Couple problems with the flat earth theory

You would have to do a very good job to convince me of something as false as the flat earth theory. My cousin is Eric Boe, a BASA Astronaut, and a former fighter and test pilot. Let me tell you, if he's part of the conspiracy and he's lying about ever being in orbit, he would have to be the greatest pathological liar ever known, with the dozens of hours of stories he's brought back from his job, it would be the most perfectly spun web of lies ever, without a single inconsistency or contradiction.

About 15 years ago, while he was a test pilot stationed at Lackland Air Force Base, he and his friend offered me (actually convinced me, more-or-less) a free ride in a Lockheed U-2 at 70,000 feet. After a tedious hour of putting the "space suit" on, and a 20 minute eardrum shattering climb, we reached cruising altitude at 70,000 feet and a minute later peaked at 71,200 feet!! Now, not that I personally would need this as proof that that earth is round, and I know you flat earth conspiracy theorists will either deny my claims or try to explain it away, but after passing 55,000 feet altitude, the earth's curvature becomes obvious. You can clearly tell that you are staring down at a small portion of a huge spherical object!

Just a couple more questions for you...

What about other space agencies around the world? Are they part of the conspiracy too?

What about the Moon, and other celestial bodies in our solar system, are they also flat?

Also, If the earth isn't a spinning sphere, what other than the Coriolis effect can possibly give our weather systems their spin?

Also, if anyone has circumnavigated the Antarctic coast, they would have been able to disprove this theory after finding out it took them only 10,000 miles to do so, instead of the 40,000+ miles it would take according to your theory and your flat earth map. I would assume Antarctica has been circumnavigated before, and I'm sure you will never find any instance anywhere, where it took anyone near 40,000 miles to circumnavigate the Antarctic coast.

Thanks,
Jason

Whine Whine Whine My name is Jason Blah Blah Blah I didn't read the FAQ.

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Whine Whine Whine my name is something or other Blah Blah Blah I didn't read the OP.

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Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 05:27:46 PM

Whine Whine Whine My name is Jason Blah Blah Blah I didn't read the FAQ.

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Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 05:27:46 PM

Whine Whine Whine My name is Jason Blah Blah Blah I didn't read the FAQ.

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My apologies, I wasn't aware there was a FAQ that dealt with some of the questions I posed. However, the FAQ doesn't address all my questions, which it would have been nice for you to answer, but I guess it's easier to just mock me instead of trying to answer me, right?

Okay first, if the Moon and Sun are "spotlights", they can't also be spheres, a luminous sphere won't produce any sort of directional beam. Common sense. The McIntyre model cannot be right either, because if the sun and moon were flat discs, they would appear oval or oblong if you weren't directly under them (their zenith) because of your perspective. They would change shape as the day goes on. Secondly, Why don't you guys agree on one model?

The FAQ does not address the Coriolis effect and its relation to the earth's weather.

I see the FAQ also has alternate maps of the flat earth. Just like alternate explanations of the sun and moon, Isn't it kind of funny that you guys don't even have one coherent model of how this all should work? The map that shows Antarctica as a distinct continent is in direct contradiction to the map you have posted in your FAQ, and if you believe the "antarctic continent" map is right, then I would like you to take a boat from the Aleutians, sail due south and tell me you didn't eventually end up in Antarctica. As for circumnavigating Antarctica in 10,000 miles, you would have to refer to the "antarctic continent" map, which like I said, directly contradicts the map you have posted in the FAQ.

A lot of you flat earthers argue that science is a conspiracy, but you also seem to hold a lot of weight to the Dark Energy model.

The FAQ also does not explain why I saw the earth's curvature with my own eyes

A couple more questions I would like for you to answer are: How was the earth, moon and sun formed? And why is the inside of the earth Molten?

More or less, denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience... That's why he could only mock me.

More or less, denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience... That's why he could only mock me.

Actually, I'm stunned by your stupidity of not checking the Frequently Asked Questions section of the forms for you answers. Also, ditch the unwarranted self-importance.

