Empirical evidence for moon shrimp

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 16, 2011, 09:33:16 PM

I can answer this challenge, for I have ample empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.

Go ahead, answer it.

As a practising oneirologist and oneiromancer I for one have had many oneiric experiences involving or related to Moon Shrimp over the last few months. Most of them took place during my recent leave of absence (taken precisely so that I could engage in such research), and so I could not contribute this thread at the time. All of these dream visions seemed to confirm that such creatures exist and prosper on the moon. At this point I have collated data from upwards of 50 dreams, and I am satisfied that Moon Shrimp and/or similar creatures populate the lunar ecosytem.


However, several aspects of my oneiric experiences suggest that these creatures are merely shrimp-like, and so I believe some other name should be used from now on. I suggest referring to them simply as Luna.

Quote from: LoGiCaL on March 17, 2011, 02:38:08 AM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 16, 2011, 09:33:16 PM

I can answer this challenge, for I have ample empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.

Go ahead, answer it.

As a practising oneirologist and oneiromancer I for one have had many oneiric experiences involving or related to Moon Shrimp over the last few months. Most of them took place during my recent leave of absence (taken precisely so that I could engage in such research), and so I could not contribute this thread at the time. All of these dream visions seemed to confirm that such creatures exist and prosper on the room. At this point I have collated data from upwards of 50 dreams, and I am satisfied that Moon Shrimp and/or similar creatures populate the lunar habitat.


However, several aspects of my oneiric experiences suggest that these creatures are merely shrimp-like, and so I believe some other name should be used from now on. I suggest referring to them simply as Luna.

Please cease spamming my thread.

Quote from: LoGiCaL on March 17, 2011, 02:38:08 AM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 16, 2011, 09:33:16 PM

I can answer this challenge, for I have ample empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.

Go ahead, answer it.

As a practising oneirologist and oneiromancer I for one have had many oneiric experiences involving or related to Moon Shrimp over the last few months. Most of them took place during my recent leave of absence (taken precisely so that I could engage in such research), and so I could not contribute this thread at the time. All of these dream visions seemed to confirm that such creatures exist and prosper on the room. At this point I have collated data from upwards of 50 dreams, and I am satisfied that Moon Shrimp and/or similar creatures populate the lunar habitat.


However, several aspects of my oneiric experiences suggest that these creatures are merely shrimp-like, and so I believe some other name should be used from now on. I suggest referring to them simply as Luna.

You had dreams and saw shrimp-like creatures. Thank you for providing us with nothing.

Please cease spamming my thread.

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it. The challenge has been met, so don't start complaining or memberating in order to hide the fact that this is yet another victory for FE.

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it.

It think that we have different definitions of what constitutes evidence (at least in a scientific context).

Quote from: General Disarray on March 17, 2011, 09:33:32 AM

Please cease spamming my thread.

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it. The challenge has been met, so don't start complaining or memberating in order to hide the fact that this is yet another victory for FE.

Dreams do not count as empirical evidence and trying to use them as such should be considered trolling the upper forums.

Quote from: General Disarray on March 17, 2011, 09:33:32 AM

Please cease spamming my thread.

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it. The challenge has been met, so don't start complaining or memberating in order to hide the fact that this is yet another victory for FE.

I do not understand how this falls under direct observation or experience. A dream is neither of the two.

while i agree dreams should not be ruled as evidence,
Master Lord Willmire seems to be and a visionary, and his dreams should hold some truth.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 17, 2011, 09:37:44 AM

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it.

It think that we have different definitions of what constitutes evidence (at least in a scientific context).

GD asked for empirical evidence, not scientific evidence. Empirical evidence is evidence relating to observation or experience, and I certainly experienced those dreams. Challenge met.

Dreams do not count as empirical evidence and trying to use them as such should be considered trolling the upper forums.

Dreams are empirical evidence. See above and/or talk to a psychologist.

I do not understand how this falls under direct observation or experience. A dream is neither of the two.

Are you suggesting that I did not experience my dreams?

lol flat earthers just killed their own theory, if the only evidence you can come up with are dreams about shrimp bacteria talking to you from the moon, then it's pretty clear that you are either mentally retarded, trolls, or desperately try to believe something that isn't real.

If you still truly believe in flat earth theory after reading this, then please die.

Edit:
Also, you pretty much killed this site for me it's clear that you dont believe in your theory, so there is no fun in arguing with you

Honestly, if you don't think dreams have disclosive capacity then you're in the minority. Most cultures, philosophies and religions have affirmed the truth-value of dreams. See the writings of Carl Jung, or Chen Shiyuan's Encyclopedia of Dreams. The ancient Greeks even had special temples in which they would heal patients through dream-inducement.

