All Atheists Believe in God

For most of my life I've considered myself to be an atheist. It is only recently that I've come to the realization that atheists believe in God.

Throughout human history God has been used in society to explain nature and the world around us. The Native Americans had Gods of the rain, winds, and springtime flowers. The Greeks and Romans also used gods to explain natural occurrences. Christianity and Catholicism use God to explain how we were created and came to be. In every major religion God is always used to explain world and the unknown.

God is nature.

Ergo, whenever you ascribe features to nature you are invoking a God. If you claim that the fabric of space-time can bend and stretch, you are giving unknown qualities to nature which can only be described as God-like.

When you wave your hands around and say that "Nature did it" or "Nature caused that," it is no different than a religious man saying "God did it" or "God caused that".

God is the unknown; a way to explain our world. For all intents and purposes the atheist's Mother Nature, with all of her paranormal qualities and attributes, is a God.

It's true, you can prove any point by re-defining the concepts involved.

Example: 2+2=6, if you get to redefine "2" as meaning "3".

It's true, you can prove any point by re-defining the concepts involved.

I'm not redefining anything. If you look at the major religions throughout history you'd find that "God" is really just an analogy for what we think of as nature. God has been used to explain the rain, the wind, the creation of earth and mankind, the creation and workings of the universe, and everything we wonder about our surroundings.

Likewise, atheists also attempt to explain our world with a paranormal being called Nature. Nature can bend the fabric of time. She can create matter from nothing, and she can expand space faster than the speed of light. Nature's qualities are omnipotent and unquantifiable. The atheist is certain of her existence.

Mother Nature is the atheist's God. It is the same God as the Gods in the religions throughout human history. God has always been a mysterious omnipotent entity used to explain the workings of the world. Now God just has a different name.

The critical difference between God and Nature is the element of the supernatural. Almost every deity throughout history has been thought of as being above or beyond nature: atheists distinguish themselves by rejecting this otherwordly factor.

Also, "Nature" refers to the collective of life on Earth: the biosphere. Nature has no effect on the laws of physics or the creation of matter; "Cosmos" might be a better term for what you're describing.

Also, "Nature" refers to the collective of life on Earth: the biosphere.

Incorrect: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/nature

The critical difference between God and Nature is the element of the supernatural.

Nature has many elements of the supernatural.

She can:

- Bend the fabric of space
- Slow and speed up time itself
- Create matter from nothing
- Expand space faster than the speed of light
- She has matter which does not reflect or emit photons
- She can entangle particles and perform action-at-a-distance
- She has messenger particles which can tell a body to move itself through space

All of the above are unexplained in science.

How does the fabric of space bend? What about causes it to bend in the presence of mass? It just does.

How can matter exist which does not reflect or emit photons? It just does.

How can a messenger particle tell a body to move through space? It just does.

Mother Nature is omnipotent and displays qualities of the supernatural.

Christians don't really believe in God. Prove me wrong.

Nature has elements of the supernatural.

She can:

- Bend the fabric of space
- Slow and speed up time itself
- Create matter from nothing
- Expand space faster than the speed of light
- She has matter which does not reflect or emit photons
- She can entangle particles and perform action-at-a-distance
- She has messenger particles which can tell a body to move through space

All of the above are unexplained in science.

How does the fabric of space bend? What about mass causes it to bend? It just does.

How can matter exist which does not reflect or emit photons? It just does.

How can a messenger particle tell a body to move through space? It just does.

Mother Nature is omnipotent and paranormal.

I disagree with your answer of "It just does."  A more appropriate reply would be "We don't know."  Science is not able to explain those phenomena currently.  But that doesn't mean that it will never be able to.

Christians don't really believe in God. Prove me wrong.

Christians believe in god by definition.
If they didn't, they wouldn't be Christians.

There.

Christians believe in god by definition.
If they didn't, they wouldn't be Christians.

There.

So you're saying Christians don't exist?

I disagree with your answer of "It just does."  A more appropriate reply would be "We don't know."

Of course you don't know. That's what makes it supernatural. If you don't know, whenever you talk about it you're invoking the supernatural and paranormal.

Mother Nature is the paranormal. Mother Nature is a God.

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on December 12, 2010, 11:03:32 PM

Christians believe in god by definition.
If they didn't, they wouldn't be Christians.

There.

So you're saying Christians don't exist?

No because if Christian's didn't exist, than they couldn't believe anything (including god). 

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I disagree with your answer of "It just does."  A more appropriate reply would be "We don't know."

Of course you don't know. That's what makes it supernatural. If you don't know, whenever you talk about it you're invoking the supernatural and paranormal.

Mother Nature is the paranormal. Mother Nature is a God.

So now that you're done redefining "God" for the sake of your argument, you are redefining "supernatural" and "paranormal" too?

All Atheists Believe in God

Mother Nature is the paranormal. Mother Nature is a God.

You're confusing atheism with pantheism.

No because if Christian's didn't exist, than they couldn't believe anything (including god). 

So now Christians don't exist, and hypothetical Christians don't believe in anything?

So now that you're done redefining "God" for the sake of your argument, you are redefining "supernatural" and "paranormal" too?

