Empirical evidence for moon shrimp

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #300 on: February 07, 2011, 05:58:29 PM »
It shall be so beautiful.

We should compose a symphony to play against it.

People already have:
http://www.peterhuebner.com/peterhuebner/Presentations/LC_PH_MoSi_09.php
http://www.astraldimensions.com/music/songhtml/desert_moon_symphony.html
http://www.heroturko.org/b/black-moon-symphony-doug-aldrich/

I don't think that any of them mention moon shrimp, however.

If it can be viewed and experienced in a safe manner, there could be a new work titled 'Sonata for Moon Shrimp' played on harpsichord, violin, and flute that would follow...   

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #301 on: February 07, 2011, 06:06:08 PM »
gotham: you obviously have no intention of providing the evidence I requested for my research, so I would appreciate it if you would stop posting here.
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #302 on: February 07, 2011, 06:12:18 PM »
gotham: you obviously have no intention of providing the evidence I requested for my research, so I would appreciate it if you would stop posting here.

No, actually the burden of proof does not lie with me.  

But I will give you this.  If a person came into the thread with an open mind and with doubts about the topic at hand, they would have to conclude that there has been evidence presented to at least have to give consideration to the matter.  

I have to include myself in this group. Whether I believe in this not an issue.  What is an issue is that others have presented information that makes it absurd to make a claim that good points have not been made in their favor.  I give them this, and you should give them this.  Keep an open mind and hope that more relevant data is presented so the matter can be resolved.

..and I was just making a comment about the music that I will write and record when and if I can so now you can get back to your topic.  It is an important one and I will assist when I can.
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #303 on: February 07, 2011, 07:54:43 PM »
Your quote is irrelevant, since it questions who should prove whether there is proof in the thread for empirical evidence of moon shrimp, not who should prove moon shrimp. Either way, both burdens lie on you.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #304 on: February 08, 2011, 05:46:54 AM »
To expand upon Crustinator's post. . .

Bhattacharjee, C., Bradley, P. et al. (2000) 'Do Animals Bite More During A Full Moon? Retrospective Observational Analysis'. In BMJ: British Medical Journal, Vol. 321, No. 7276. pp. 1559-1561.

Thakur, C. P., & Sharma, D. (1984) 'Full Moon And Crime'. In British Medical Journal (Clinical Research Edition). Vol. 289, No. 6460. pp. 1789-1791.

Lardner, D. (1854-6) 'The Museum of Science and Art', London: Walton and Maberly, pp. 114-119.

Rowbotham, S. B. (1881) 'Earth Not a Globe...', Third Edition, London: Simpkin, Marshall & Co., pp. 141-150.


A synopsis of the above sources: an observer of the Moon is subject to the following dangers: Blindness, insanity, hypothermia, death, being bitten or mauled by vicious animals, and being mugged or assaulted by maddened human Moon-victims.

Thanks for the response.  I expected to be directed somewhere to lurk.

Anyway, there are still problems with your sources (for others, animals, crime, Lardner, and ENaG):

On the biting animals subject, I'd like to add a few quotes from your source.

Quote from: British Medical Journal
The effect of the phases of the moon on human nature and behaviour is well documented; some studies show positive aspects of the association and some show negative aspects.

Quote from: British Medical Journal
Further experiments are needed to verify our hypothesis. Few other studies have correlated the influence of the full moon with behaviour of animals or insects.

Quote from: British Medical Journal
What is already known on this topic
Human behaviour is altered during the full moon period

No study has significantly correlated the effects of a full moon with the propensity of animals to bite

While the study reasonably concludes that animal bites increase significantly during a full moon, it's made clear that no assumptions should be made thereforth until the cause of the 'aggression' can be determined.  "Being bitten or mauled by vicious animals" is an inane exaggeration, especially considering the increased aggression could have been caused by any number of things (maybe animals live/behave according to lunar cycles, the full moon simulates something that increases their aggression, etc).  The same goes for your (albeit much less detailed and in depth, as it only covers a study carried out a quarter-century ago) source tying increased crime rates to the full moon.  And again, your wording is extremely misleading: there are clearly no "maddened human moon-victims" wandering the streets during a full moon ravaging innocent civilians... just an increase in crime.

And of Lardner's "The Museum of Science and Art, v. 3-4.  The only content on those six pages was the ramblings of a man (centuries old) who was experiencing the wonders of "electric fluid", aka electricity.  If I'm reading the wrong material, please direct me towards the correct book.

And of your last cite to ENaG.  The first claim was that moonlight caused fish in a certain spot to "become most injurious to those who [ate] it."  The reference (pg. 367) is extremely vague and isolated and leads to no other sources.  Arguably, at the time the book was written, the people were not scientifically advanced enough to realize or understand the hundreds of other reasons why the fish may have injured those who ate it.  Nor does the reference cite what kind of fish, where they were fished, environmental factors, etc., which are all necessary to determine what may have caused the seafood poisoning.  It also vaguely mentions that it has "a pernicious effect upon those who, in the East, sleep in its beams."  Another isolated and baseless statement likely stemming from ignorance or misunderstanding.

The second reference is to a boy who evidently lost his sight after sleeping under the moon for a night.  ENaG cites this to "A Newspaper", and "A Newspaper" alone (again, very shady).  Not only does the cite say whether or not his sight returned, but it doesn't take into consideration the dozens of other factors that could've caused his (temporary?) blindness.  See acute/rapid onset blindess and causes of fleeting blindness.

The third reference mentions a (vague) "experiment" involving exposing one piece of meat to moonlight and one not, claiming that the former rotted faster than the latter.  Another prime example of fallicious reasoning (correlation does not imply causation) which could have been due to any number of factors and variables.