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 07:41:00 PM

More or less, denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience... That's why he could only mock me.

Actually, I'm stunned by your stupidity of not checking the Frequently Asked Questions section of the forms for you answers. Also, ditch the unwarranted self-importance.

That's a blatant lie. One doesn't have to be stupid to overlook the FAQ. You're stunned by it? What, am I the first person ever to post here without looking at the FAQ? Also, if you didn't bother to read my post, the FAQ doesn't address all my questions, and in fact, the FAQ doesn't sufficiently answer any of my questions. It also contradicts itself in many ways. And just what exactly do you mean by self-importance?

keep those childish remarks coming!

danukenator123, Your question dodging says a lot...

Hey everyone; can I get clarification on this article has this been brough up before on this site? Seems like it would be a cheap and easy way for any Flat Earther or Round Earther to prove his / her point easily and with direct photographic evidence 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1260323/British-aerospace-enthusiast-takes-NASA-style-photographs-using-helium-balloon-pocket-camera.html

And some pics from the above atricle; for the lazy basically





I believe that the earth is round just in case you were wondering; sorry to hijack your thread earthisroundDUMMY but I though those pics would backup your U2 flight experience. There is a youtube vid of James May going up in a U2 stunning.

Thanks all.

Quote from: Danukenator123 on January 08, 2011, 07:50:39 PM

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 07:41:00 PM

More or less, denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience... That's why he could only mock me.

Actually, I'm stunned by your stupidity of not checking the Frequently Asked Questions section of the forms for you answers. Also, ditch the unwarranted self-importance.

That's a blatant lie. One doesn't have to be stupid to overlook the FAQ. You're stunned by it? What, am I the first person ever to post here without looking at the FAQ? Also, if you didn't bother to read my post, the FAQ doesn't address all my questions, and in fact, the FAQ doesn't sufficiently answer any of my questions. It also contradicts itself in many ways. And just what exactly do you mean by self-importance?

keep those childish remarks coming!

The problem is that there are a hundred people with 1-5 posts that post a big block of questions without consulting the FAQ. The fact that you aren't familiar with the FAQ indicated that you haven't lurked the forums and are posting before getting a background on the subject. In fact, the FAQ and various Threads answer all of your questions, I don't have to find the answers for you, we have a search feature for that. As for the self-importance...

denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience

...you are not intimidating, you are just misspelling my name.

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Danukenator123 on January 08, 2011, 07:50:39 PM

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 07:41:00 PM

More or less, denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience... That's why he could only mock me.

Actually, I'm stunned by your stupidity of not checking the Frequently Asked Questions section of the forms for you answers. Also, ditch the unwarranted self-importance.

That's a blatant lie. One doesn't have to be stupid to overlook the FAQ. You're stunned by it? What, am I the first person ever to post here without looking at the FAQ? Also, if you didn't bother to read my post, the FAQ doesn't address all my questions, and in fact, the FAQ doesn't sufficiently answer any of my questions. It also contradicts itself in many ways. And just what exactly do you mean by self-importance?

keep those childish remarks coming!

The problem is that there are a hundred people with 1-5 posts that post a big block of questions without consulting the FAQ. The fact that you aren't familiar with the FAQ indicated that you haven't lurked the forums and are posting before getting a background on the subject. In fact, the FAQ and various Threads answer all of your questions, I don't have to find the answers for you, we have a search feature for that. As for the self-importance...

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 07:41:00 PM

denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience

...you are not intimidating, you are just misspelling my name.

You can still answer his questions. As far as I know, FET has never debated some one with a first-hand account of the curvature of the Earth.

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Danukenator123 on January 08, 2011, 07:50:39 PM

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 07:41:00 PM

More or less, denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience... That's why he could only mock me.

Actually, I'm stunned by your stupidity of not checking the Frequently Asked Questions section of the forms for you answers. Also, ditch the unwarranted self-importance.