Mother Nature is paranormal and supernatural. She is omnipotent, unknown, and used to explain the workings of the universe, just like God is. Mother Nature is a God.

I lol'd.

Supernatural (not in accordance with nature) = NATURE BITCHES!

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I disagree with your answer of "It just does."  A more appropriate reply would be "We don't know."

Of course you don't know. That's what makes it supernatural. If you don't know, whenever you talk about it you're invoking the supernatural and paranormal.

Mother Nature is the paranormal. Mother Nature is a God.

There is a difference between saying that you don't know why something happens and saying that a deity is responsible for it.

Mother Nature is a non-literal allegory.

But I still love Tom.

I lol'd.

Supernatural (not in accordance with nature) = NATURE BITCHES!

No one can doubt that nature has supernatural (unexplainable and phenomenal) qualities.

There is a difference between saying that you don't know why something happens and saying that a deity is responsible for it.

When an atheist says "I don't know, it's part of nature" it is no different than when a religious man says "I don't know, God did it."

Nature is used to explain the unknown workings of the universe just as God is. There really is no difference. Both are scapegoats used to explain the unknown.

Atheists are using the unknown and omnipotent to explain the universe. Hence; the atheist is using a God, whether he chooses to admit it or not.

Mother Nature is paranormal and supernatural. She is omnipotent, unknown, and used to explain the workings of the universe, just like God is. Mother Nature is a God.

Daniel is the administrator and president of FES.  He is omnipotent, unknown, and used to explain the workings of FES, just like Tom Bishop is.  Daniel is Tom Bishop.

When an atheist says "I don't know, it's part of nature" it is no different than when a religious man says "I don't know, God did it."

Nature is used to explain the unknown and phenomenal workings of the universe just as God is. There really is no difference.

Except that the atheist is not offering up "it's part of nature" as an explanation in and of itself.  To many theists, "God did it" is a substitute for a scientific explanation.

No one can doubt that Nature has supernatural (unexplainable) qualities.

I do. I doubt that nature has qualities that extend beyond itself.

Also, currently unexplained doesn't equate to unexplainable.

Except that the atheist is not offering up "it's part of nature" as an explanation in and of itself.

Yes they do. If you ask an atheist why matter causes space to bend, they will say that's just the way it is. It's part of nature for it to be that way. No further explanation is given.

To many theists, "God did it" is a substitute for a scientific explanation.

"Nature did it" or "It's part of the nature of the universe" is the atheist's form of "God did it".

Also, when an atheist admits "we don't know how nature works" it's no different than when a religious man admits "we don't know how God works" or "God works in mysterious ways".

Yes they do. If you ask an atheist why matter causes space to bend, they will say that's just the way it is. It's part of nature for it to be that way. No further explanation is given.

Wow, that's not an enormous generalization.

Yes they do. If you ask an atheist why matter causes space to bend, they will say that's just the way it is. It's part of nature for it to be that way. No further explanation is given.

If you had asked me, I would have said "I have no idea".
(Counter example given.)

Also, nature is not an explanation for existence; it is simply another term for reality. The natural world is the realm of existence, nothing more.
You are basically arguing that people say "reality did it".

I agree with Tom here. I would also use this argument to support my view that atheism is a religion.

If you had asked me, I would have said "I have no idea".
(Counter example given.)

You have no idea of what exactly - how the universe works? How nature works?

If you've answered yes to any of the above then you are implying that it is nature which does it; and hence your excuse leads us to "nature did it".

Indeed, when pressed, the atheist will resort to "nature did it" as a scapegoat pretty fast.

Sample conversation:

Q. What causes mass to bend space?

A. I have no idea.

Q. Well, why does mass bend space?

A. I don't know.

Q. It must be something.

A. I don't know. That's just the way it is.

Q. The way what is?

A. The way the nature of the universe is.

Oh, so "nature did it" then. Gotcha.

Also, nature is not an explanation for existence; it is simply another term for reality. The natural world is the realm of existence, nothing more.
You are basically arguing that people say "reality did it".

The phrases "Reality did it" and "Nature did it" are both discarding rational explanation for the supernatural. You are throwing your hands up and attributing the explanation for how things work to something unknown and supernatural. Hence, you are invoking a God.

Any time you try to explain something with the unknown and supernatural you are invoking a God.

Our ancestors at least had the willpower to call it like it is: "I don't know. God did it"

Indeed, when pressed the atheist will resort to "nature did it" as a scapegoat pretty fast.

On the contrary, nature is against Atheism.

Atheists believe in abiogenesis which has never been observed in nature and natural law argues against it.

Atheists believe in a fairytale that they were created by spontaneous generation.

Nothing ----> randomly *POOF* ----> Existance

  And this is precisely why only 1.9% of the worlds population is Atheist. Only the minority cranks are attracted to irrational beliefs & fairytales.

Fine, I'll accept 'Nature' being 'God' if you accept 'God' as being a worthless noun.

It's like pantheists who say 'God' is everything, therefore there isn't much use of the word 'god' is there?

God = supernatural
Nature = natural

I'm not quite getting the comparison. You can maybe use it in the vaguest of senses, but it's really difficult.

God is a supernatural being used to explain occurrences we don't understand.
Nature is the natural explanation for occurrences that we may or may not understand.