Honestly, if you don't think dreams have disclosive capacity then you're in the minority. Most cultures, philosophies and religions have affirmed the truth-value of dreams. See the writings of Carl Jung, or Chen Shiyuan's Encyclopedia of Dreams. The ancient Greeks even had special temples in which they would heal patients through dream-inducement.

Why aren't we still using dreams for medical (or other) purposes?

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 17, 2011, 11:26:28 AM

Honestly, if you don't think dreams have disclosive capacity then you're in the minority. Most cultures, philosophies and religions have affirmed the truth-value of dreams. See the writings of Carl Jung, or Chen Shiyuan's Encyclopedia of Dreams. The ancient Greeks even had special temples in which they would heal patients through dream-inducement.

Why aren't we still using dreams for medical (or other) purposes?

First of all, dream therapy still exists. Secondly, people have a mistaken notion of progress. There seems to be an assumption that the present is always greater or better than the past.

Quote from: James on March 17, 2011, 04:47:01 AM

With no natural predators, Lunar animals have grown intensely populous throughout the centuries.

Wait, what about the moon bats that hunt in crescent formation thus creating the illusion of craters? Sheesh, you guys need to start getting more coherent.

There's no bats on the moon. There are moonlions though

Quote from: markjo on March 17, 2011, 09:44:48 AM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 17, 2011, 09:37:44 AM

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it.

It think that we have different definitions of what constitutes evidence (at least in a scientific context).

GD asked for empirical evidence, not scientific evidence. Empirical evidence is evidence relating to observation or experience, and I certainly experienced those dreams. Challenge met.

Quote from: Horatio on March 17, 2011, 09:58:48 AM

Dreams do not count as empirical evidence and trying to use them as such should be considered trolling the upper forums.

Dreams are empirical evidence. See above and/or talk to a psychologist.

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 10:03:20 AM

I do not understand how this falls under direct observation or experience. A dream is neither of the two.

Are you suggesting that I did not experience my dreams?

You experienced a dream, not moon shrimp. Therefore we are not accepting this.

Quote from: General Disarray on March 17, 2011, 09:33:32 AM

Please cease spamming my thread.

You asked for empirical evidence and I have provided it. The challenge has been met, so don't start complaining or memberating in order to hide the fact that this is yet another victory for FE.

You have provided us with your testament to your own personal, albeit questionable, empirical evidence of the existence of moon shrimp, or luna, or what ever you want to call your dream manifested imaginary creatures.

Perhaps you could provide for us with empirical evidence that WE can observe for ourselves, or better yet, some scientific evidence or proof of the existence of these lunar bio-luminescent shrimp-like creatures.  Even a small shred of proof that is observable to the rest of us who do not share the keen eyesight of the EnglishGentileman who can (apparently) witness these organisms individually from well over 3000 miles away.  It must be nice to have 500,000,000/20 vision.

Congratulations we now have empirical evidence that Lord Wilmore dreams. Now back to empirical evidence that the light from the moon is originating from moon shrimp.

You experienced a dream, not moon shrimp. Therefore we are not accepting this.

That's like saying I experienced the sight of moon shrimp, but not moons shrimp.

You have provided us with your testament to your own personal, albeit questionable, empirical evidence of the existence of moon shrimp, or luna, or what ever you want to call your dream manifested imaginary creatures.

Perhaps you could provide for us with empirical evidence that WE can observe for ourselves, or better yet, some scientific evidence or proof of the existence of these lunar bio-luminescent shrimp-like creatures.  Even a small shred of proof that is observable to the rest of us who do not share the keen eyesight of the EnglishGentileman who can (apparently) witness these organisms individually from well over 3000 miles away.  It must be nice to have 500,000,000/20 vision.

None of this was stipulated by the OP. However, if you wish to observe it yourself, I suggest getting starting a dream journal and also thinking about luna during the day. I don't support the scientific method, so I'm not really interested in providing 'scientific evidence;.

So if I have a dream that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe, I then have empirical evidence that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe?

So if I have a dream that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe, I then have empirical evidence that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe?

In a word, yes. Of course I doubt that you would have such a dream, and anyway, like all empirical data, dreams must be interpreted. That is why oneiromancers like myself must exercise judgement.

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 04:08:32 PM

So if I have a dream that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe, I then have empirical evidence that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe?

In a word, yes. Of course I doubt that you would have such a dream, and anyway, like all empirical data, dreams must be interpreted. That is why oneiromancers like myself must exercise judgement.

