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Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« on: December 27, 2010, 11:37:08 AM »
The title basically says it all. Why does the U.S. spend trillions through NASA to pretend we can go to space?And that doesn't include the untold billions spent bribing every member of NASA and every airline in the world. There is no good reason for it, as far as I can tell. Money clearly isn't it, nor is power. Ignorance for the sake of ignorance seems unlikely, as the knowledge that the earth is flat isn't exactly dangerous. Give me a single good reason why they might be doing it.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM »
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 11:50:22 AM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.

Except of course they did not fake it.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 12:06:04 PM »
The government still needs to give it all that money. People would find out if they tried to falsify that.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 12:06:27 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 12:13:36 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 27, 2010, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.
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Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.

Except of course they did not fake it.

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You know - the post you quoted did not say that the missions where faked.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2010, 12:21:00 PM »
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 12:06:04 PM
The government still needs to give it all that money. People would find out if they tried to falsify that.

From what I've seen in the forums, it seems that it's NASA falsifying the stuff.

If you think about it, quite a lot of people think NASA falsifies information, and I'm not even talking FET here.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 12:24:13 PM »
If you mean the "faked" moon missions, that was unintentionally started by a comedian whose name I cannot currently remember.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2010, 12:29:35 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 12:06:04 PM
The government still needs to give it all that money. People would find out if they tried to falsify that.

From what I've seen in the forums, it seems that it's NASA falsifying the stuff.

If you think about it, quite a lot of people think NASA falsifies information, and I'm not even talking FET here.

What makes you think NASA is the only space agency out there?  The first domestic satellite to be launched was for television broadcasts in Canada.  Ooooh very conspiratorial stuff - bringing Hockey Night in Canada to the far north - IN COLOUR.  Something impossible to do with microwave technology, the only other alternative.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 12:50:00 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.

How would they? You can physically go to their launches. Not once has NASA ever put people into space without it being aired or watched in some way.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 01:00:15 PM »
Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 12:50:00 PM
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Actually, they would SAVE trillions of dollars by faking all the space missions.

How would they? You can physically go to their launches. Not once has NASA ever put people into space without it being aired or watched in some way.

Can you physically follow them to their destinations? If you can see a plane set off, does it no longer matter whether it reached its destination, or hit a fantastically tall building?
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2010, 01:01:59 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on December 27, 2010, 01:00:15 PM

Can you physically follow them to their destinations? If you can see a plane set off, does it no longer matter whether it reached its destination, or hit a fantastically tall building?

You're missing the point. They're still blowing large sums of money on large rockets that, according to FET, don't reach an orbit. I'd wager that with all the costs involved, they aren't saving a lot of money at all.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2010, 01:06:11 PM »
Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 01:01:59 PM
You're missing the point.
No, you're missing the point.

Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 01:01:59 PM
They're still blowing large sums of money
Evidence?

Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 01:01:59 PM
I'd wager that with all the costs involved, they aren't saving a lot of money at all.
What costs? The costs of making a feeble phony rocket that'll collapse the moment it leaves your sight? Using the same amount of support you did, I'd wager that you can find those lying around on scrapyards.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010, 01:10:22 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on December 27, 2010, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 01:01:59 PM
I'd wager that with all the costs involved, they aren't saving a lot of money at all.
What costs? The costs of making a feeble phony rocket that'll collapse the moment it leaves your sight? Using the same amount of support you did, I'd wager that you can find those lying around on scrapyards.


No, the costs of making a multi-billion dollar shuttle that uses one of the most volatile fuel sources in the world to reach the atmosphere, stay there for a week while pretending to be in space, and then coming back down to be used again. Also, you can watch people board them.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2010, 01:15:53 PM »
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
No, the costs of making a multi-billion dollar shuttle that uses one of the most volatile fuel sources in the world to reach the atmosphere, stay there for a week while pretending to be in space, and then coming back down to be used again. Also, you can watch people board them.

That's just silly.  Reaching the atmoplane is available daily to everybody. 
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 PM »
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 12:24:13 PM
If you mean the "faked" moon missions, that was unintentionally started by a comedian whose name I cannot currently remember.

Not true. According to Andrew Chaikin, NASA hoax theories already existed even before the moon landing.

Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
The first domestic satellite to be launched was for television broadcasts in Canada.  Ooooh very conspiratorial stuff - bringing Hockey Night in Canada to the far north - IN COLOUR.  Something impossible to do with microwave technology, the only other alternative.

Wasn't it Sputnik? And it could be done with a huge network of pseudolites?

Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 12:50:00 PM
How would they? You can physically go to their launches. Not once has NASA ever put people into space without it being aired or watched in some way.

I can physically see an airplane set off but I can't know where it will end up except by reading what's on the screen, and they could put anything they want on the screen. They also could, for example, put the word "live" over some faked launch video.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2010, 01:23:04 PM »
It doesn't matter if it reaches it's damned destination or not, it matters because these vehicles, specifically vehicles used for spaceflight, cost money. Even if they're made of the cheapest materials they can use, they still cost money. I'm betting they cost a lot of money based on the observation that they fly really high before you can't see them anymore, and because they're really big and cause lots of fire and smoke.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2010, 01:27:02 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 PM

Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
The first domestic satellite to be launched was for television broadcasts in Canada.  Ooooh very conspiratorial stuff - bringing Hockey Night in Canada to the far north - IN COLOUR.  Something impossible to do with microwave technology, the only other alternative.