The fourth reference was essentially who looked (with an exposed face) to a full moon on a (freezing cold) mountain to the moon, got cold, and then had to cover his face with a handkerchief to stay warm.  Cleary "hypothermia" is a gross exaggeration, especially considering that his brief chill was due to the cold air commonly found on mountains.

So clearly James' belief that moonlight causes "blindness, insanity, hypothermia, death, being bitten or mauled by vicious animals, and being mugged or assaulted by maddened human Moon-victims" is false, if not obscenely over-exaggerated.

Where the hell did you get "death," anyway?  

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #305 on: March 15, 2011, 06:12:21 PM »
Four days until the moon shrimp are at the peak of their reproductive cycle!

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #306 on: March 15, 2011, 06:33:09 PM »
Four days until the moon shrimp are at the peak of their reproductive cycle!

I had already given up on this thread as a lost cause, why did you necro-bump it?
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #307 on: March 15, 2011, 07:07:46 PM »
Four days until the moon shrimp are at the peak of their reproductive cycle!

I had already given up on this thread as a lost cause, why did you necro-bump it?
He was trying to prove a point for his butthurt boyfriend.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #308 on: March 15, 2011, 10:22:43 PM »
He was trying to prove a point for his butthurt boyfriend.

How does it prove a point?

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #309 on: March 16, 2011, 03:18:36 AM »
...so are these bots, or people that come here and fail massively at subtlety?  'Cause if they're bots, I need to give them props.
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #310 on: March 16, 2011, 02:40:50 PM »
Wow 16 pages and no method for differentiating light originating from moon shrimp and other sources presented.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #311 on: March 16, 2011, 03:10:56 PM »
wait lol

does this mean the earth is round??

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #312 on: March 16, 2011, 03:16:42 PM »
No the earth is flat. Please read Earth not a Globe by Samuel Rowbotham.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #313 on: March 16, 2011, 03:18:43 PM »
wait lol

does this mean the earth is round??

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  No it means he wasted alot of time.
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #314 on: March 16, 2011, 03:31:10 PM »
After reading 16 pages of whatever this is, how can anyone take the flat earth theory seriously? If you guys aren't trolls, then you're just plain retarded.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #315 on: March 16, 2011, 03:33:59 PM »
Wow 16 pages and no method for differentiating light originating from moon shrimp and other sources presented.

You can see empirical evidence of it every night.

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LoGiCaL

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #316 on: March 16, 2011, 03:42:49 PM »
Wow 16 pages and no method for differentiating light originating from moon shrimp and other sources presented.

You can see empirical evidence of it every night.
What I see is empirical evidence of sunlight being reflected.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #317 on: March 16, 2011, 03:43:55 PM »
What I see is empirical evidence of sunlight being reflected by moon shrimp.

Fixed.

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LoGiCaL

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #318 on: March 16, 2011, 03:48:06 PM »
What I see is empirical evidence of sunlight being reflected from the moon.

Fixed.

Fixed^2.

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #319 on: March 16, 2011, 03:50:39 PM »
But the moon is covered in moon shrimp. There is nothing else to "reflect" off. Also, it is widely accepted that moon shrimp generate their own light, but to laymen it appears that the light is reflected this is not the case.

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LoGiCaL

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #320 on: March 16, 2011, 03:53:59 PM »
Also, it is widely accepted that moon shrimp generate their own light.
You sir, are a liar.



edit: actually, this is even a bigger lie:

the moon is covered in moon shrimp
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #321 on: March 16, 2011, 09:33:16 PM »
I can answer this challenge, for I have ample empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #322 on: March 16, 2011, 09:34:02 PM »
Are you gonna bring it Big Willy style?

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #323 on: March 16, 2011, 09:35:34 PM »
I can answer this challenge, for I have empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.

Well, you had better keep this evidence locked away in secret!
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #324 on: March 16, 2011, 10:03:34 PM »
I can answer this challenge, for I have ample empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.

I do as well. I am viewing it as we speak!

It is most beautiful. :)

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LoGiCaL

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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #325 on: March 17, 2011, 02:38:08 AM »
I can answer this challenge, for I have ample empirical evidence that Moon Shrimp exist.
Go ahead, answer it.


I do as well. I am viewing it as we speak!

It is most beautiful. :)
It's funny how at the same time I see the evidence of sunlight being reflected from the moon therefore proving the non-existence of the moon shrimp! Isn't this a strange world?

Oh, but I do agree it is beautiful :)


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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #326 on: March 17, 2011, 04:47:01 AM »
With no natural predators, Lunar animals have grown intensely populous throughout the centuries.
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Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #327 on: March 17, 2011, 04:52:00 AM »
With no natural predators, Lunar animals have grown intensely populous throughout the centuries.
Wait, what about the moon bats that hunt in crescent formation thus creating the illusion of craters? Sheesh, you guys need to start getting more coherent.

Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #328 on: March 17, 2011, 06:30:14 AM »
Are we forgetting the likelihood of lunar flora and fauna?

Re: Empirical evidence for moon shrimp
« Reply #329 on: March 17, 2011, 06:30:35 AM »
I think we can safly say that there is no empirical evidence to support moon shrimp. There is evidence that light comes from the moon. I agree it is quite very buitiful. I have not read of a way to determine the orgin of the light in what has now become 17 pages of non awnsers to the origional question.


Now I would like to direct this question at him, or any others who can answer it adequately: what ample empirical evidence suggests that the creatures which produce light on the moon are in fact shrimp-like bacteria?