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WelshNRound

Formation Of The Earth
« on: February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM »
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM »
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.
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WelshNRound

Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 11:07:27 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.

as in a religious idea of the earth being there? if so dose that then rule out the normal formation of the universe ideas?
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 11:10:22 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.

Except what you believe does not matter; only what you can prove matters.
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Quote from: James on March 07, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 11:17:37 AM »
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.

as in a religious idea of the earth being there? if so dose that then rule out the normal formation of the universe ideas?

RET formation of the universe theories don't really apply to FE.

In RET astronomers have looked into the heavens, observing that they are slowly expanding away from each other, have concluded that at one point in the distant past the universe must have been consolidated at a single point - the Big Bang. It is assumed that the earth also came from that point.

But in FET the heavens do not tell us anything about the earth. In FET the heavens are a layer of small bodies suspended about 3000 miles above the surface of the earth. The earth did not come from the heavens; the heavens rest on top of it. The sun is not very large, but 32 miles in diameter. The stars are not huge, but small motes of chemical activity in the night sky. If, at some point in the distant past, the heavens were consolidated to a point, it does not follow that the earth also came from that point. The earth is not a celestial body; it is so much bigger than them.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 11:23:56 AM »
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.

Except what you believe does not matter; only what you can prove matters.

You want me to prove that the earth always was?  ???
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 12:10:13 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.

Except what you believe does not matter; only what you can prove matters.

You want me to prove that the earth always was?  ???

You say that is what you believe, so prove it.
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Quote from: James on March 07, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 12:36:09 PM »
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WelshNRound on February 03, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
ok so if the earth if flat... where did it come from?

Why does it have to come from anywhere? I believe that the earth always was.

Except what you believe does not matter; only what you can prove matters.

You want me to prove that the earth always was?  ???

You say that is what you believe, so prove it.

No one has seen a photon.  Do you believe that photons exist? Prove it.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 05:05:14 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 12:43:11 PM »
The heavens, however, did come from the Earth, at least as far as the latest science on the subject suggests.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 12:44:58 PM »
Quote from: James on February 03, 2011, 12:43:11 PM
The heavens, however, did come from the Earth, at least as far as the latest science on the subject suggests.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 12:59:13 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
No one has seen a photon; not in a  Do you believe that photons exist? Prove it.
No one has seen your brain. Therefore, you have no brain. How can your hypotheses be taken seriously from somebody without a brain?
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 01:06:34 PM »
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: James on February 03, 2011, 12:43:11 PM
The heavens, however, did come from the Earth, at least as far as the latest science on the subject suggests.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Only what the latest science on the subject suggests.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 01:10:37 PM »
Quote from: James on February 03, 2011, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: James on February 03, 2011, 12:43:11 PM
The heavens, however, did come from the Earth, at least as far as the latest science on the subject suggests.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Only what the latest science on the subject suggests.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?
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Quote from: James on March 07, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
How dare you have the audacity to demand my deposition. I've never even heard of you.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 01:22:35 PM »
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 01:10:37 PM
Quote from: James on February 03, 2011, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Horatio on February 03, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: James on February 03, 2011, 12:43:11 PM
The heavens, however, did come from the Earth, at least as far as the latest science on the subject suggests.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Only what the latest science on the subject suggests.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Irrelevant.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 03:47:20 PM »
Quote from: IOA on February 03, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
No one has seen a photon; not in a  Do you believe that photons exist? Prove it.
No one has seen your brain. Therefore, you have no brain. How can your hypotheses be taken seriously from somebody without a brain?
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2011, 03:00:45 PM »
Quote from: IOA on February 03, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: IOA on February 03, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 03, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
No one has seen a photon; not in a  Do you believe that photons exist? Prove it.
No one has seen your brain. Therefore, you have no brain. How can your hypotheses be taken seriously from somebody without a brain?
If you have seen your brain. Is it round or flat?
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2011, 03:59:20 PM »
I haven't seen my own brain, but I don't go by the same standards as Tom does for proving things. I believe my brain looks something like this:

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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2011, 06:33:01 PM »
You look brain dead.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2011, 04:11:35 AM »
That's one disgusting brain.

@James, mind to elaborate for me? It sounds interesting and I'm open to new theories, but I rather listen to a breif explanation before searching for a whole long explanation.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2011, 01:45:07 PM »
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2011, 04:36:36 PM »
Wow, that went off topic fast!

It would appear here at the FES, that RE'ers must provide proof for everything we say.  We only ask here for the same.

If Tom believes the world always has been, then we must ask for proof.
On the RE side, there is a fair bit floating around in scientific papers and on the net that seek to prove the theory of the Big Bang.  I would have a look for some, but it goes far beyond my understanding very quickly.  I'm a Geologist, not a Physicist.  
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2011, 04:39:56 PM »
Quote from: IOA on February 05, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
I believe my brain looks something like this:
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2011, 05:25:55 PM »
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Wow, that went off topic fast!

