving and indoor sky diving are not the same experience.  When you are sky diving, you are in actual free fall.  When you are indoor sky diving, you are being pushed up by a column of air.  Sounds like two obviously different sensations to me.
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