Wasn't it Sputnik? And it could be done with a huge network of pseudolites?

He's talking about commercial satellites.

Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: Vindictus on December 27, 2010, 12:50:00 PM
How would they? You can physically go to their launches. Not once has NASA ever put people into space without it being aired or watched in some way.

I can physically see an airplane set off but I can't know where it will end up except by reading what's on the screen, and they could put anything they want on the screen. They also could, for example, put the word "live" over some faked launch video.

Regardless, people watch the shuttles go off, people watch them land weeks later, and they are reused. Therefore, they must be hovering in the atmosphere. Think of the costs.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2010, 01:44:15 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
The first domestic satellite to be launched was for television broadcasts in Canada.  Ooooh very conspiratorial stuff - bringing Hockey Night in Canada to the far north - IN COLOUR.  Something impossible to do with microwave technology, the only other alternative.

Wasn't it Sputnik? And it could be done with a huge network of pseudolites?
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
He's talking about commercial satellites.

Huge network of pseudolites?!  I thought we were talking about making money from a conspiracy?  Having a huge array of craft capable of circling Canada's arctic continually for the past 28 years broadcasting Television, Radio, and Telecommunications virtually uninterrupted would be vastly more expensive proposition.  Thats why Canada invested so much in satellite technologies on the non-military front.  There is no way to span the country with huge arrays of telecommunication towers, or gosh forbid cables.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2010, 02:22:21 PM »
Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
The first domestic satellite to be launched was for television broadcasts in Canada.  Ooooh very conspiratorial stuff - bringing Hockey Night in Canada to the far north - IN COLOUR.  Something impossible to do with microwave technology, the only other alternative.

Wasn't it Sputnik? And it could be done with a huge network of pseudolites?
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
He's talking about commercial satellites.

Huge network of pseudolites?!  I thought we were talking about making money from a conspiracy?  Having a huge array of craft capable of circling Canada's arctic continually for the past 28 years broadcasting Television, Radio, and Telecommunications virtually uninterrupted would be vastly more expensive proposition.  Thats why Canada invested so much in satellite technologies on the non-military front.  There is no way to span the country with huge arrays of telecommunication towers, or gosh forbid cables.

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Do you even know what's a pseudolite? It doesn't fly.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2010, 02:26:54 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
The first domestic satellite to be launched was for television broadcasts in Canada.  Ooooh very conspiratorial stuff - bringing Hockey Night in Canada to the far north - IN COLOUR.  Something impossible to do with microwave technology, the only other alternative.

Wasn't it Sputnik? And it could be done with a huge network of pseudolites?
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
He's talking about commercial satellites.

Huge network of pseudolites?!  I thought we were talking about making money from a conspiracy?  Having a huge array of craft capable of circling Canada's arctic continually for the past 28 years broadcasting Television, Radio, and Telecommunications virtually uninterrupted would be vastly more expensive proposition.  Thats why Canada invested so much in satellite technologies on the non-military front.  There is no way to span the country with huge arrays of telecommunication towers, or gosh forbid cables.

Berny
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Do you even know what's a pseudolite? It doesn't fly.

Ungoliant
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Do you even know what a telecommunication tower is? It doesn't fly.

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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2010, 02:30:11 PM »
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 02:26:54 PM
Do you even know what a telecommunication tower is? It doesn't fly.

Yes I do.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 02:32:23 PM »
So then what are you saying?
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 02:36:00 PM »
The real question is what you are saying.
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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2010, 02:37:15 PM »
Quote from: doyh on December 27, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
So then what are you saying?

The way he wrote it, it seemed like he meant he thought pseudolites were some sort of airplane flying around Canada. My apologies if that's not the case!
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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2010, 02:48:16 PM »
Apology accepted. At least, assuming that that isn't what he meant.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2010, 03:29:09 PM »
Quote from: Ungoliant on December 27, 2010, 02:22:21 PM

Do you even know what's a pseudolite? It doesn't fly.

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Pseudolite is a contraction of the term "pseudo-satellite," used to refer to something that is not a satellite which performs a function commonly in the domain of satellites. Pseudolites are most often small transceivers that are used to create a local, ground-based GPS alternative. The range of each transceiver's signal is dependent on the power available to the unit.

The only way for a Pseudolite to operate in Canada's far northern reaches would be by stratalites, or any other high altitude alternative.  Airships would be way to visible, so the only other alternative would be a high altitude aircraft.  What other alternatives do you think there are?  There are none that are readibly available and even less in the 70's.

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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2010, 03:35:18 PM »
Quote from: berny_74 on December 27, 2010, 03:29:09 PM
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The only way for a Pseudolite to operate in Canada's far northern reaches would be by stratalites, or any other high altitude alternative.  Airships would be way to visible, so the only other alternative would be a high altitude aircraft.  What other alternatives do you think there are?  There are none that are readibly available and even less in the 70's.

Some sort of internet-like network.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2010, 03:37:22 PM »
People would be able to hack into it.
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Re: Why does the government waste trillions of dollars on this conspiracy?
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