It would appear here at the FES, that RE'ers must provide proof for everything we say.  We only ask here for the same.

If Tom believes the world always has been, then we must ask for proof.

It is not possible to prove the origins of the earth just as it is not possible to prove that the universe is infinite. Many RE'ers believe that their universe is infinite in extent, but you don't see me stamping my feet demanding evidence of the unprovable. I expect the same courtesy in return.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2011, 10:14:10 PM »
how exactly does an object 32 miles in diameter power a planet?

It can't run off of fusion, because that would imply gravity exists.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2011, 02:20:34 AM »
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Wow, that went off topic fast!

It would appear here at the FES, that RE'ers must provide proof for everything we say.  We only ask here for the same.

If Tom believes the world always has been, then we must ask for proof.

It is not possible to prove the origins of the earth just as it is not possible to prove that the universe is infinite. Many RE'ers believe that their universe is infinite in extent, but you don't see me stamping my feet demanding evidence of the unprovable. I expect the same courtesy in return.
The difference is, even with RET creation of the universe there are bits and pieces of work floating around that go some way to justifying the belief.  Largely theoretical physics, plenty of Stephen Hawkings stuff, which confuses the hell out of me.  Point is, the belief is justified to some extent with scientific research, which FET does not appear to have.

True, it is not possible to know the origin of the Earth, not until we have foolproof evidence for it.  However, one can theorise, and come up with the best possible guess as to the formation.
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2011, 03:04:13 AM »
Quote from: Kira-SY on February 06, 2011, 04:11:35 AM
That's one disgusting brain.

@James, mind to elaborate for me? It sounds interesting and I'm open to new theories, but I rather listen to a breif explanation before searching for a whole long explanation.

A long time ago in the Earth's history the Sun and Moon were attached to the Earth, and because there was no sunlight melting the oceans, the entire world was covered in ice. When the Sun first began to emit light, because a set of shrimp-like bacteria covered its surface area and developed bioluminescence, what is known as the photoelectric effect occurred on a massive scale. When light shines on a metal at a certain intensity, the surface 'kicks out' electrons. Now, as the solar shrimp went about their daily activities, they shone against the iron core of the Earth and caused it to begin kicking electrons upwards. All of a sudden, the Sun was lofted into the sky on a large fountain of electrons and flew high into the sky, and as its light shone down on the frozen Earth, the water melted and oceans began to form. The same event occured with a different species on another area and thus the Moon was formed. This is how the situation is today; the Sun and Moon are large Massice Discs suspended by the power of photoelectric expulsion. What many globularist scientists take to be pits caused by large asteroids hitting the Earth are in fact the detachment points of celestial objects.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2011, 06:57:43 AM »
I had to stop thinking about the sun and moon as big rock balls to imagine what you say, but once i realised you assume moon and sun being small, it makes a bit more of sense. Thanks.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2011, 07:23:09 AM »
The Sun and Moon are flat discs scarcely more than 30 miles across.
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2011, 07:37:06 AM »
Quote from: James on February 07, 2011, 07:23:09 AM
The Sun and Moon are flat discs scarcely more than 30 miles across.

Wait a sec.
I assume shrimp-like creatures were originally on the surface of that area that became a hovering disc...
Can photoelectric expulsion go through rock or land? If it can, why would it stop, and what would it use to impulse the disck upwards?
If it can't, shouldn't the disc be "expulsed" downwards, being every more stuck into the earth?
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Re: Formation Of The Earth
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2011, 08:22:47 AM »
Quote from: James on February 07, 2011, 03:04:13 AM
Quote from: Kira-SY on February 06, 2011, 04:11:35 AM
That's one disgusting brain.

@James, mind to elaborate for me? It sounds interesting and I'm open to new theories, but I rather listen to a breif explanation before searching for a whole long explanation.

A long time ago in the Earth's history the Sun and Moon were attached to the Earth, and because there was no sunlight melting the oceans, the entire world was covered in ice. When the Sun first began to emit light, because a set of shrimp-like bacteria covered its surface area and developed bioluminescence, what is known as the photoelectric effect occurred on a massive scale. When light shines on a metal at a certain intensity, the surface 'kicks out' electrons. Now, as the solar shrimp went about their daily activities, they shone against the iron core of the Earth and caused it to begin kicking electrons upwards. All of a sudden, the Sun was lofted into the sky on a large fountain of electrons and flew high into the sky, and as its light shone down on the frozen Earth, the water melted and oceans began to form. The same event occured with a different species on another area and thus the Moon was formed. This is how the situation is today; the Sun and Moon are large Massice Discs suspended by the power of photoelectric expulsion. What many globularist scientists take to be pits caused by large asteroids hitting the Earth are in fact the detachment points of celestial objects.

You contradict yourself, you have said that heat does not come from the sun but the earth below us.
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