That's a blatant lie. One doesn't have to be stupid to overlook the FAQ. You're stunned by it? What, am I the first person ever to post here without looking at the FAQ? Also, if you didn't bother to read my post, the FAQ doesn't address all my questions, and in fact, the FAQ doesn't sufficiently answer any of my questions. It also contradicts itself in many ways. And just what exactly do you mean by self-importance?

keep those childish remarks coming!

The problem is that there are a hundred people with 1-5 posts that post a big block of questions without consulting the FAQ. The fact that you aren't familiar with the FAQ indicated that you haven't lurked the forums and are posting before getting a background on the subject. In fact, the FAQ and various Threads answer all of your questions, I don't have to find the answers for you, we have a search feature for that. As for the self-importance...

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 07:41:00 PM

denukenator123 is intimidated by my personal experience

...you are not intimidating, you are just misspelling my name.

But like I said, the FAQ and other threads don't really answer any of my questions, there are multiple half-assed explanations for most of my questions, and almost all of them just contradict each other. As for someone who has background on the subject, you shouldn't have to find any answers, you should know them already, shouldn't you? What I said about your intimidation had nothing to do with "self-importance", it's just that you clearly are intimidated, not by me per se, but rather by my story. That is why when you had something to say for yourself, it was a mock and an insult, instead of guidance or answers. And what does misspelling your name have to do with any of this?

You're really going out on a limb to dodge my questions here...

You can still answer his questions. As far as I know, FET has never debated some one with a first-hand account of the curvature of the Earth.

exactly why he won't engage me in debate!! thank you!!

Quote from: doyh on January 08, 2011, 08:32:32 PM

You can still answer his questions. As far as I know, FET has never debated some one with a first-hand account of the curvature of the Earth.

exactly why he won't engage me in debate!! thank you!!

Read my signature. FE'ers seem to hate answering questions.

I have another question that the FAQ couldn't address, that I would like a FET to answer:

International Space Station seen through earth-based telescope
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-This can be done by any amateur astronomer who has the money to get a good enough telescope, and there are many, many different videos of it online... Are all of them part of the conspiracy too?

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 08:47:48 PM

Quote from: doyh on January 08, 2011, 08:32:32 PM

You can still answer his questions. As far as I know, FET has never debated some one with a first-hand account of the curvature of the Earth.

exactly why he won't engage me in debate!! thank you!!

Read my signature. FE'ers seem to hate answering questions.

haha yes, I've only been here not much more than an hour, and they've already made that obvious! 

I would like to see some proof that what the OP claims happened actually happened. I do not think this is an unreasonable request, as people come in here almost weekly claiming to be astronauts or the like.

I would like to see some proof that what the OP claims happened actually happened. I do not think this is an unreasonable request, as people come in here almost weekly claiming to be astronauts or the like.

I don't remember anyone claiming to be an astronaut on this forum, maybe you could direct me to these instances.

I would like to see some proof that what the OP claims happened actually happened. I do not think this is an unreasonable request, as people come in here almost weekly claiming to be astronauts or the like.

Proof? What proof am I going to have? The documents are long-lost. If I was able to take a camcorder or camera up there with me, and somehow manage to operate it with that suit on, I would have. I have pictures of me in front of the u-2 that I would have to get scanned, but that wouldn't get very far as "proof". If I am some day able to find the documents, I'll get them scanned too, but I know even if I do that, you'll say they're not mine, or I forged them...so what's the use??

Besides, your request is just another attempt at taking the attention off my questions...

So flat earthers are afraid to answer skeptical questions. Who would have known...

Besides, your request is just another attempt at taking the attention off my questions...

No it isn't. We get people in here all the time saying, "I am an astronaut, and I have been to space!  I have seen the Earth is a globe!"

I see no reason to believe you are not one of them, especially considering every other post of yours is an attempt to ridicule.

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 09:41:00 PM

Besides, your request is just another attempt at taking the attention off my questions...