So, because you had the dream, and you are you, it is empirical evidence of moon shrimp, however my dream isn't empirical evidence because I am me? This sound like a bunch of garbage to me. This is like a bunch of 8 year olds playing war, and one kid is like, "You didn't shoot me, I have a force field that you can shoot through! Oh, you cant make bullets go through force fields, I said so."

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 04:08:32 PM

So if I have a dream that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe, I then have empirical evidence that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe?

In a word, yes.

Hmm...if only there were some way to reasonably ascertain the validity of a given piece of empirical evidence. Well, in this case I suppose you could try directly observing Lord Wilmore, outside of a dream. Perhaps directly observing the luna outside of a dream would similarly illuminate (ho ho) matters?

But if anybody has been fortunate enough to observe one of these understandably elusive creatures, i would love to see a drawing, preferably in Paint.

So, because you had the dream, and you are you, it is empirical evidence of moon shrimp, however my dream isn't empirical evidence because I am me? This sound like a bunch of garbage to me. This is like a bunch of 8 year olds playing war, and one kid is like, "You didn't shoot me, I have a force field that you can shoot through! Oh, you cant make bullets go through force fields, I said so."

I didn't say that at all. I simply said that your dream (like any other) requires interpretation. Indeed all empircal data must be interpreted properly. Truth lies in judgement, not in matter or phenomona.

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 04:30:27 PM

So, because you had the dream, and you are you, it is empirical evidence of moon shrimp, however my dream isn't empirical evidence because I am me? This sound like a bunch of garbage to me. This is like a bunch of 8 year olds playing war, and one kid is like, "You didn't shoot me, I have a force field that you can shoot through! Oh, you cant make bullets go through force fields, I said so."

I didn't say that at all. I simply said that your dream (like any other) requires interpretation. Indeed all empircal data must be interpreted properly. Truth lies in judgement, not in matter or phenomona.

Do you concede you may be incorrect in your interpretation about the moon shrimp then?

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 04:30:27 PM

So, because you had the dream, and you are you, it is empirical evidence of moon shrimp, however my dream isn't empirical evidence because I am me? This sound like a bunch of garbage to me. This is like a bunch of 8 year olds playing war, and one kid is like, "You didn't shoot me, I have a force field that you can shoot through! Oh, you cant make bullets go through force fields, I said so."

I didn't say that at all. I simply said that your dream (like any other) requires interpretation. Indeed all empircal data must be interpreted properly. Truth lies in judgement, not in matter or phenomona.

According to my interpretation, I have concluded that Lord Wilmore is a six legged giraffe. Dreams might be a start to something, but without directly observing what was started from a dream, it's nothing but a dream. Unless you have, with your own eyes, directly observed or experienced a moon shrimp, we're going to have to conclude that you have nothing but a dream.

Quote from: James on March 17, 2011, 04:47:01 AM

With no natural predators, Lunar animals have grown intensely populous throughout the centuries.

Wait, what about the moon bats that hunt in crescent formation thus creating the illusion of craters? Sheesh, you guys need to start getting more coherent.

There is no such thing as moon bats.  Please quit trying to troll.  The concept of a moon bat was brought up as a hypothetical answer to a thought experiment.  There is no evidence for moon bats and no one is advocating their existence. 

Quote from: LoGiCaL on March 17, 2011, 04:52:00 AM

Quote from: James on March 17, 2011, 04:47:01 AM

With no natural predators, Lunar animals have grown intensely populous throughout the centuries.

Wait, what about the moon bats that hunt in crescent formation thus creating the illusion of craters? Sheesh, you guys need to start getting more coherent.

There is no such thing as moon bats.  Please quit trying to troll.  The concept of a moon bat was brought up as a hypothetical answer to a thought experiment.  There is no evidence for moon bats and no one is advocating their existence. 

There is no evidence for moon shrimp either. It's just as likely there are moon bats.

There is no evidence for moon shrimp either. It's just as likely there are moon bats.

Have you not been reading any of Wilmore's posts or are you just skipping over them?  You can't pick and choose amongst evidence, it's intellectually dishonest.

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 06:57:55 PM

There is no evidence for moon shrimp either. It's just as likely there are moon bats.

Have you not been reading any of Wilmore's posts or are you just skipping over them?  You can't pick and choose amongst evidence, it's intellectually dishonest.

Actually, you can (and should) pick and choose amongst evidence and use only that evidence which is verifiable, objective and reliable.

Quote from: sillyrob on March 17, 2011, 06:57:55 PM

There is no evidence for moon shrimp either. It's just as likely there are moon bats.

Have you not been reading any of Wilmore's posts or are you just skipping over them?  You can't pick and choose amongst evidence, it's intellectually dishonest.

He said he had a dream. That's not evidence.