No it isn't. We get people in here all the time saying, "I am an astronaut, and I have been to space!  I have seen the Earth is a globe!"

I see no reason to believe you are not one of them, especially considering every other post of yours is an attempt to ridicule.

you just keep dodging my questions. still never answered one. really sad. I'm not here to troll, which is probably the reason you joined FES in the first place, so you can wait for people to come here simply asking questions, and piss them off with accusations and question dodging. With almost 6000 posts wasted on trolling and arguing false points, I think it's time you get a job, or some friends, or both. I came here to ask a few skeptical questions, If I can't get them answered then I'll just leave, knowing you were either not competent enough, or confident enough, to answer them.

you just keep dodging my questions. still never answered one. really sad.

Yeah that's pretty much all he does here. You'll find debates with EG are completely unproductive as he contributes nothing of substance.

Quote from: earthisroundDUMMY on January 08, 2011, 10:40:03 PM

you just keep dodging my questions. still never answered one. really sad.

Yeah that's pretty much all he does here. You'll find debates with EG are completely unproductive as he contributes nothing of substance.

 

I thought we had a perfectly productive chat in PR&S earlier today...

you just keep dodging my questions. still never answered one. really sad. I'm not here to troll, which is probably the reason you joined FES in the first place, so you can wait for people to come here simply asking questions, and piss them off with accusations and question dodging. With almost 6000 posts wasted on trolling and arguing false points, I think it's time you get a job, or some friends, or both. I came here to ask a few skeptical questions, If I can't get them answered then I'll just leave, knowing you were either not competent enough, or confident enough, to answer them.

I assure you that every single one of your assertions about me are incorrect.

I should have been more specific, you don't contribute anything of substance in arguments about FET. You give a great example of this in the last half of your post there.

You give a great example of this in the last half of your post there.

There was no subsistence in the post I was replying to. It was essentially one giant flame. Why should I have posted otherwise?

Quote from: General Disarray on January 09, 2011, 12:07:57 AM

You give a great example of this in the last half of your post there.

There was no subsistence in the post I was replying to. It was essentially one giant flame. Why should I have posted otherwise?

you're still dodging my questions, coward.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on January 09, 2011, 07:53:16 AM

Quote from: General Disarray on January 09, 2011, 12:07:57 AM

You give a great example of this in the last half of your post there.

There was no subsistence in the post I was replying to. It was essentially one giant flame. Why should I have posted otherwise?

you're still dodging my questions, coward.

And GD wonders why I don't respond to hostile noobs like you.

so hi guys this is my first post! i have been reading the forums for a while now and until now i didnt feel any need to make any reply but find your debates entertaining enough just to read. but this has me stumped here is a guy who claims to of seen a round earth with his own eyes yet all you fet peeps can do is ignore his requests for an answer (nothing new then!) calling him a noob was the last straw. he has witnessed a round earth with his own eyes yet i havnt seen any fet on here who can claim the same. would be nice to believe fet in some way but the evidence that proves the earth is round is just too strong. i think its just about time you put your hands up and admit that its quite possible the earth is actually ROUND.

so hi guys this is my first post! i have been reading the forums for a while now and until now i didnt feel any need to make any reply but find your debates entertaining enough just to read. but this has me stumped here is a guy who claims to of seen a round earth with his own eyes yet all you fet peeps can do is ignore his requests for an answer (nothing new then!) calling him a noob was the last straw. he has witnessed a round earth with his own eyes yet i havnt seen any fet on here who can claim the same.

I claim to have seen the FE in its entirety with my own eyes. Are you gonna defend me now when people call bs?

i think its just about time you put your hands up and admit that its quite possible the earth is actually ROUND.

*Hands up*

It is quite possible the earth is ROUND.

*Hands still up*

It is quite possible there is a teapot orbiting Uranus.

*Hands still up, though getting shaky*

It is quite possible there is an asteroid made of ballistics gel.